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What a shameful "baseball" organization.

 

The Marlins’ Giancarlo Stanton Trade Is a Baseball Disgrace

 

Obviously, the Stanton contract put the owners in a tough spot, but they could have gotten legit prospects if they'd been willing to eat more of his salary.   Or the investors could have, you know, invested in a team that was near the top 10 in offense by adding an arm or two in free agency.  Instead, they're happy to just loot off of the taxpayers to put a product on the field that nobody will want to see for many years.

 

I understand why the Astros and Cubs tanked -- they were at rock bottom.  But the Marlins team already had the young core that you get after three years of tanking.  Yeah, they were going to have to spend, but what if you tank for three years and don't get lucky enough to get a Altuve/Correa/Springer or Bryant/Rizzo/Contreras convergence of talent?  Just a baffling set of moves that make Loria look like George Steinbrenner by comparison.


Fantasy-wise: tough times who owns any of the players they don't sell off.  Ozuna, Realmuto, Bour...  All distressed assets now to say the least.  As bad as what the Marlins owners are doing is for real baseball, fantasy owners of those guys are probably hoping they go full 76ers and sell off anything that's not nailed down.

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Read this somewhere and didn't link it but another of the reasons for the selloff is Jeter is paying himself 5m a year to recoup his investment faster. Really sad if true as it has zip to do with baseball, just pure greed.

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As a Yankee fan I'm excited to have Stanton. But as a baseball fan its quite frankly a pretty lame ending to the saga. Parity is always ideal for a competitive and compelling league -of course Stanton doesn't guarantee anything but it certainly makes an already stacked team better. Its a shame that Stanton couldn't stay in Miami. I feel bad for Marlins fans (if there are any left at this point) to lose Fernandez tragically and now Stanton. Of course the two are totally different circumstances but regardless its just unfortunate for Miami fans. So Loria does an unbelievably woeful job as owner leaving the next group really no choice but to blow it up and start over. In comes Captain Jeter who decides he's sufficiently bored in retirement that he wants to try his hand at being an executive. And in an ironic twist of fate he ends up indirectly helping his old club-although  between the NTC and money the Yankees were inevitable. Just a sad outcome for Miami. Hopefully they get a new group of talented players going soon and something good can come out of this. 

 

41 minutes ago, Low and Away said:

Read this somewhere and didn't link it but another of the reasons for the selloff is Jeter is paying himself 5m a year to recoup his investment faster. Really sad if true as it has zip to do with baseball, just pure greed.

Wow I did not see this but if its true- what a disgrace. 

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The Marlins are a joke of an organization this is like their 5th firesale in 20 years. No wonder only 500 people go to their home games. Pathetic team 

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10 hours ago, elrey said:

The Marlins are a joke of an organization this is like their 5th firesale in 20 years. No wonder only 500 people go to their home games. Pathetic team 

20th in 20 years

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The sad part is that these teams (and the Pads have been in this boat) have very little margin for error.  The reality is that Giancarlo Stanton and Dee Gordon's contract IMO were not that bad, especially if you see guys like Machado and Harper getting $35+ million when they turn FA, the reality is I could see that happening and if it does, Stanton probably opts out.  The bad contracts are guys like Prado and Chen, combined next year these two, whose production could likely be matched by veteran minimum guys, will cost the Marlins nearly what Stanton cost them and in 2019?  The Marlins will be on the hook for a combined $35 Million for these 2.  This is what just kills teams like the Marlins, they are financially stuck and in order to solve the problem, they sell off their best players.  

 

They should of fired Mattingly or done him a favor and let him go, then I think they probably could of worked a Puig for Stanton based deal...

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Maybe monetary wise the contract was not so bad (imo it was) but putting an opt-out clause and a NTC made it an extremely dumb one. Even if the club hadn't been sold eventually the Marlins would have had a 38 year old injury prone RF making 25+m. Not a sound business decision.

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They are going to have a hell of a time convincing any worthwhile free agents to sign with them in the future.

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the Marlins are unlikely to be contenders any time in the near future and would be better off to have a complete fire sale and trade away anyone that can bring them back some quality prospects.

 

sad to think back at what might have been had Jose Fernandez not died. he was their legit ace. the Marlins could have been contenders in 2017 and now looking to add pieces.

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59 minutes ago, SpecialFNK said:

the Marlins are unlikely to be contenders any time in the near future and would be better off to have a complete fire sale and trade away anyone that can bring them back some quality prospects.

 

sad to think back at what might have been had Jose Fernandez not died. he was their legit ace. the Marlins could have been contenders in 2017 and now looking to add pieces.

I hear you, but even without JoFer, they could have went after someone else...

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3 hours ago, DidiFan said:

http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2017/12/20/derek-jeter-held-a-marlins-town-hall-it-didnt-go-well/

Not a great start for El Capitan. The whole thing just seems incredibly awkward. Being paid 5 million salary so you have to figure he has more than enough $$ to afford a gift basket for every fan that attends a game. 

 

Thanks.  That was one FUNNY article.  Marlins fans were never in love with a Yankee captain to start with.  His "beloved" status doesn't transfer outside of NY and their fan base any more than any other ball player's would outside their home town fans. 

 

To think that he thought he could waltz into a "town hall" full of Marlin season ticket holders (didn't know there were any) and talk about how great he has been so far by getting back money for Stanton didn't exactly go over well.   Boy did he bomb.

 

Some of the comments after the article were funny too.

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This is the 4th Marlins fire sale.  They pushed for a new stadium with taxpayer money and promised to have a competitive team.  No more fire sales!  Not really the start the new owners needed.  Manfred on Levitard yesterday was a joke.  He back pedaled, bumbled through, and had no answer for simple questions.  So far he's made an example out of the Braves and sold the Marlins to a shortstop and claim to have little knowledge of financials.  Marlins situation has been a train wreck and they may never get the few fans they had back.  

 

 

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11 hours ago, Bravesfan155 said:

MLB is giving every team a one time payout of $50 million for some deal with a company called BAMTech, the Marlins have a deal in place with Fox for $68 million, Jeter slashed payroll by $36 million... so the team is lined up to make a big profit in 2018. The Fox deal could fall through, meaning they miss out on the $44.8 million Fox was going to give them upfront, and it doesn't seem likely now. If they miss out on that money then their profit drops to something like $23 million.

 

Jeter is a loser and called his plan for the team the Wolverine Project. Here's how the paper outlines it:

1. Spike in attendance in 2018 (yeah right, not after he traded away the reason to see the team) - it lists increase in attendance revenue like this: 2018 $37.5m, 2019 $40.6m, 2020 $45.8m - is this Jeter guy on drugs?

2. They think the corporate sponsorship revenue will go from $24 million to $41.6 million by 2021... how?

3. Fox Sports Florida's media deal doesn't expire until after the 2020 season, and pays the lowest in all of baseball.

4. Jeter somehow thinks the next deal with pay $53.6 million in 2022... wtf?

 

 

TL;DR

Jeter thinks the Miami Marlins can turn a profit in 2018 and beyond, even after trading away 3 top players (arguably the only reasons to see the team play), bumping ticket prices, and holding a town hall where he argued with his customers.

 

If you look at Forbes 2017 valuation, the team had a revenue of -2.2 million dollars. Jeter is an absolute piece of trash, and so is the MLB commish for letting this clown into the kingdom.

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To that list of why Jeets is an idiot, I'd add:

 

5.  The $50 mil payout is a one-time windfall from MLB's massive return on investment from their MLB Advanced Media unit.  Counting that on the balance sheet might make the 2018 numbers look palatable, but when it goes away next year, they have to plug a $50 million hole in their budget.  It's slash-and-burn private equity accounting, designed to make things look pretty before you cash out and leave behind the smoldering ruins of a profitable business.

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10 hours ago, tonycpsu said:

To that list of why Jeets is an idiot, I'd add:

 

5.  The $50 mil payout is a one-time windfall from MLB's massive return on investment from their MLB Advanced Media unit.  Counting that on the balance sheet might make the 2018 numbers look palatable, but when it goes away next year, they have to plug a $50 million hole in their budget.  It's slash-and-burn private equity accounting, designed to make things look pretty before you cash out and leave behind the smoldering ruins of a profitable business.

Murica!

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But, but, Jeter is making major, earth shaking moves right and right.  The Marlin fans should be worshiping at his feet after this one.

 

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Marlins re-signed RHP Javy Guerra to a minor league contract with an invitation to spring training.

 

The 32-year-old appeared in 16 games with the Marlins in 2017, posting a 3.00 ERA, 1.43 WHIP and 12/7 K/BB ratio in 21 innings of work. He has a decent chance of cracking the club's Opening Day bullpen with a strong showing in the spring.

 

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