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I started the season 2016 hot with him and couldnt move him in a trade as he steadily declined 2nd half of season.

Currently have no feel for his true value but his current ADP tells me many others are having a tough time evaluating him too.

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Needs a nice compliment. Great talent, but has had trouble staying healthy as well, while being the main target for the team. Defenses caught on quick. 

Theilens emergence will hopefully draw some attention, and wether its treadwell or maybe floyd which is being floated around, could only help more towards the case. A revamped run game would do wonders as well.

Health has been his biggest issue, as a past owner most of the games he came in questionable he has done bad. Probably not #1 material at the end of the day, but he fills it admirably when he is healthy.

If i can snag him somewhere around the 8th like last year i have no problem taking a chance on him compared to what else is around

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This:

Sam Bradford sets record for highest completion percentage in a season

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/1/14132630/sam-bradford-completion-percentage-record-vikings

 

Check down freaking Supreme Emperor of the whole entire GD Universe.  Enough said.

Injury plagued Rudolph is the safest bet?  Good luck with those darts.  I want players I can start.

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12 minutes ago, jmausen said:

This:

Sam Bradford sets record for highest completion percentage in a season

http://www.sbnation.com/2017/1/1/14132630/sam-bradford-completion-percentage-record-vikings

 

Check down freaking Supreme Emperor of the whole entire GD Universe.  Enough said.

Injury plagued Rudolph is the safest bet?  Good luck with those darts.  I want players I can start.

Lol you love going off one stat huh? One liner supreme emperor of the whole GD universe

Besides the fact that he had no oline and no time to let plays develop, which led to all those check downs. When he did had time, he threw it intermediately and deep on numerous occassions, with pretty good success. Just continuity and health on this oline will do wonders.

Stefon, theilen, and rudolph were all startable at times last year.

BTW rudolph has played all 16 games the past two seasons. Injury plauged is a stretch

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2 minutes ago, vikingapocalypse said:

Lol you love going off one stat huh? One liner supreme emperor of the whole GD universe

Besides the fact that he had no oline and no time to let plays develop, which led to all those check downs. When he did had time, he threw it intermediately and deep on numerous occassions, with pretty good success. Just continuity and health on this oline will do wonders.

Stefon, theilen, and rudolph were all startable at times last year.

 

Sam Bradford sucks.

He's always thrown short passes.

 

Deny it.

 

And if you quote me, you should put it in parenthesis and credit me.  LOL

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Just now, jmausen said:

 

Sam Bradford sucks.

He's always thrown short passes.

 

Deny it.

If you think what sam bradford did last year sucked,

with no run game,

developing receivers,

no oline,

coming in one week prior to the season starting

with no chemistry with any receivers or knowledge of terminology,

while taking a beating and delivering accurate throws all over,

i question your judgement on any take going forward.

He wasnt great, but what he did was admirable

 

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4 minutes ago, vikingapocalypse said:

If you think what sam bradford did last year sucked,

with no run game,

developing receivers,

no oline,

coming in one week prior to the season starting

with no chemistry with any receivers or knowledge of terminology,

while taking a beating and delivering accurate throws all over,

i question your judgement on any take going forward.

He wasnt great, but what he did was admirable

 

 

Pat Shurmur + Sam Bradford = LA Rams + PHI Eagles + Min Vikings = short passing offense.

 

All the other players on the team are the variables in this equation.  The OC and QB have been using the same offense together for the last 7 years.  

The receivers needed to learn the offense.

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18 minutes ago, jmausen said:

 

Sam Bradford sucks.

He's always thrown short passes.

 

Deny it.

 

And if you quote me, you should put it in parenthesis and credit me.  LOL

 

His yards per attempt was 7, which indicates he's not just a checkdown artist. 

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9 minutes ago, jmausen said:

 

Pat Shurmur + Sam Bradford = LA Rams + PHI Eagles + Min Vikings = short passing offense.

 

All the other players on the team are the variables in this equation.  The OC and QB have been using the same offense together for the last 7 years.  

The receivers needed to learn the offense.

Im not sure what that had to do with our debate, but i never said the passing game isnt short. But its not based around check downs. You actually kind of contradicted your point about bradford. I actually agree with that, and that the WR needed to learn, which hampered further progression. Bradfords season wasnt all on him.

Your a weird one mausen lol 

But theres also nothing wrong with that...the patriots technically run a short passing game. 

Still means diggs theilen and Rudolph will be startable at many times. 

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2 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

His yards per attempt was 7, which indicates he's not just a checkdown artist. 

 

7.02 YPA is better than who, exactly?

 

 

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 373 534 70 4,944 9.26 76 38 7 37 117 309
2 Tom Brady, QB NE 291 432 67 3,554 8.23 79 28 2 15 112 296
3 Kirk Cousins, QB WSH 406 606 67 4,917 8.11 80 25 12 23 97.2 307
4 Dak Prescott, QB DAL 311 459 68 3,667 7.99 83 23 4 25 105 229
5 Andrew Luck, QB IND 346 545 64 4,240 7.78 64 31 13 41 96.4 283
6 Drew Brees, QB NO 471 673 70 5,208 7.74 98 37 15 27 102 326
7 Russell Wilson, QB SEA 353 546 65 4,219 7.73 59 21 11 41 92.6 264
8 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 261 389 67 2,995 7.7 74 19 12 29 93.5 230
9 Marcus Mariota, QB TEN 276 451 61 3,426 7.6 60 26 9 23 95.6 228
10 Philip Rivers, QB LAC 349 578 60 4,386 7.59 59 33 21 36 87.9 274
11 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 328 509 64 3,819 7.5 72 29 13 17 95.4 273
12 Andy Dalton, QB CIN 364 563 65 4,206 7.47 86 18 8 41 91.8 263
13 Matthew Stafford, QB DET 388 594 65 4,327 7.29 73 24 10 37 93.3 270
14 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 401 610 66 4,428 7.26 66 40 7 35 104 277
15 Jameis Winston, QB TB 345 567 61 4,090 7.21 45 28 18 35 86.1 256
16 Alex Smith, QB KC 328 489 67 3,502 7.16 80 15 8 28 91.2 233
17 Carson Palmer, QB ARI 364 597 61 4,233 7.09 80 26 14 40 87.2 282
18 Derek Carr, QB OAK 357 560 64 3,937 7.03 75 28 6 16 96.7 262
19 Sam Bradford, QB MIN 395 552 72 3,877 7.02 71 20 5 37 99.3 258
20 Trevor Siemian, QB DEN 289 486 60 3,401 7 76 18 10 31 84.6 243
21 Tyrod Taylor, QB BUF 269 436 62 3,023 6.93 84 17 6 42 89.6 202
22 Cam Newton, QB CAR 270 510 53 3,509 6.88 88 19 14 36 75.8 234
23 Case Keenum, QB LAR 196 322 61 2,201 6.84 65 9 11 23 76.4 220
24 Colin Kaepernick, QB SF 196 331 59 2,241 6.77 65 16 4 36 90.7 187
25 Eli Manning, QB NYG 377 598 63 4,027 6.73 75 26 16 21 86 252
26 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB NYJ 228 403 57 2,710 6.73 57 12 17 19 69.6 194
27 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 436 672 65 4,317 6.42 95 20 15 33 83.5 270
28 Blake Bortles, QB JAX 368 625 59 3,905 6.25 51 23 16 34 78.8 244
29 Carson Wentz, QB PHI 379 607 62 3,782 6.23 73 16 14 33 79.3 236
30 Brock Osweiler, QB HOU 301 510 59 2,957 5.8 53 15 16 27 72.2 197

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5 minutes ago, vikingapocalypse said:

Im not sure what that had to do with our debate, but i never said the passing game isnt short. But its not based around check downs. You actually kind of contradicted your point about bradford. I actually agree with that, and that the WR needed to learn, which hampered further progression. Bradfords season wasnt all on him.

Your a weird one mausen lol 

But theres also nothing wrong with that...the patriots technically run a short passing game. 

Still means diggs theilen and Rudolph will be startable at many times. 

 

All things being equal, if you're evaluating the fantasy potential of his receivers, check that stats of all the players he was with each year in LA, PHI, and MIN.

My post above is an example of the short passing scheme.  He's near the bottom of the list every year.

TE and slot receiver catch short passes.  TE gets TDs.  

Slot guy is typically an average slot guy.  

"X" is a bust with an occasional hiccup.

 

Also, the biggest reason he has a 7.02 YPA is because he has a VERY HIGH completion rate.  The rest of the QBs on the list attempt  FAR MORE deep passes with a MUCH LOWER completion percentage.  AKA third and long, short of the first down.  That's what the opposing defense wants.  It keeps the clock running.

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19 minutes ago, jmausen said:

 

7.02 YPA is better than who, exactly?

 

 

RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Matt Ryan, QB ATL 373 534 70 4,944 9.26 76 38 7 37 117 309
2 Tom Brady, QB NE 291 432 67 3,554 8.23 79 28 2 15 112 296
3 Kirk Cousins, QB WSH 406 606 67 4,917 8.11 80 25 12 23 97.2 307
4 Dak Prescott, QB DAL 311 459 68 3,667 7.99 83 23 4 25 105 229
5 Andrew Luck, QB IND 346 545 64 4,240 7.78 64 31 13 41 96.4 283
6 Drew Brees, QB NO 471 673 70 5,208 7.74 98 37 15 27 102 326
7 Russell Wilson, QB SEA 353 546 65 4,219 7.73 59 21 11 41 92.6 264
8 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 261 389 67 2,995 7.7 74 19 12 29 93.5 230
9 Marcus Mariota, QB TEN 276 451 61 3,426 7.6 60 26 9 23 95.6 228
10 Philip Rivers, QB LAC 349 578 60 4,386 7.59 59 33 21 36 87.9 274
11 Ben Roethlisberger, QB PIT 328 509 64 3,819 7.5 72 29 13 17 95.4 273
12 Andy Dalton, QB CIN 364 563 65 4,206 7.47 86 18 8 41 91.8 263
13 Matthew Stafford, QB DET 388 594 65 4,327 7.29 73 24 10 37 93.3 270
14 Aaron Rodgers, QB GB 401 610 66 4,428 7.26 66 40 7 35 104 277
15 Jameis Winston, QB TB 345 567 61 4,090 7.21 45 28 18 35 86.1 256
16 Alex Smith, QB KC 328 489 67 3,502 7.16 80 15 8 28 91.2 233
17 Carson Palmer, QB ARI 364 597 61 4,233 7.09 80 26 14 40 87.2 282
18 Derek Carr, QB OAK 357 560 64 3,937 7.03 75 28 6 16 96.7 262
19 Sam Bradford, QB MIN 395 552 72 3,877 7.02 71 20 5 37 99.3 258
20 Trevor Siemian, QB DEN 289 486 60 3,401 7 76 18 10 31 84.6 243
21 Tyrod Taylor, QB BUF 269 436 62 3,023 6.93 84 17 6 42 89.6 202
22 Cam Newton, QB CAR 270 510 53 3,509 6.88 88 19 14 36 75.8 234
23 Case Keenum, QB LAR 196 322 61 2,201 6.84 65 9 11 23 76.4 220
24 Colin Kaepernick, QB SF 196 331 59 2,241 6.77 65 16 4 36 90.7 187
25 Eli Manning, QB NYG 377 598 63 4,027 6.73 75 26 16 21 86 252
26 Ryan Fitzpatrick, QB NYJ 228 403 57 2,710 6.73 57 12 17 19 69.6 194
27 Joe Flacco, QB BAL 436 672 65 4,317 6.42 95 20 15 33 83.5 270
28 Blake Bortles, QB JAX 368 625 59 3,905 6.25 51 23 16 34 78.8 244
29 Carson Wentz, QB PHI 379 607 62 3,782 6.23 73 16 14 33 79.3 236
30 Brock Osweiler, QB HOU 301 510 59 2,957 5.8 53 15 16 27 72.2 197

 

Better than Eli Manning, Cam Newton, and 0.01 point less than Derek Carr.

 

Wouldn't say any of those are known for check downs. Actually I heard Cam's check down stats over the past few seasons are laughably lower than everyone else.

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jmausen...

 

I just read something that says two of Bradford's best seasons were when Shurmur was his OC... That Viking offense, knowing Norv Turner, that was just all about AP when he was there. I think Turner would've done things much differently, a very QB-friendly coach. I have '10 draft material here (Sporting News & PFW), arm strength, but in particular, his placement was excellent, high football IQ. The guys they had to compete downfield, stuff that's contested, Diggs only has marginal size to play the wing. Also, he isn't Aaron Rodgers, defenses know where to find him, they don't have to pay much attention to him. They can work their man and rush to a spot, which doesn't make protecting him any easier.

 

Gotta love Bradford's mindset. When he was in Philly, they signed him to all that money, the impression they must have left him with... Can you imagine it, he's there watching the draft and contemplating the help they're going to get him and instead, he witnesses them pulling off a trade to move up... and take Carson Wentz!!! lol... He went ballistic & that's just what was reported for public consumption, can you imagine what must've been said inside the facility? OMG ..lol Just saying... Diggs' adp is way the he!! back there and according to fantasypros, has the 2nd easiest schedule among WRs.       

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Bradford made Jordan Matthews relevant. I think Diggs is a stronger receiver and has the ability, footwork and routes to run whatever they draw up. He also (in my opinion) has no character issues, has always been a student of the game and astute professional. In his interviews he actually is pretty well spoken. Last season's thread someone posted the different number of routes he ran and was drawing comparison to A.Brown. Think of the situation Bradford came into last year, he barely had time to learn the system and during the season it got changed on him.

 

Diggs also proved capable as a rookie under Bridgewater so you have that in your pocket if Bradford flops. I think why his production came off at the end of last season was a combination of a lower body injury, scheme and O line issues. Prior to the emergence of Thielen, Diggs was consistently receiving 8+ targets a game. I'll be honest I haven't done any research on their draft picks (Stacey Coley, Bucky Hodges, Rodney Adams). They did address their o-line with Centre and Guard (Pat Elfein and Danny Isidora). Diggs is someone I've followed closely in his rookie year. I am unsure though on his value with the emergence of Thielen, and their subsequent rookie picks. Floyd signing does not worry me, and Rudolph should still see a lot end zone targets.

 

TL DR; Diggs is a buy in my book.

 

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I feel like I'm the only one high on Diggs.  He was on pace for 103/1100/4 last year and that's without factoring in the fact that he was playing through injuries during the second half of the season.  I don't see why he shouldnt be at least in the same tier as Edelman and Landry.  Add in the fact that he's extremely talented, the Vikes offense should be better this year with an improved OL, it's his second year with Bradford, that it's only his third year in the league, and I think he has the upside to be a WR1.

 

I have him as my WR19 right now and in mock drafts I consistently see him going around WR30.

 

  

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10 minutes ago, Chwf3rd said:

I feel like I'm the only one high on Diggs.  He was on pace for 103/1100/4 last year and that's without factoring in the fact that he was playing through injuries during the second half of the season.  I don't see why he shouldnt be at least in the same tier as Edelman and Landry.  Add in the fact that he's extremely talented, the Vikes offense should be better this year with an improved OL, it's his second year with Bradford, that it's only his third year in the league, and I think he has the upside to be a WR1.

 

I have him as my WR19 right now and in mock drafts I consistently see him going around WR30.

 

  

 

You're not the only one.  We're just trying to keep it quiet.

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He was a lock in my starting lineup until he was injured. Another season with Bradford should yield good consistent fantasy points per game.

I don't care about EOS stats.

 

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune - Matt Vensel

Minnesota Vikings WR Stefon Diggs stated he was 'never the same' after sustaining a groin injury in Week 4 last season. 'Stuff like that is on me, staying healthy,' he admitted Wednesday, May 31.

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He was on pace for 100+ catches and 1,000+ yards. His first two games of the season (apparently before the groin injury), he averaged 8 catches and 142 yards; and caught 16 of 20 targets. The third year WR breakout thing doesn't always apply. But he's my guy to fulfill that proverbial designation in 2017.

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I sold him. Got him off the waiver wire a couple of years ago and was able to package him to get Mixon. The guy has talent obviously, but it appears he may be injury prone and even though he will be heavily targeted, what does that really mean in the Viking offense? In my main dynasty league he was a mid range last year. He's got a nice floor in ppr, but he will never be a big redzone threat, unlike Rudolph, Thielen and now Treadwell appears to be coming on. And you know that they will feed Treadwell in the read zone because of his size and draft status. Oh, almost forgot Dalvin Cook siphoning a few targets away from Diggs.

 

The 3rd year leap for WRs is a real thing, but I just see a lot of obstacles blocking the ascension of Diggs. Conservative offense. Not a big red zone threat. Possibly a smallish, fragile WR. I don't play a lot of redraft, but it's hard to see his stock rising in his current situation.

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14 minutes ago, NYR Fan 116894 said:

 

I own him and dynasty and love these numbers.....except for that td column. That's the one that I worry about most with Diggs.

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3 hours ago, wonderbread said:

I own him and dynasty and love these numbers.....except for that td column. That's the one that I worry about most with Diggs.

I traded him away in a couple dynasty leagues in packages deals to get Mixon. On one hand it still stings because he was one of those ww gems that I scooped up. On the other hand maybe he's bumping up against his ceiling in the current version of the Vikings' offense. 

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36 minutes ago, pikerbkb said:

I traded him away in a couple dynasty leagues in packages deals to get Mixon. On one hand it still stings because he was one of those ww gems that I scooped up. On the other hand maybe he's bumping up against his ceiling in the current version of the Vikings' offense. 

 

I don't think it's fair to say that's his ceiling, he's only going into his 3rd season  and should have lots of room to improve especially given how much he's been hampered by injuries.  Plus who knows where the Vikings offense will be, or where he will be in, in 5 years.  I actually really like the potential of the Vikings offense with Diggs and Cooks and I don't think it's unrealistic that Bradford could approach 4000/28 in the next few years.

 

Even if last year is his ceiling, that's a pretty nice ceiling to have in PPR.  He was on pace for 103/1111/4, which would have essentially made him Jarvis Landry.

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I feel that this should be a pretty good team this year with Bradford getting a full off-season in.  Nice DEF, solid RB's, o-line can only improve.  If Digg's stays healthy he'll be a great PPR guy.

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4 hours ago, Chwf3rd said:

 

I don't think it's fair to say that's his ceiling, he's only going into his 3rd season  and should have lots of room to improve especially given how much he's been hampered by injuries.  Plus who knows where the Vikings offense will be, or where he will be in, in 5 years.  I actually really like the potential of the Vikings offense with Diggs and Cooks and I don't think it's unrealistic that Bradford could approach 4000/28 in the next few years.

 

Even if last year is his ceiling, that's a pretty nice ceiling to have in PPR.  He was on pace for 103/1111/4, which would have essentially made him Jarvis Landry.

He's got a solid floor because of the receptions, but it really appears they envision him more suited as a slot machine. He'll likely never be a primary. red zone threat. Rudolph appears to be BFFs with Bradford and the main guy in the RZ. Thielen is going to get his share and now they are going to make it a point to get Treadwell involved due to his draft capital. And Cook.....Cook could get 30-40 receptions this year if he claims the starting job outright. A lot of mouths to feed suddenly.

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