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Brandin Cooks 2017 Season Outlook

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5 minutes ago, Blazer said:

Draft Cooks as a WR #3/4. Simple. No way he is going to produce WR 1/2 stats. Even if 40 YO Brady is all aces this year, there are way too many mouths to feed that he already knows and trusts. For FF, there are prolly 15 WRs that will likely provide more reliable WR production. To me, Cooks in NE is just another RB gamble in NE -- boom or bust, good luck figuring that out.

 

Why can't he produce WR2 stats? Why won't targets get funneled his way so he produces WR2 stats? 

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1 hour ago, Blazer said:

Draft Cooks as a WR #3/4. Simple. No way he is going to produce WR 1/2 stats. Even if 40 YO Brady is all aces this year, there are way too many mouths to feed that he already knows and trusts. For FF, there are prolly 15 WRs that will likely provide more reliable WR production. To me, Cooks in NE is just another RB gamble in NE -- boom or bust, good luck figuring that out.

So, in other words, he's a fairly high end WR2 (WR13-24). Or if you play in 10 team leagues, that's a mid WR2.  

 

If you play in 8 team leagues, that's fine.  I have and they're fun for different reasons.  But it does skew the perception from the majority of FF players.

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11 hours ago, smeeze said:

For those saying he's a huge candidate to be over-drafted: I have a hard time seeing even the casual fans reaching for him over the following guys: AB84, Julio, OBJ, Evans, AJG, Dez, TY and Jordy.  That would mean he's being drafted as the WR9 and considering he finished as the WR8 last year, seems about right.  It's entirely possible guys like Cooper, M. Thomas, Nuk, ARob and Keenan end up slotting ahead of him in terms of ADP so there could definitely be some value to be had here.

Keenan?  Are you kidding me?

M.Thomas I'd take over him without hesitation. 

Nuk is questionable until we see who's throwing him the rock.

I agree that Cooper, ARob are in the same ballpark.   

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Let's play compare the WR's.  

 

Standard (PPR) [spoiler tag for length]

 

 Player 1

26.3 (32.3)

6.8 (13.8)

1.3 (3.3)

3.1 (6.1)

23.3 (30.3)

11.8 (18.8)

10.4 (14.4)

6.6 (11.6)

15.8 (18.8)

4.2 (11.2)

0

7.3 (14.3)

6.1 (11.1)

30.6 (37.6)

9.8 (14.8)

 

Player 2

12.6 (16.6)

16.6 (21.6)

1.6 (2.6)

36 (48)

2.9 (4.9)

19.9 (26.9)

17.4 (26.4)

2.9 (5.9)

17.1 (25.1)

13.5 (23.5)

3.5 (7.5)

11.3 (18.3)

6.0 (10.0)

 

Player 3

15.9 (20.9)

13.0 (19.0)

19.2 (29.2)

5.9 (10.9)

14.9 (20.9)

21.6 (29.6)

5.0 (9.0)

27.0 (38.0)

6.6 (10.6)

10.5 (16.5)

22.4 (30.4)

3.8 (6.8)

4.2 (8.2)

5.9 (9.9)

15.7 (22.7)

 

My personal threshold for an awful game from a good WR is around 6 points in standard (what I play).  If you can't get 60 yards or a TD, I consider it a failed game.  Adjust as you feel necessary, but I've bolded my bad games from these guys.  Two of the players listed are unquestionable round 1 picks in standard, let alone PPR.  They have as many awful games as Cooks. 

 

 

 

 

Player 1: Cooks

Player 2: Julio

Player 3: Evans

 

 

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5 hours ago, Ffguy0087 said:

Cooks, Julio, Evans.

 

Is this a list sorted descending by latitude of the player's home field?

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16 minutes ago, Lord_Varys said:

 

Is this a list sorted descending by latitude of the player's home field?

It's the players I listed. I'm obviously not a huge cooks fan, but he didn't have that many awful games compared to other (better) fantasy receivers. He had a few more meh games, which is why he isn't being drafted in the top 10 overall.

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11 hours ago, psygolf said:

Nobody thought Alshon was as good as Marshall when he was a bear, except maybe his haters after the trade.

 

 

 alshon+bmarsh were always considered complementary  big targets that cutler would crush with. Didnt happen that way due to injuries and cutler not exploiting their talents  but on paper they were monsters to defend

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23 minutes ago, dashoe said:

 

 

 alshon+bmarsh were always considered complementary  big targets that cutler would crush with. Didnt happen that way due to injuries and cutler not exploiting their talents  but on paper they were monsters to defend

 

Cutler not taking advantage of Jeffrey, Marshall and Bennett is probably one of the most frustrating occurrences in football of the last 10 years. It basically turned Cutler into the Martin Shkreli of the NFL for me.

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15 hours ago, FreakFries said:

 

Cutler not taking advantage of Jeffrey, Marshall and Bennett is probably one of the most frustrating occurrences in football of the last 10 years. It basically turned Cutler into the Martin Shkreli of the NFL for me.

 

Especially when Josh McCown did...literally during the same season, yet they chose to give Cutler that contract. SMH.

 

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On 3/16/2017 at 11:38 PM, jbshaw said:

Let's play compare the WR's.  

 

Standard (PPR) [spoiler tag for length]

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 Player 1

26.3 (32.3)

6.8 (13.8)

1.3 (3.3)

3.1 (6.1)

23.3 (30.3)

11.8 (18.8)

10.4 (14.4)

6.6 (11.6)

15.8 (18.8)

4.2 (11.2)

0

7.3 (14.3)

6.1 (11.1)

30.6 (37.6)

9.8 (14.8)

 

Player 2

12.6 (16.6)

16.6 (21.6)

1.6 (2.6)

36 (48)

2.9 (4.9)

19.9 (26.9)

17.4 (26.4)

2.9 (5.9)

17.1 (25.1)

13.5 (23.5)

3.5 (7.5)

11.3 (18.3)

6.0 (10.0)

 

Player 3

15.9 (20.9)

13.0 (19.0)

19.2 (29.2)

5.9 (10.9)

14.9 (20.9)

21.6 (29.6)

5.0 (9.0)

27.0 (38.0)

6.6 (10.6)

10.5 (16.5)

22.4 (30.4)

3.8 (6.8)

4.2 (8.2)

5.9 (9.9)

15.7 (22.7)

 

My personal threshold for an awful game from a good WR is around 6 points in standard (what I play).  If you can't get 60 yards or a TD, I consider it a failed game.  Adjust as you feel necessary, but I've bolded my bad games from these guys.  Two of the players listed are unquestionable round 1 picks in standard, let alone PPR.  They have as many awful games as Cooks. 

 

 

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Player 1: Cooks

Player 2: Julio

Player 3: Evans

 

 

 

This is a pretty good argument against taking Julio over a top-tier RB -- so many of his points last year came in that one 300-yard game, and he burned everyone in the fantasy playoffs.  But it's not necessarily an argument for Cooks -- these numbers are exactly why it's better to choose higher-floor, consistent WRs rather than just looking at last year's point total.

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47 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

 

This is a pretty good argument against taking Julio over a top-tier RB -- so many of his points last year came in that one 300-yard game, and he burned everyone in the fantasy playoffs.  But it's not necessarily an argument for Cooks -- these numbers are exactly why it's better to choose higher-floor, consistent WRs rather than just looking at last year's point total.

Antonio Brown is the only one all that better than Evans or Julio in regards to consistency. Have fun never finding an appropriate wr if you're looking for every week consistency.

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1 hour ago, jbshaw said:

Antonio Brown is the only one all that better than Evans or Julio in regards to consistency. Have fun never finding an appropriate wr if you're looking for every week consistency.

TY was pretty consistent last season

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