devaster 3,950 Posted May 17, 2018 Coach speak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theSPANKER 2,061 Posted May 17, 2018 17 minutes ago, devaster said: Coach speak  Why do you believe that?  He's an explosive play-maker who can take it to the house on any given play he has the ball in his hands.   Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howlin' 2 424 Posted May 17, 2018 Look @ Â Andy Reid disciples use of RB's in the passing game (Ricky Watters, Brian Westbrook, McCoy,etc...) and 64-80 receptions isn't out of the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devaster 3,950 Posted May 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, theSPANKER said:  Why do you believe that?  He's an explosive play-maker who can take it to the house on any given play he has the ball in his hands.   Well as a RB I don't believe in that amount of receptions. But if they are going to deploy him consistently as a slot WR I can see those numbers being attainable. At this point it is coach speak. Not much will be known until pre-season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taobball 7,483 Posted May 17, 2018 1 hour ago, devaster said: Coach speak  What exact aspect is coach speak? He didn't give a volume or a specific role. He's mostly praised thinks that are factually true: Cohen's Speed, Versatility, and his extremely underrated on and off-field Football awareness.   Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devaster 3,950 Posted May 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, taobball said:  What exact aspect is coach speak? He didn't give a volume or a specific role. He's mostly praised thinks that are factually true: Cohen's Speed, Versatility, and his extremely underrated on and off-field Football awareness.   People are reading into it as volume or role increase though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taobball 7,483 Posted May 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, devaster said: People are reading into it as volume or role increase though.  You don't think his role will increase going from a traditional, bland coaching style to an entirely new offensive direction with an entirely new minded HC/OC?  I don't think that's coach speak... I think that's logic. I'm not saying his role will be insane, and he'll probalby be a bit prone to needing the big play too. But if you don't think his role increases from his rookie season in the John Fox / Dowell Loggains scheme you're just as wrong as anyone who thinks he's an incredible three-down back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taobball 7,483 Posted May 17, 2018 2 hours ago, Experienced Rookie said: 4-5 catches puts him on pace for 64-80 end of season. He had 53 in a full season last year.  3 per game is a more realistic average unless you see a concrete reason for more targets this year.  Scheme, Coaching Staff... two pretty concrete reasons. The fact that every play called will be different is fairly substantial methinks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 2,018 Posted May 17, 2018 30 rushing yards, and 4 catches for 30 receiving yards per game...  He doesn't need his role to grow into something crazy in order to produce. That's already 10 PPR points per game without a single big play or TD. Cohen is going to quietly be a great RB2 this year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devaster 3,950 Posted May 17, 2018 18 minutes ago, taobball said:  You don't think his role will increase going from a traditional, bland coaching style to an entirely new offensive direction with an entirely new minded HC/OC?  I don't think that's coach speak... I think that's logic. I'm not saying his role will be insane, and he'll probalby be a bit prone to needing the big play too. But if you don't think his role increases from his rookie season in the John Fox / Dowell Loggains scheme you're just as wrong as anyone who thinks he's an incredible three-down back. Oh it will be better than last season. But I see a lot of folks reading into the coach speak as Cohen being the next Westbrook or JC. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 2,018 Posted May 17, 2018 1 minute ago, devaster said: Oh it will be better than last season. But I see a lot of folks reading into the coach speak as Cohen being the next Westbrook or JC.  I'm the founder of the Tarik Cohen fan club. I'm not even that high on him, so I doubt anyone is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolling Thunder 2,095 Posted May 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, ajs723 said: 30 rushing yards, and 4 catches for 30 receiving yards per game...  He doesn't need his role to grow into something crazy in order to produce. That's already 10 PPR points per game without a single big play or TD. Cohen is going to quietly be a great RB2 this year.  Of all the new faces around the league last PS, Cohen definitely stood out during the snaps I witnessed. Knowing nothing about the guy pre-draft, he made me a believer out of me in short order.  Of course, Abdullah passed my eye test his rookie season too, so I'm not always right. That said, I'm still in on Cohen, coach speak or not, until he suddenly doesn't look the part on tape.  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Gridiron Assassin 1,175 Posted May 17, 2018 He's getting all kinds of hype around Chicago and he's just one of many weapons the Bears now have for MT to get the ball to.  In PPR he'll be gold and he returns kicks occasionally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhawks489 3,220 Posted May 17, 2018 Someone post the backflip catch and let's get this train rolling! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostOfCap 48 Posted May 17, 2018 He's got an outside shot at 80 catches this year. Anything that happened in Chicago last year on offense can be thrown out the window. Nagy and Fox might be polar opposite coaches. He's a steal right now in full PPR dynasty. Â Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,790 Posted May 17, 2018 3 hours ago, devaster said: People are reading into it as volume or role increase though. It's very safe to forecast more quality touches for Cohen. Â If Nagy wasn't happy with his 2-headed backfield he would've drafted a rb from this rb-heavy class Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,790 Posted May 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, GhostOfCap said: He's got an outside shot at 80 catches this year. Anything that happened in Chicago last year on offense can be thrown out the window. Nagy and Fox might be polar opposite coaches. He's a steal right now in full PPR dynasty. Â 58 is my over/under..I do not think he'll see a lot more targets, but he'll average @ 8-10 yds per catch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bhawks489 3,220 Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, GhostOfCap said: He's got an outside shot at 80 catches this year. Anything that happened in Chicago last year on offense can be thrown out the window. Nagy and Fox might be polar opposite coaches. He's a steal right now in full PPR dynasty.  Pick 7.5 in a 12 team ppr dynasty  Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 2,018 Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, psygolf said: 58 is my over/under..I do not think he'll see a lot more targets, but he'll average @ 8-10 yds per catch Over. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dashoe 5,987 Posted May 18, 2018 Naggy is well versed in the power of preseason coachspeak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,790 Posted May 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, ajs723 said: Over. Why would he have more catches than Hunt in the same system without the benefit of being on the field as much as him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 2,018 Posted May 18, 2018 17 minutes ago, psygolf said: Why would he have more catches than Hunt in the same system without the benefit of being on the field as much as him? Because he's a better receiver than Hunt (not that Hunt is bad) and they will find ways to use him as a receiver, even when Howard is in the backfield. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
psygolf 2,790 Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, ajs723 said: Because he's a better receiver than Hunt (not that Hunt is bad) and they will find ways to use him as a receiver, even when Howard is in the backfield. He will be further down the totem pole as a receiver in '18 than he was last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 2,018 Posted May 18, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, psygolf said: He will be further down the totem pole as a receiver in '18 than he was last year. The offense will be so much exponentially more competent that it will offset this, even if true. The Bears have ARob, Gabriel, a rookie, and two unproven tight ends. Look at how much more is ahead of a guy like Kamara on his team's totem pole. Or Tevin Coleman. He had Julio Jones, Gabriel, Sanu, Hooper, and a pass catching running back ahead of him, and he did fine.  If the coaching staff understands how to use Cohen (and by all accounts they do), then he can easily get 5 or 6 targets per game. Edited May 18, 2018 by ajs723 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajs723 2,018 Posted May 18, 2018 Also, remember that there were games where the Bears basically refused to even try to throw the ball last season. In fact, here's a list of teams who threw fewer passes than the Bears last year:    That won't happen this year. They could literally throw the ball 100 More times this year. More throws mean more targets. I see somewhere around 80 targets for Cohen. A slight uptick from last season. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites