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LeSean McCoy 2018 Outlook

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1 hour ago, SyNdicateZ said:

lol sorry did you say Elite QB? i think more Very Good QB..... :)

He was going to win MVP before he got injured. I'd consider a qb coming off an MVP-caliber season as elite. (exception for Cam Newton lol)

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2 minutes ago, stay_woke said:

He was going to win MVP before he got injured. I'd consider a qb coming off an MVP-caliber season as elite. (exception for Cam Newton lol)

as far as exceptions...

Eli Manning- "hold my beer"

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Just now, TeeGee60 said:

as far as exceptions...

Eli Manning- "hold my beer"

 

Eli is a first ballot hall of famer. Yeah he's not very good now but in his prime was elite. Arguably the most clutch QB to play in the past 2 decades. I'm not going to post his accomplishments (since this isn't the eli thread) but you should look them up.

 

Regardless this is the Shady thread and I don't want to side track it. I think the eagles would be a huge boost to his value and could definitely see him return low end RB1 value.

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26 minutes ago, tjspark said:

As a bills fan I’m absolutely fine with it but I’d think we can do better than a fifth from a good team. Just sayin. 

 

Agreed. What do you think is fair? I’d ask for a 3rd round pick and maybe settle for 4th if I can’t get more.

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5 hours ago, Ace_King said:

 

No way Buffalo, even Buffalo, is dumb enough to give a player like McCoy up for a fifth rounder.

 

If you’re rebuilding, you’ll take the highest pick while shedding a 30 year old RB contract. There’s no reason to pay that much to a RB on the decline unless you were in win now mode. It benefits both teams equally.

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16 minutes ago, street sharks said:

 

McCoy can't even succeed in this offense

Ivory did put up 15 points in ppr the week mccoy was out 

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Yahoo piece:

 

It's almost unimaginable to think the Eagles would trade for McCoy. I know there was a report out of Buffalo that said they were interested, but it makes no sense and honestly I'd be absolutely stunned if it happens.

Here's why.

You have to start with Howie Roseman, who was the Eagles' general manager from 2010 through 2014 and again since 2016.

What have we learned from watching Howie over the last decade?

He never allocates significant resources for running backs. Howie comes from the school that says you spend money on offensive line, defensive line and quarterback and fill in the pieces at other positions with capable pros, often late-round picks or undrafted guys.

Think about it. In Roseman's eight years as general manager, the Eagles haven't drafted a running back in the first three rounds, and they haven't signed a free agent running back to a big-money deal.

Roseman likes fifth-round picks like Wendell Smallwood. Undrafted rookies like Corey Clement. Free agent bargains like LeGarrette Blount. Even Jay Ajayi was a bargain when the Eagles acquired him, still on his rookie fifth-round contract.

What was one of the first moves Howie made when he replaced Chip Kelly? Trading high-priced, under-achieving DeMarco Murray.

And it makes sense. Why invest a fortune on a position that has such a short shelf life? Where injuries claim so many careers prematurely?

Which brings us to Shady.

Incredible talent. But let's look at him through Howie's lens:

• McCoy is 30 years old, and Roseman as a rule is going to stay away from older backs. The Eagles did sign LeGarrette Blount last year soon after his 30th birthday, but he had a $1.25 million cap number and just a one-year deal, and even so his production decreaed as the year went on.

• McCoy has a $8.95 million cap figure this year that the Eagles would absorb a big chunk of if they acquired him, along with a $9.05 million figure next year that the Eagles would be responsible for if they acquired him. That's a significant amount of money for a team with major cap issues, especially one that as a rule does not pay running backs.

• It's hard to imagine Roseman shipping anything but a very late-round pick or picks for any player in his 30s, especially a running back. If the published reports that the Bills are seeking a second- and third-round pick are accurate, it's unthinkable for Howie to make that deal. Draft picks are treasures for Howie. Especially premium ones. Those hopefully turn into starters you'll have for the next decade. Heck, McCoy only cost the Eagles a second-round pick in 2009. Are they going to spend more on him nine years later in the twilight of his career?

• McCoy's production is down. He averaged a career-low 4.0 yards per carry last year and is down to 3.8 this year. The Bills don't have a high-powered passing game, so defenses can make it hard for him. But through 2016, McCoy had a 4.8 average. Since 2016 that figure is 3.9.

• The Eagles really like Wendell Smallwood and Corey Clement. Both are capable as runners and out of the backfield, and both have played at a high level. Smallwood has 246 yards from scrimmage on 35 touches this year (7.0 yards per touch), Clement has 186 yards on 35 touches (5.3 yards per touch) and McCoy has 234 yards on 55 touches (4.3 yards per touch). Smallwood and Clement are much younger, much cheaper and know the offense.

• Then there's the intangibles. McCoy was never charged with a crime after allegations were made against him regarding an assault and robbery in suburban Atlanta involving his ex-girlfriend. But locker room fit and culture fit are very important to the Eagles, and they would certainly have to do their due diligence before even thinking about bringing him back into the fold.

Add it all up, and it's doesn't add up. It's just not a Howie Roseman type of move.

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Since Raporeporter is saying it won't happen the odds went up exponentially. Don't know what the "out" is for next year on Shady's contract. That I think is the biggest obstacle. Eagles are in it to win it as far as this year to become back to back champs. Picking up the 1/2 season for this year could be worked out.

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Since Raporeporter is saying it won't happen the odds went up exponentially. Don't know what the "out" is for next year on Shady's contract. That I think is the biggest obstacle. Eagles are in it to win it as far as this year to become back to back champs. Picking up the 1/2 season for this year could be worked out.

 

Per Buffalo source :

 

Contract by yearly potential accelerated dead money

By granting McCoy such a large signing bonus, the Bills lowered their current cap charge and obviously made McCoy very happy; where this move could have negative repercussions would be down the road if McCoy's contract is terminated. (For each of these cuts, I am assuming the Bills would designate McCoy a post-June 1 cut, pushing the dead money hit to the following season).

  • 2016: $7.875 million. If the Bills cut McCoy in 2016, three years' worth of $2.625 million prorated signing bonus will fall on their 2017 cap as dead money.
  • 2017: $5.25 million. Same as above, but the money would now fall on 2018.
  • 2018: $2.625 million. If McCoy breaks down after three seasons and the Bills cut him rather than paying him $6.325 million in 2018 salary, they will be forced to take on $2.625 million in dead money on their 2019 salary cap.
  • 2019: $0

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2 hours ago, Szer0 said:

 

 

Sunday CSB: 

 

Glad I traded away my McCoy and Keelan Cole for Aaron Jones and Calvin Ridley.

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1 hour ago, FantasyGuru24 said:

I think he’ll have a good game .. They’re going to showcase home and feed him the rock so the Bills can have more leverage in a trade imo 

Ive owned him a few times over his years as a Bill.  I usually feel pretty comfortable starting him at home.

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Good to see him at least looking startable again. Although Peterman’s still pretty rough - hopefully the Bills will turn to Derek Anderson if Allen is out next week. If nothing else, DA is at least an experienced vet, so hopefully he’ll be good for Shady’s outlook if Allen winds up missing some time.

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11 hours ago, jtbgator said:

 

Sunday CSB: 

 

Glad I traded away my McCoy and Keelan Cole for Aaron Jones and Calvin Ridley.

im sorry.....

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Just when you think you've seen the light at the end of the tunnel, Allen hurts his elbow.  Peterman continues to be awful.  Does that pretty much kill his value going forward?

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17 hours ago, Sternes said:

Just when you think you've seen the light at the end of the tunnel, Allen hurts his elbow.  Peterman continues to be awful.  Does that pretty much kill his value going forward?

 

If Derek Anderson plays, I feel a hell of a lot better than if Peterman or even Josh Allen were to lol.

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1 hour ago, TonyRomo said:

 

If Derek Anderson plays, I feel a hell of a lot better than if Peterman or even Josh Allen were to lol.

Me too was actually surprised when I heard he was on their roster, was like why tf hasnt he at least been the 2nd string QB behind Allen lol? 

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3 hours ago, dakimbell said:

Me too was actually surprised when I heard he was on their roster, was like why tf hasnt he at least been the 2nd string QB behind Allen lol? 

 

They just signed him. 

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What's everyone's outlook on this guy tomorrow?

 

70 yards rushing / 50 receiving would make for a nice floor in ppr

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