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Odell Beckham Jr. 2018 Outlook

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As a Giant fan, I say trade him. We wont get pennies on the dollar, teams will pay for him once there is no suspension. We are rebuilding anyway and his BS will only get worse.

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Is he trying to force a trade at this point?   Seems like the oddest of timing for this.    

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25 minutes ago, BrianM said:

Is he trying to force a trade at this point?   Seems like the oddest of timing for this.    

Giants “OBJ, you need to grow up and stop doing stupid sh**”

OBJ “She wasn’t stupid, she was on coke”

 

OBJ “I want to be paid the most in the league”

Giants “You haven’t played out your contact yet”

OBJ “Wanna! Wanna! Wanna!”

Giants “Anyone know a preschool teacher that can translate? My head hurts...”

 

Giants “Is there anyone stupid enough to trade this guy to?”

 

Giants “The Cowboys are paying Dez 16.5 million...”

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The old average Joe vs pro athlete hold out dynamic ...

 

Honestly, the NFL is the only league I actually consider siding with the players. Why? The contracts they get are barely worth the paper they sign them on ... these guys play the most dangerous pro sport and all that’s guaranteed is the big fat signing bonus 

 

Considering what happened last year ... and the fact your career could be over in a split second, I get why players hold out. Baseball players get the full amount even if they miss games with a hang nail - NFL players essentially put their long term health on the line in order to get that second contract (the big bonus)

 

He’ll whine, report to camp after a few fines, and earn a new deal. 

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I used to make a lot of excuses for this guy, but not anymore. His little bratty, entitled attitude is getting old. Yeah, he's good and the Giants are a better team with him on the field, but his BS is on overload. 

 

Grow the **** up, kid. 

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43 minutes ago, BrianM said:

Is he trying to force a trade at this point?   Seems like the oddest of timing for this.    

 

Not really -- the Giants are moving into full-on rebuilding mode, Eli is on his last legs, they may or may not take a QB in the first round, and even if they do there's a good chance they wind up with a Ryan Leaf.  OBJ is entering his prime, but it's possible the Giants won't be competitive for many years.  If he wants a ring soon, getting out now may be his best chance.  Plenty of teams will be more than willing to give up multiple early-round picks and then immediately give him the payday he deserves.  Also working in OBJ's favor is the fact that this is considered a weak WR draft class and there weren't great options at the position in FA either.

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21 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

 

Not really -- the Giants are moving into full-on rebuilding mode, Eli is on his last legs, they may or may not take a QB in the first round, and even if they do there's a good chance they wind up with a Ryan Leaf.  OBJ is entering his prime, but it's possible the Giants won't be competitive for many years.  If he wants a ring soon, getting out now may be his best chance.  Plenty of teams will be more than willing to give up multiple early-round picks and then immediately give him the payday he deserves.  Also working in OBJ's favor is the fact that this is considered a weak WR draft class and there weren't great options at the position in FA either.

 

 

in all honesty a trade to the right team helps OBJ and the giants if they are in rebuild mode. OBJ understands his legacy is tied to having a good QB so if Eli is retiring soon and Webb is not the answer it won't help his playing legacy to go through the transition to sort out the next franchise QB problem

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22 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

 

Not really -- the Giants are moving into full-on rebuilding mode, Eli is on his last legs, they may or may not take a QB in the first round, and even if they do there's a good chance they wind up with a Ryan Leaf.  OBJ is entering his prime, but it's possible the Giants won't be competitive for many years.  If he wants a ring soon, getting out now may be his best chance.  Plenty of teams will be more than willing to give up multiple early-round picks and then immediately give him the payday he deserves.  Also working in OBJ's favor is the fact that this is considered a weak WR draft class and there weren't great options at the position in FA either.

 

1. No, they aren’t. You don’t sign Solder and trade for a Ogletree if you are in “full rebuild mode”. 

 

2. This team was 11-5 not too long ago. There’s elite talent on both sides of the ball. 

 

3. Ryan Leaf? Why? Just because?

 

aside from everything you just said, great points. 

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1 hour ago, Mr.Joshua said:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports contract-year WR Odell Beckham "will not set foot on a field without a new contract."

Beckham is scheduled to make $8.459 million on the fifth and final year of his rookie deal. Following a season ruined by injury, the receiver understandably wants more security, but it is unclear if the Giants are willing to offer it. On Sunday, owner John Mara refused to rule out trading Beckham while saying he is "tired of answering questions" about the receivers' off-field behavior. While it would be a terrible move for the Giants, a Beckham trade cannot be ruled out at this point.
 
 

 

 

Finally the blurbs have caught up to what I have been hinting at for multiple posts. . .blockbuster trade time! :lol:

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10 hours ago, jonnyjhead said:

Sorry but Odell is the freak athlete Antonio wishes he could be. Antonio's game log without Big Ben has been pretty sub par if you ask me

 

That's because Big Ben's replacements are horrific. Eli on a bad day is infinitely better than Landry Jones and 35 year old Vick. 

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19 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

 

Not really -- the Giants are moving into full-on rebuilding mode, Eli is on his last legs, they may or may not take a QB in the first round, and even if they do there's a good chance they wind up with a Ryan Leaf.  OBJ is entering his prime, but it's possible the Giants won't be competitive for many years.  If he wants a ring soon, getting out now may be his best chance.  Plenty of teams will be more than willing to give up multiple early-round picks and then immediately give him the payday he deserves.  Also working in OBJ's favor is the fact that this is considered a weak WR draft class and there weren't great options at the position in FA either.

When OBJ was on the field he’s good, but he came into this league injured.  

 

2015 was his best year.  He wasn’t as good in 2016. He missed most of 2017.

 

Now in 2018 he’s coming back from a significant injury...

 

The Giants would be fools to sign him to a huge extension without seeing him play out the final year of his rookie contract.

 

Add that to being a distraction on field, and being an idiot and embarrassment off it...

 

How about OBJ man up and prove he deserves it.

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It's just business on both sides ...like Le'Veon both sides will wait for the other to blink. Neither will ...ensuing wasted training camp holdout. Then slow start blamed on the missed camp.

 

2019 Franchise tag ... rinse repeat in 2020 barring more injuries

 

Can't blame either side. Erratic behavior and injury don't tend to garner long term massive guaranteed contracts. Playing hurt doesn't guarantee that your owners won't hold it against you in negotiations. 

 

Do you really believe if Beckham said that he will honor the contract in place and show up@ every event and practice, be the good soldier then get hurt again that the Giants won't use the "injury prone" label as a reason not to give up a max contract ? So where is the business logic in Odell doing that risking injury until he absolutely has to ?

 

Now OB,Jr isn't doing his brand any favors lately if he wants to win endorsement deals outside of football. The Giants can further tarnish his name by going public overtly or covertly to turn the fan base against the diva WR . Also can take away his main stage in the Big Apple. Freeze him out of the game plan instead of featuring him in the offense. Engram and Shepherd plus if they go Saquon is plenty to get by.

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31 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

1. No, they aren’t. You don’t sign Solder and trade for a Ogletree if you are in “full rebuild mode”. 

 

Those moves don't square with the idea that they're in a rebuild, but we're also getting reports like this one: 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/nfl-gm-giants-rebuild-mode-tear-article-1.3891820

 

Maybe they're just confused about how to rebuild.  They've kind of been a chaotic organization the last year, if you hadn't noticed.  Certainly, the organization's apparent willingness to let go of OBJ, if it's more than a negotiating stance, would indicate that they're not serious about competing in the near future.

 

31 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

2. This team was 11-5 not too long ago. There’s elite talent on both sides of the ball. 

 

Lots of teams were 11-5 "not too long ago".  Everything took a huge step back last year and it wasn't just the WR injuries.  I think a rebound year looks like 8-8 for this team, assuming they keep OBJ.

 

31 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

3. Ryan Leaf? Why? Just because? 

 

Because Ryan Leaf was also taken with the #2 overall pick.  There's a pretty long list of QBs taken in the first round who didn't pan out.  Between the Browns, Giants and Jets -- who may well take QBs with the top three picks -- one of those teams is going to whiff on their evaluation.  The 2004 draft is the only one I can find that produced three franchise QBs in the first round (Eli, Rivers, Big Ben).  Someone always overpays.

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8 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

Because Ryan Leaf was also taken with the #2 overall pick.  There's a pretty long list of QBs taken in the first round who didn't pan out.  Between the Browns, Giants and Jets -- who may well take QBs with the top three picks -- one of those teams is going to whiff on their evaluation.  The 2004 draft is the only one I can find that produced three franchise QBs in the first round (Eli, Rivers, Big Ben).  Someone always overpays.

 

You have to go back to 1983.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_NFL_Draft#Round_one

 

If you go past the first round, you can start looking at drafts like 2011.

 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

 

Those moves don't square with the idea that they're in a rebuild, but we're also getting reports like this one: 

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/nfl-gm-giants-rebuild-mode-tear-article-1.3891820

 

Maybe they're just confused about how to rebuild.  They've kind of been a chaotic organization the last year, if you hadn't noticed.  Certainly, the organization's apparent willingness to let go of OBJ, if it's more than a negotiating stance, would indicate that they're not serious about competing in the near future.

 

 

Lots of teams were 11-5 "not too long ago".  Everything took a huge step back last year and it wasn't just the WR injuries.  I think a rebound year looks like 8-8 for this team, assuming they keep OBJ.

 

 

Because Ryan Leaf was also taken with the #2 overall pick.  There's a pretty long list of QBs taken in the first round who didn't pan out.  Between the Browns, Giants and Jets -- who may well take QBs with the top three picks -- one of those teams is going to whiff on their evaluation.  The 2004 draft is the only one I can find that produced three franchise QBs in the first round (Eli, Rivers, Big Ben).  Someone always overpays.

 

It was 2016. “Lots of teams have been 11-5”. Go count how many. We’ll wait.

 

So, the actual moves suggest no “rebuild mode” - but there’s a quote from a fluff article soooo must be true

 

Odell, Shepard, Engram, Solder, Harrison, OV, Ogletree, Collins, Jenkins, Tomlinson ...

 

there is quality talent on both sides of the ball. Everything that could’ve gone wrong did last year - including decimating injuries to WR / OL / Secondary. 

 

This team is not far off from being competitive - like everyone else, they need there best players actually on the field.

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Legitimate landing spots if traded? Any team can use someone like odell, but who has a clear wr need?

 

Bills, Ravens, Colts, Panthers, Niners?

 

Just off the top of my head. I would assume if he does get traded, its probably out of division, and preferably out of conference. 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, CharlieWhitehurst said:

I can only see a team like the Cowboys trading for OBJ. 

 

1. They already have started extension negotiations 

 

2. The last team the Giants would trade him to? Philly ... then Dallas.

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15 minutes ago, vikingapocalypse said:

Legitimate landing spots if traded? Any team can use someone like odell, but who has a clear wr need?

 

Bills, Ravens, Colts, Panthers, Niners?

 

Just off the top of my head. I would assume if he does get traded, its probably out of division, and preferably out of conference. 

 

 

 

The Colts would be crazy enough to do it.  The 6, 36 and 37 would probably be an overpay...

 

The Browns, Colts and Titans are all AFC teams that have the cap space to sign Odell and frontload a contract this season. (Assuming the Giants would never trade Odell in the NFC or to the Jets).

 

The Giants will have the cap space to sign him next season.  Can they get him to wait?

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4 hours ago, dashoe said:

 

 

Finally the blurbs have caught up to what I have been hinting at for multiple posts. . .blockbuster trade time! :lol:

 

Being in agreement with the Rotoworld blurbs isn't something to be proud of...

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2 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Being in agreement with the Rotoworld blurbs isn't something to be proud of...

 

Neither is having @joshua18 agree with you. . .:P

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28 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

1. They already have started extension negotiations 

 

2. The last team the Giants would trade him to? Philly ... then Dallas.

To clear cap space they would do it for anyone, especially if they are in rebuilding mode. Then they don't care about beating them this year or the next. Seems like OBJ is becoming too much of a problem for him to be worth it.

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