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Jeff Samardzija 2018 Outlook

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2017 was another solid, if unspectacular season from The Shark.  SP32 according to the ESPN player rater in 2017 after being SP38 in 2016, with a "meh" 4.42 ERA despite a cool 1.14 WHIP.  Owners like myself were probably waiting all season for his ERA to trend closer to his ~3.6 FIP/xFIP, but that never materialized.  Still, SP32 was a nice return for a guy who went at 165 (42nd SP) in drafts.

 

He's not an elite strikeout pitcher, but he added a little more swing and miss to his game last year with an 8.88 K/9.  That might come down, or maybe it's his new normal in an era when hitters are swinging for the downs and not afraid of high K-rates if some balls leave the yard.  Either way, I see him as a strong buy for 2018.

 

Here is a chart I made of the ADP tiers from the 2-early industry mocks, where Shark is going 158th overall:

 

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The names in the 6th SP tier there are a whole lot of of upside plays (McCullers, Castillo, Bauer, Bundy).  I don't blame anyone for wanting those guys as their SP3/4 instead of a boring low floor guy like Samardzija, but I think there's a *lot* of room for profit.  I'd certainly take Shark over anyone else in that tier except McCullers, Cstillo, and maybe Bauer, and I think I like him a lot more than guys in the next tier like Jon Gray, Price, and Hendricks.

 

Here's another chart, this one showing ADP compared to the weighted sum of their ESPN player rater rankings from 2016 and 2017,  with 2017 weighted double as compared to 2016:

 

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Guys toward the upper right of the graph are "undervalued" if you believe in their 2016 and 2017 production, while guys toward the bottom left are being overdrafted based on what they gave you the last two years.  Samardzija shows up in the reddish-orange group above the line, near guys like Iglesias (not directly comparable because he was an RP), Pomeranz, Maeda, Tanaka, Roark, and Chase Anderson (the unlabeled point near Roark.)  None of those guys are winning leagues for you, and neither is Samardzija, but if you went with upside gambles in your early SP picks, or if you passed on SP entirely in the early rounds and want a high floor, Shark seems like a great target.

 

Especially with all the talk of teams benching their starters after a couple of times through the order, a guy who goes out there and gives you 200+ quality innings with a plus WHIP and makes meaningful K contributions is going to be huge in 2018.  The team isn't going to win a lot, but he's going to have a lot more chances to get wins than a lot of guys ahead of him in the rankings who will be getting yanked after 5 innings.  Innings matter, people!

 

I expect to be taking Samardzija at least a round or two earlier than he was going in industry drafts, and I think he deserves consideration as a top 30 SP for teams that took risks elsewhere.

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He's a solid SP3 in 12 team leagues. He'll likely be drafted in the 9th round in a lot of leagues. 

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On 1/8/2018 at 7:18 AM, Fuzzy_Slippers said:

He's a solid SP3 in 12 team leagues. He'll likely be drafted in the 9th round in a lot of leagues. 

Would feel more comfy in the P4-5 range, but more of the safer variety, the grab the ball every 5 days, go out and put up your avg 3.85ERA with a 1.20WHIP.  His walks were amazingly low which allowed him to lower his WHIP at a time when most pitchers WHIPS were skyrocketing.  Obviously good pitchers park.  

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I copied your tier chart! Thanks. 

As far as shark, he's fine for in Roto as like an SP4, but he's too volatile in h2h for my blood.

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Shark/Marge/Szxmamejbxwiz, is a guy that found his way on and off my roster last year. Yet I find myself (in?)expicibly drawn to him this year. 

His era was blah last year, but his FIP was good (4.42 vs. 3.62). He should be one of the few pitchers that reaches 200 IP. His WHIP 1.20 or slight less. 8k/9...kinda meh these days, but the IP would offset that. 

 

Yet I always think of his as totally  unpredictable. He could go to Coors and pitch a shutout, then go home and get blowed up by the Padres. 

 

I play h2h so I would have to set him and forget him. 

 

Despite all of this, he keeps moving up my draft charts. 

 

If he seriously went 3.60/1.20/180 K/14 W (or say 20 QS)...he would be a steal. 

 

How do you guys feel? 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, 2ndCitySox said:

Shark/Marge/Szxmamejbxwiz, is a guy that found his way on and off my roster last year. Yet I find myself (in?)expicibly drawn to him this year. 

His era was blah last year, but his FIP was good (4.42 vs. 3.62). He should be one of the few pitchers that reaches 200 IP. His WHIP 1.20 or slight less. 8k/9...kinda meh these days, but the IP would offset that. 

 

Yet I always think of his as totally  unpredictable. He could go to Coors and pitch a shutout, then go home and get blowed up by the Padres. 

 

I play h2h so I would have to set him and forget him. 

 

Despite all of this, he keeps moving up my draft charts. 

 

If he seriously went 3.60/1.20/180 K/14 W (or say 20 QS)...he would be a steal. 

 

How do you guys feel? 

 

 

i've drafted him everywhere 

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Meh, never been a fan.  career ERA 4.10 and WHIP 1.245

 

1 winnng season in the last 6 years and that was a 12-11 record

 

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4 hours ago, jb_power said:

Meh, never been a fan.  career ERA 4.10 and WHIP 1.245

 

1 winnng season in the last 6 years and that was a 12-11 record

 

everyone has a 4.10 ERA nowadays lol unless you're an elite pitcher

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Really getting throttled this spring. Anyone know if he is just working on some new pitches or something?

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24 minutes ago, malta69 said:

Really getting throttled this spring. Anyone know if he is just working on some new pitches or something?

Bochy and he said he is establishing his fastball which means that hes throwing it a lot. And that the changeup needs to get better

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On 3/17/2018 at 10:24 AM, wxmilkman said:

Bochy and he said he is establishing his fastball which means that hes throwing it a lot. And that the changeup needs to get better

Samardzjia himself has said he's working on the offspeed stuff. “All camp, I’ve just been trying to hammer home working on the off-speed stuff,” he said, “any situation, regardless of the result. When the game comes I’d probably be throwing fastball.”

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2 hours ago, daethfromabove1979 said:

I love Samardzija in points leagues because he is a horse, hard to trust in rotisserie or head to head categories though. 

 

Not this year (maybe). MRI on shoulder 😳

 

 

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6 minutes ago, bbythepier said:

 

Not this year (maybe). MRI on shoulder 😳

 

 

Definitely not what I needed. 

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Was so nervous about drafting but determined to trust the feeling. This makes that decision easier!

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Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Maybe a nice buy opportunity for people drafting in the next week?

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News like this is why I hate those slow couch manager drafts or just about any league who has a draft early  .....(Justin Turner owners how do you feel?)

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8 hours ago, 33legend said:

Maybe a nice buy opportunity for people drafting in the next week?

 

Sure, you could say that. But he was already going at a decent price (132 in NFBC). But yeah, he'll probably be very cheap now.

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9 hours ago, Fuzzy_Slippers said:

http://abc7news.com/sports/giants-jeff-samardzija-(shoulder)-likely-headed-to-disabled-list/3249021/

 

Pectoral strain. Going to rest for 10 days before throwing. I'm just glad he didn't tear anything.

To be fair, a strain is a tear. But yeah, I'm with you. This is good news and shouldn't be a concern. 

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