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Randle El's all over the news in the last day or so, revealing that he regrets playing football:

“If I could go back, I wouldn’t,” he said. “I would play baseball. I got drafted by the Cubs in the 14th round, but I didn’t play baseball because of my parents. They made me go to school. Don’t get me wrong, I love the game of football. But, right now, I could still be playing baseball.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/19/If-I-could-go-back-I-wouldn-t-play-football/stories/201601190177

Goodell no likely

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Yeah well Antwaan, if we could all go back in time we'd probably do some different things.

didn’t play baseball because of my parents. They made me go to school.

Sounds pretty tyrannical to me. Of course, he was over 18 so he could have done whatever he wanted to...

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Randle El's all over the news in the last day or so, revealing that he regrets playing football:

If I could go back, I wouldnt, he said. I would play baseball. I got drafted by the Cubs in the 14th round, but I didnt play baseball because of my parents. They made me go to school. Dont get me wrong, I love the game of football. But, right now, I could still be playing baseball.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2016/01/19/If-I-could-go-back-I-wouldn-t-play-football/stories/201601190177

Goodell no likely

Pretty damning criticism of the game of football.

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Suck it up. Anyone of us fans would trade places with him in a heartbeat

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Suck it up. Anyone of us fans would trade places with him in a heartbeat

Memory loss accompanied with your body breaking down? Ill pass. He sounds like hes 70 and only 36.

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Suck it up. Anyone of us fans would trade places with him in a heartbeat

Memory loss accompanied with your body breaking down? Ill pass. He sounds like hes 70 and only 36.

There wasn't a gun to his head.

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I think he's a good value in the 9th or later.

He's no Jeremy Kerley.

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Suck it up. Anyone of us fans would trade places with him in a heartbeat

Memory loss accompanied with your body breaking down? Ill pass. He sounds like hes 70 and only 36.

There wasn't a gun to his head.

Not sure what that has to do with my comment. Antwaan didn't have a gun to his head to play football? I thought freevicks comment was that anyone would switch lives with him because he played in the NFL but for me it isnt worth the struggles hes having afterwards.

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Many of us would go back and trade places with him for a chance to earn that amount of money. And unfortunately he played in a very unsafe era of the NFL. Receivers weren't protected as much, big hits were highlighted and encouraged, and concussed players were allowed to continue playing in games.

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Suck it up. Anyone of us fans would trade places with him in a heartbeat

This is why this stuff keeps happening. "He knew the risks," but football is awesome and everyone wants to do it, so we're all just gonna pretend like this doesn't exist and criticize anyone that dare try to warn future generations.

I don't know about anyone else, but I have no doubt admitting football probably shouldn't exist in its current form. It's awesome and I'm gonna continue to watch it, but I'm not playing it and probably would steer my kids towards something else.

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Many of us would go back and trade places with him for a chance to earn that amount of money. And unfortunately he played in a very unsafe era of the NFL. Receivers weren't protected as much, big hits were highlighted and encouraged, and concussed players were allowed to continue playing in games.

Many of us our idiots that have no issue making hypothetical statements that don't impact us in any way. He's 36 and can't walk down stairs. Think about that for a second.

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Many of us would go back and trade places with him for a chance to earn that amount of money. And unfortunately he played in a very unsafe era of the NFL. Receivers weren't protected as much, big hits were highlighted and encouraged, and concussed players were allowed to continue playing in games.

Many of us our idiots that have no issue making hypothetical statements that don't impact us in any way. He's 36 and can't walk down stairs. Think about that for a second.

Plenty of guys in the trades can't either but you know that going in right? Even you cube jockies know your wrists will be junk eventually. Lifetime of money over a short period of time doesn't come without its consequences.

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Many of us would go back and trade places with him for a chance to earn that amount of money. And unfortunately he played in a very unsafe era of the NFL. Receivers weren't protected as much, big hits were highlighted and encouraged, and concussed players were allowed to continue playing in games.

Many of us our idiots that have no issue making hypothetical statements that don't impact us in any way. He's 36 and can't walk down stairs. Think about that for a second.

Plenty of guys in the trades can't either but you know that going in right? Even you cube jockies know your wrists will be junk eventually. Lifetime of money over a short period of time doesn't come without its consequences.

Are you comparing brain damage to carpal tunnel? Keep the great insight coming.

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Many of us would go back and trade places with him for a chance to earn that amount of money. And unfortunately he played in a very unsafe era of the NFL. Receivers weren't protected as much, big hits were highlighted and encouraged, and concussed players were allowed to continue playing in games.

Many of us our idiots that have no issue making hypothetical statements that don't impact us in any way. He's 36 and can't walk down stairs. Think about that for a second.

Plenty of guys in the trades can't either but you know that going in right? Even you cube jockies know your wrists will be junk eventually. Lifetime of money over a short period of time doesn't come without its consequences.

If I were paid a few million dollars to type on this computer, for which I'd be idealized by millions of supporting fans, with the caveat that I'd be physically unable to perform my job by age 32, and that my hands are going to fall off my age 36, I'd find a new job. If no one told me that was a realistic risk, and instead I assumed I'd just have some arthritis in my wrists, I'd keep the job, and then when my hands fall off, I'd be pretty ******** pissed off.

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Many of us would go back and trade places with him for a chance to earn that amount of money. And unfortunately he played in a very unsafe era of the NFL. Receivers weren't protected as much, big hits were highlighted and encouraged, and concussed players were allowed to continue playing in games.

Many of us our idiots that have no issue making hypothetical statements that don't impact us in any way. He's 36 and can't walk down stairs. Think about that for a second.

I'm in no way attempting to diminish this. I've had concussions playing football. CTE worries me, because I love football, I think it teaches young men a lot of great things about working together as a group, accountability, strength, and resilience.

But at what cost?

Is this thing really worth it if it is causing these kinds of health risks?

IMO, it is, if the people committing themselves to it are aware of the risks.

Unlike Randle-El, I probably would go back and play again, even if I knew about the possibilities of CTE. Then again, I didn't play against professional athletes, and I can walk down stairs.

I don't know what this will mean for the future of the sport, now that the cat's out of the bag, so to speak. I guess we'll see.

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I can hardly wait for this whiny-*ss generation to age >>>> let's blame all that ails one in this life on someone else = fun.

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I can hardly wait for this whiny-*ss generation to age >>>> let's blame all that ails one in this life on someone else = fun.

Uhhh, the stuff that's happening to Randel El is a result of sustaining concussions while playing in the NFL. It's not just him being "whiny." This kind of mindset is why so many former players in the NFL are now potatoes.

"Suck it up and rub some dirt on it! Roar! Look how manly I am!"....whatever.

I can hardly wait for the "I used to walk to school in the snow uphill, both ways" generation to shut the hell up about how tough they are/were.

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I can hardly wait for this whiny-*ss generation to age >>>> let's blame all that ails one in this life on someone else = fun.

I don't know that this needs to be a generation gap thing. It's pretty much accepted medical science that head injuries caused from playing football result in elevated risks of getting CTE.

It's not like when Jonas Salk invented the polio vaccine the old timers went around and said, "darn kids always whining about their polio."

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I can hardly wait for this whiny-*ss generation to age >>>> let's blame all that ails one in this life on someone else = fun.

I don't know that this needs to be a generation gap thing. It's pretty much accepted medical science that head injuries caused from playing football result in elevated risks of getting CTE.

It's not like when Jonas Salk invented the polio vaccine the old timers went around and said, "darn kids always whining about their polio."

I kind of look at football and CTE when ARE was playing like cigarettes pre-1980 or so (minus the marketing to kids angle.

The public wasn't aware of the high risk of cancer from smoking years ago. The industry tried to bury the research as long as possible. Now the truth is out and everyone knows the harm that can be done and is aware of it.

When ARE started playing the risks of long-term serious brain trauma from playing weren't known. The NFL even tried to bury the research on it. Now, everybody is well aware of said risk.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep smoking, fine, but don't complain if you get lung cancer.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep playing football, fine, but don't complain if you get CTE.

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I can hardly wait for this whiny-*ss generation to age >>>> let's blame all that ails one in this life on someone else = fun.

LOL.... Showing your age, Psy

Would you agree that there was an attempt to stall the damning research on CTE? the cigarette reference made by 96 seems pretty spot on to me.

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I can hardly wait for this whiny-*ss generation to age >>>> let's blame all that ails one in this life on someone else = fun.

I don't know that this needs to be a generation gap thing. It's pretty much accepted medical science that head injuries caused from playing football result in elevated risks of getting CTE.

It's not like when Jonas Salk invented the polio vaccine the old timers went around and said, "darn kids always whining about their polio."

I kind of look at football and CTE when ARE was playing like cigarettes pre-1980 or so (minus the marketing to kids angle.

The public wasn't aware of the high risk of cancer from smoking years ago. The industry tried to bury the research as long as possible. Now the truth is out and everyone knows the harm that can be done and is aware of it.

When ARE started playing the risks of long-term serious brain trauma from playing weren't known. The NFL even tried to bury the research on it. Now, everybody is well aware of said risk.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep smoking, fine, but don't complain if you get lung cancer.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep playing football, fine, but don't complain if you get CTE.

I can hardly wait for this whiny-*ss generation to age >>>> let's blame all that ails one in this life on someone else = fun.

I don't know that this needs to be a generation gap thing. It's pretty much accepted medical science that head injuries caused from playing football result in elevated risks of getting CTE.

It's not like when Jonas Salk invented the polio vaccine the old timers went around and said, "darn kids always whining about their polio."

I kind of look at football and CTE when ARE was playing like cigarettes pre-1980 or so (minus the marketing to kids angle.

The public wasn't aware of the high risk of cancer from smoking years ago. The industry tried to bury the research as long as possible. Now the truth is out and everyone knows the harm that can be done and is aware of it.

When ARE started playing the risks of long-term serious brain trauma from playing weren't known. The NFL even tried to bury the research on it. Now, everybody is well aware of said risk.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep smoking, fine, but don't complain if you get lung cancer.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep playing football, fine, but don't complain if you get CTE.

Fair comparison.

Although I don't know the statistics well enough to say whether there is as strong a correlation between playing football and getting CTE as there is of smoking and getting heart disease or lung cancer, and I'd argue that there are better benefits to playing football than smoking.

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I kind of look at football and CTE when ARE was playing like cigarettes pre-1980 or so (minus the marketing to kids angle.

The public wasn't aware of the high risk of cancer from smoking years ago. The industry tried to bury the research as long as possible. Now the truth is out and everyone knows the harm that can be done and is aware of it.

When ARE started playing the risks of long-term serious brain trauma from playing weren't known. The NFL even tried to bury the research on it. Now, everybody is well aware of said risk.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep smoking, fine, but don't complain if you get lung cancer.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep playing football, fine, but don't complain if you get CTE.

Fair comparison.

Although I don't know the statistics well enough to say whether there is as strong a correlation between playing football and getting CTE as there is of smoking and getting heart disease or lung cancer, and I'd argue that there are better benefits to playing football than smoking.

The actuaries hired by the NFL cited a 28% risk of CTE.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/sports/football/actuarial-reports-in-nfl-concussion-deal-are-released.html?_r=0

That's nearly three times greater than the chance of getting lung cancer from smoking cigarettes (10%).

So based on what we know now, you're MUCH more likely to get CTE from playing in the NFL than you are to get lung cancer from smoking cigarettes.

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I kind of look at football and CTE when ARE was playing like cigarettes pre-1980 or so (minus the marketing to kids angle.

The public wasn't aware of the high risk of cancer from smoking years ago. The industry tried to bury the research as long as possible. Now the truth is out and everyone knows the harm that can be done and is aware of it.

When ARE started playing the risks of long-term serious brain trauma from playing weren't known. The NFL even tried to bury the research on it. Now, everybody is well aware of said risk.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep smoking, fine, but don't complain if you get lung cancer.

Knowing what everybody knows now, if you want to keep playing football, fine, but don't complain if you get CTE.

Fair comparison.

Although I don't know the statistics well enough to say whether there is as strong a correlation between playing football and getting CTE as there is of smoking and getting heart disease or lung cancer, and I'd argue that there are better benefits to playing football than smoking.

The actuaries hired by the NFL cited a 28% risk of CTE.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/sports/football/actuarial-reports-in-nfl-concussion-deal-are-released.html?_r=0

That's nearly three times greater than the chance of getting lung cancer from smoking cigarettes (10%).

So based on what we know now, you're MUCH more likely to get CTE from playing in the NFL than you are to get lung cancer from smoking cigarettes.

Well. That sucks.

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