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Frank Ntilikina 2017-2018 Thread

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1 minute ago, willkoo said:

Thoughts? Must own? 

Depends on how quick your league is at picking up ww players. 

Ntilikina's already been picked up and dropped multiple times this season in my league. 

I picked him up a couple games back to stash him, but I know he would've been picked up after this game if I didn't already have him. 

 

If your league is a little more lax, I'd say you could give him one or two more games to see how it goes.

I really only see this going one direction as the season goes along though. 

More minutes, more touches, and more general awesomeness from Ntilikina!

Could take awhile for it to reallllly get good though.

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Ya I really really like the kid. He’s very poise and mature for his age. Just figuring if I should drop teodosic for him haha. I love ntils steals n assists

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just waiting for the news for frank to start and jack to the bench. possibly will be vital for a playoff run

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3 minutes ago, brosephd said:

just waiting for the news for frank to start and jack to the bench. possibly will be vital for a playoff run

Frank isn't starting yet but he's been closing games past few games. And today he was out there late alongside Jack. Its basically already happening and who starts is really just semantics at this point. 

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Picked him up few games ago because without Bradley I was short on PG's. I've added him just for steals since I'm punting assists, but I think I'll hold him as long as I can, he is getting enough minutes, just needs to be more agressive and he'll have a nice value in no time. 

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On 11/22/2017 at 6:20 AM, GJDHouse said:

Rookie point guards struggle.  He is going to have really bad nights.  But he is a really intriguing player because of his defense.  I think he is starting after the new year, and providing very nice value.

 

Quoted for posterity. Give it another week or two and he will be in the starting lineup. Nice source of assists and steals. 

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I know the stats are pretty nice but the Knicks offense moves a little smoother with Jarrett Jack out there and as long as the Knicks are in playoff contention I think they'll continue to roll with Jack in the starting lineup (just an assumption from watching the games).

 

Frank is so close but mentally he's just not there to make plays right now. He'll often have lanes to the basket in the fast break or even in half court sets but will choose to pull it out instead of continuing his drive and being aggressive. He just doesn't have the confidence yet but all the tools are there. He'll be a fantasy stud in a year or two and seems to be poised to be a triple double threat when he reaches his prime.

 

For this year if you pick him up I would expect huge inconsistencies (like most rookies) but extra with him. I would keep an eye on the Knicks next 15 games many of which most are away and will determine  the Knicks ROS outlook. If they start to lose more adding Frank makes a lot of sense but I really think this team could sneak into the 8 seed when fully healthy.

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12 minutes ago, greatestmetfan said:

I would keep an eye on the Knicks next 15 games many of which most are away and will determine  the Knicks ROS outlook. If they start to lose more adding Frank makes a lot of sense but I really think this team could sneak into the 8 seed when fully healthy.

 

They're trash on the road (2-12) so I can see them falling out of the picture by end of January. Frankie Smokes should be in prime position to take over then.

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19 minutes ago, UniCornucopia said:

 

They're trash on the road (2-12) so I can see them falling out of the picture by end of January. Frankie Smokes should be in prime position to take over then.

To be honest, they need him to be better if they really want to make the playoffs anyways.

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15 minutes ago, rob0403 said:

To be honest, they need him to be better if they really want to make the playoffs anyways.

They actually need THJ to get back in the fold and that will give them so many more options with a defense/offense sub package around Thomas/Beasley/McDerm. Lee can go back to being the defensive wing specialist. THJ will relieve pressure on Porzingis. The entire offense will become more dynamic as opposed to having Lance Thomas on the floor. 

 

I picked up Frankie Smokes on December 10th and have been watching more of the Knicks games because I have been using him and I think his upside in steals and assists is really intriguing (and fixes my team build needs). This is what I have seen:

 

-Starting/off the bench: I don't know if he will start in the near future and I don't think it matters. He still struggles with foul trouble. This is a HUGE deal if you are a starter. A starting guard can't pick up 3 fouls in 6 minutes. They just can't. They can't pick up 2 fouls before their first stint of the 1Q without throwing rotations out of whack. It is also a struggle for a rookie to start, get fouls, sit, and then come back in and be aggressive but not too aggressive since they can't pick up a 3rd before half. Hornacek bring him in around the 8-9 minute mark in the first and he has the luxury to extend his minutes if he is going well, play him until he picks up 3 fouls and bring back Jack, or sit him if he is ineffective for Jack. This is the same in the second half/closing out games. He has been closing games because he has been playing much better. Rotations are being altered to accommodate him. The rotations will alter again when THJ is back in the mix. Starting/off the bench....it really doesn't matter. Either way he has the ability to play 30+ minutes if he plays well and deserves the minutes. 

 

Offense: He is far more demonstrative on the court. He will make a pass and then direct which side to swing it to (typically when there is a switch and KP is trying to post a wing). He just seems to have a command of the offense he is running. He is finding his shots more often and getting a better understanding of where they are coming from on the court.  I have noticed guards really pressuring him and he is starting to bypass that by getting them on his hip, using his length, and shooting jumpers with them behind him. He still hesitates on some shots, but for the most part he is way more confident about taking his shots in the flow of the offense. He will still dribble to much, but what rookie doesn't. He definitely isn't attacking/finishing in the paint, but that really isn't his game. His game is PNR and stepping into a jumper or feeding Kanter/OQuinn on the roll. He also does a lot of pick and pops with KP. Overall, he seems much more comfortable on offense, but I still want to see him evolve with the pressure defenders are putting on him as soon as he crosses half court. I really want to see him cut in the paint more aggressively without the ball. Just a random FYI, he took a couple shots way outside his comfort zone when the game was out of reach last night. He should have been 4 of 9 and instead he put up a line where people will question the FG%. He played really well yesterday. 

 

Defense: He gets a lot of hype on defense, but he takes some bad fouls. ie he took a foul to stop a transition when they had guys back and weren't outnumbered. He then picked up another foul a minute later and had to check out of the game. That stuff will come with experience. He really doesn't look to push it off a miss so I have seen him looking for defensive boards more. He has been close on a few blocks, I think that will come with experience as well. He really gets a lot of whistles and I think that comes with experience, although most of the time he committed a foul. 

 

Overall, he should improve. He should get double digit points with 30+ minutes as he gets more comfortable. The assist potential is legit. He is good in the PNR. % won't be great. Stocks should improve as he gets his aggressiveness balanced out. He isn't for everyone, but he could be great for the right team build. 

 

 

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18 minutes ago, thezing1 said:

They actually need THJ to get back in the fold and that will give them so many more options with a defense/offense sub package around Thomas/Beasley/McDerm. Lee can go back to being the defensive wing specialist. THJ will relieve pressure on Porzingis. The entire offense will become more dynamic as opposed to having Lance Thomas on the floor. 

 

I picked up Frankie Smokes on December 10th and have been watching more of the Knicks games because I have been using him and I think his upside in steals and assists is really intriguing (and fixes my team build needs). This is what I have seen:

 

-Starting/off the bench: I don't know if he will start in the near future and I don't think it matters. He still struggles with foul trouble. This is a HUGE deal if you are a starter. A starting guard can't pick up 3 fouls in 6 minutes. They just can't. They can't pick up 2 fouls before their first stint of the 1Q without throwing rotations out of whack. It is also a struggle for a rookie to start, get fouls, sit, and then come back in and be aggressive but not too aggressive since they can't pick up a 3rd before half. Hornacek bring him in around the 8-9 minute mark in the first and he has the luxury to extend his minutes if he is going well, play him until he picks up 3 fouls and bring back Jack, or sit him if he is ineffective for Jack. This is the same in the second half/closing out games. He has been closing games because he has been playing much better. Rotations are being altered to accommodate him. The rotations will alter again when THJ is back in the mix. Starting/off the bench....it really doesn't matter. Either way he has the ability to play 30+ minutes if he plays well and deserves the minutes. 

 

Offense: He is far more demonstrative on the court. He will make a pass and then direct which side to swing it to (typically when there is a switch and KP is trying to post a wing). He just seems to have a command of the offense he is running. He is finding his shots more often and getting a better understanding of where they are coming from on the court.  I have noticed guards really pressuring him and he is starting to bypass that by getting them on his hip, using his length, and shooting jumpers with them behind him. He still hesitates on some shots, but for the most part he is way more confident about taking his shots in the flow of the offense. He will still dribble to much, but what rookie doesn't. He definitely isn't attacking/finishing in the paint, but that really isn't his game. His game is PNR and stepping into a jumper or feeding Kanter/OQuinn on the roll. He also does a lot of pick and pops with KP. Overall, he seems much more comfortable on offense, but I still want to see him evolve with the pressure defenders are putting on him as soon as he crosses half court. I really want to see him cut in the paint more aggressively without the ball. Just a random FYI, he took a couple shots way outside his comfort zone when the game was out of reach last night. He should have been 4 of 9 and instead he put up a line where people will question the FG%. He played really well yesterday. 

 

Defense: He gets a lot of hype on defense, but he takes some bad fouls. ie he took a foul to stop a transition when they had guys back and weren't outnumbered. He then picked up another foul a minute later and had to check out of the game. That stuff will come with experience. He really doesn't look to push it off a miss so I have seen him looking for defensive boards more. He has been close on a few blocks, I think that will come with experience as well. He really gets a lot of whistles and I think that comes with experience, although most of the time he committed a foul. 

 

Overall, he should improve. He should get double digit points with 30+ minutes as he gets more comfortable. The assist potential is legit. He is good in the PNR. % won't be great. Stocks should improve as he gets his aggressiveness balanced out. He isn't for everyone, but he could be great for the right team build. 

 

 

Nice analysis. I want to add that the foul trouble goes hand to hand with his steals as well. I see this a lot in rookies who rack up the fouls by trying to steal/block a player. As they mature their fouls go down but so do their stocks (Whiteside for example)

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Here's the article the poster was talking about: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ntilikina-earns-minutes-won-start-knicks-article-1.3727883?utm_content=bufferfcf24&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+

 

This is all directionally good. Whether Frenchise starts this week or next is irrelevant, as long as he gets above 30 minutes. There are some advantages to his not starting, tbh.

 

I agree with the analysis from thezing above. The only thing I would add is that he still hasn't erased the scared rookie look in his eyes completely. If you compare to Mitchell or other killers you can see it in their eyes. This is not rigid analysis, I will grant you. But I see it nonetheless. He cannot run a smooth offense until he gets the consistent killer mentality, which begins with the look in his eyes every time he gets on the court. We have to remember he is 19 years old.

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37 minutes ago, hornrimmed_rambis said:

Here's the article the poster was talking about: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ntilikina-earns-minutes-won-start-knicks-article-1.3727883?utm_content=bufferfcf24&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+

 

This is all directionally good. Whether Frenchise starts this week or next is irrelevant, as long as he gets above 30 minutes. There are some advantages to his not starting, tbh.

 

I agree with the analysis from thezing above. The only thing I would add is that he still hasn't erased the scared rookie look in his eyes completely. If you compare to Mitchell or other killers you can see it in their eyes. This is not rigid analysis, I will grant you. But I see it nonetheless. He cannot run a smooth offense until he gets the consistent killer mentality, which begins with the look in his eyes every time he gets on the court. We have to remember he is 19 years old.

I know exactly what you are saying and I completely agree with everything you said (including the advantages to not starting)

I haven't seen the killer look consistently on defense or offense lately to be honest. He almost seems like he is trying to process things while on the court instead of just playing. Anyway, he has definitely made improvements with his mentality on offense, but he isn't a killer yet. But he has made some big strides. I don't know if we will see that this year. There will be spurts of it when he has his jumper falling, but there are way too many passive possessions on offense to be considered a killer (even by rookie standards). 

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1 hour ago, hornrimmed_rambis said:

Here's the article the poster was talking about: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ntilikina-earns-minutes-won-start-knicks-article-1.3727883?utm_content=bufferfcf24&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+

 

This is all directionally good. Whether Frenchise starts this week or next is irrelevant, as long as he gets above 30 minutes. There are some advantages to his not starting, tbh.

 

I agree with the analysis from thezing above. The only thing I would add is that he still hasn't erased the scared rookie look in his eyes completely. If you compare to Mitchell or other killers you can see it in their eyes. This is not rigid analysis, I will grant you. But I see it nonetheless. He cannot run a smooth offense until he gets the consistent killer mentality, which begins with the look in his eyes every time he gets on the court. We have to remember he is 19 years old.

 

the last time i saw "that look" in someone's eyes, he ended up in court in denver ;D ;D

 

no, but seriously tho, I'm from NY and a die hard knicks fan. Frankie just seems so poise. He isn't like a crazy muscle race car that westbrook is. he's more like a george hill / chauncey billups kinda guy with much higher potential. Except... chauncey had a real nice J. :D

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The time to get him is now. For me, it already past. I've been stashing him for a little bit (Biased Knicks fan). However, he's really starting to show some poise and he's really gaining confidence in himself, as well as garnishing confidence from his team. Passes the eye test, and the #s don't lie. He's been proven to be able to rack up assists & steals in 20 minutes or less, his productivity ROS is definitely going way up. Will be starting within 2 weeks at most is my guess, perhaps sooner. 

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Can Jarrett jack break a leg or something... Is that too mean to wish? Lol. 

Stop demanding to bring the ball up and let ntilikina do it. 

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Just now, DavidbivaD said:

Can Jarrett jack break a leg or something... Is that too mean to wish? Lol. 

Stop demanding to bring the ball up and let ntilikina do it. 

 

He had ACL surgery a couple years ago so yes. Also, I have him :P

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The kid looks alot me aggressive than what he looked like at the beginning of the season. He easily blows by opponents now. Dropped Ellington to see where this goes. His minutes are really trending up too.

 

His biggest obstacle is Hornecek, not Jarrett Jack.

 

 

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Horancek is doing an amazing job with Dilikina, on how to ease him in to the NBA. He makes the transition as smooth as can be.

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Count me in on the Hornacek bandwagon as well. He is handling Le Fem Ntilikina perfectly. He is giving him a lot of minutes, And giving him a lot of clutch minutes to learn and grow from. At the same time he isnt putting too much pressure on the young kid. Jeff is doing a masterful job. 

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Put me on that Hornacek list as well. No one really knew what he was because of Phil's influence. He seems like a coach a lot of players would be down to play for and that matters a lot for developing that roster in the future. I have zero issues with him. Even though I am a Kanter owner and want him to get more minutes, he is usual right with his rotations. The dude has Michael Beasley passing, playing mostly within reason, and playing pretty good basketball (not even by Beasley standards).  He is patient, but still makes you earn minutes. I really hate how coach of the year by default goes to winning teams (that have stacked rosters). Taking this Knicks roster, with all of the injuries they have suffered, and hovering around .500 is an amazing accomplishment. 

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