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Will be fun to see McKinnon with a coaching staff that finally gives him GL carries. 

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42 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

Will be fun to see McKinnon with a coaching staff that finally gives him GL carries. 

 

Let's see if they draft another back first. 

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7 hours ago, 96mnc said:

 

Let's see if they draft another back first. 

 

I think they will. But that shouldn't stop McKinnon from getting at least half of the GL carries -- a massive improvement over him getting regularly vultured by Asiata and Murray in MIN. 

 

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8 hours ago, joshua18 said:

Will be fun to see McKinnon with a coaching staff that finally gives him GL carries. 

 

From yesterday's presser:

 

What role do you envision for Jerick? Do you see him as a three-down feature back or someone who splits carries and catches passes?

 

KS: “Yeah, he’s coming in right now and he’s our starting running back. We’re going to always compete and we’ll see how that plays out, but obviously, we brought him here to be our starting back. The question that you asked, I understand the question, but a lot of that doesn’t, I don’t totally think that way. What play are we running on the first play of the game? Every play from then on out is the same. Feature back, starting back, obviously, that’s what we think of him and that’s why we got him here, but you can use backs in a lot of different ways. There’s lots of things you can do with them and when you have a guy like Jerick, when he’s on the field, he’s not on the field just to run passes. He’s not on the field just to run the ball. He can do both and when you can do both, it puts defenses a lot more in a bind and gives us a lot more options.”

 

Here is a link to the transcript, which reveals alot IMO about how both KS and JL feel about McKinnon:

 

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/3/15/17127532/49ers-press-conference-weston-richburg-jerick-mckinnon-transcript-john-lynch-kyle-shanahan

 

Comments by McKinnon himself at the presser seem to confirm that KS and JL have essentially told him he is going to be a "feature back."

 

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1 minute ago, Rolling Thunder said:

 

From yesterday's presser:

 

What role do you envision for Jerick? Do you see him as a three-down feature back or someone who splits carries and catches passes?

 

KS: “Yeah, he’s coming in right now and he’s our starting running back. We’re going to always compete and we’ll see how that plays out, but obviously, we brought him here to be our starting back. The question that you asked, I understand the question, but a lot of that doesn’t, I don’t totally think that way. What play are we running on the first play of the game? Every play from then on out is the same. Feature back, starting back, obviously, that’s what we think of him and that’s why we got him here, but you can use backs in a lot of different ways. There’s lots of things you can do with them and when you have a guy like Jerick, when he’s on the field, he’s not on the field just to run passes. He’s not on the field just to run the ball. He can do both and when you can do both, it puts defenses a lot more in a bind and gives us a lot more options.”

 

Here is a link to the transcript, which reveals alot IMO about how both KS and JL feel about McKinnon:

 

https://www.ninersnation.com/2018/3/15/17127532/49ers-press-conference-weston-richburg-jerick-mckinnon-transcript-john-lynch-kyle-shanahan

 

Comments by McKinnon himself at the presser seem to confirm that KS and JL have essentially told him he is going to be a "feature back."

 

Yeah, but I'm skeptical until I see it in game action. Maybe I'm just tempering expectations because I own him in all of my dynasty leagues ?

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Just now, joshua18 said:

 

Yeah, but I'm skeptical until I see it in game action. Maybe I'm just tempering expectations because I own him in all of my dynasty leagues ?

 

Give the presser transcript a read.  I bet it diminishes your skepticism some.

 

BTW, it is worth mentioning that JL and KS remain wedded to the naive notion that the best way to run a team and deal with the media is to operate with "transparency."  You can still believe what they say, for better or for worse. That's why I take my cue when possible from KS' mouth, rather than the clickbait that often distorts his comments.  

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Rolling Thunder said:

 

Give the presser transcript a read.  I bet it diminishes your skepticism some.

 

BTW, it is worth mentioning that JL and KS remain wedded to the naive notion that the best way to run a team and deal with the media is to operate with "transparency."  You can still believe what they say, for better or for worse. That's why I take my cue when possible from KS' mouth, rather than the clickbait that often distorts his comments.  

 

 

 

I never believe that a Shanahan is transparent with the media. Ever. However, I believe the contract they gave him doesn't lie.

 

Also remember this was the same guy who insisted on starting Beathard over Jimmy G because he supposedly knew the playbook better. If Beathard hadn't gotten hurt, Jimmy G might not have started till the end of the season.

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28 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

Yeah, but I'm skeptical until I see it in game action. Maybe I'm just tempering expectations because I own him in all of my dynasty leagues ?

That’s why you are such a fervent defender.  Makes sense.   

 

100% coachspeak there.  Other than the jets, who makes a big FA signing and tells the guy he’s not a big part of their plans?  

 

 

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6 minutes ago, joshua18 said:

 

I never believe that a Shanahan is transparent with the media. Ever. However, I believe the contract they gave him doesn't lie.

 

Also remember this was the same guy who insisted on starting Beathard over Jimmy G because he supposedly knew the playbook better. If Beathard hadn't gotten hurt, Jimmy G might not have started till the end of the season.

 

There is no one more skeptical than me when it comes to FO or CS spin.  But for the time being, you can go to the bank with  what this novice GM and newbie HC say.  If you and I had the time, I could cite you a mountain of proof that they are still following this naive "transparency" policy.  

 

As I said, I don't know how long it will last, but until it ends, it's a rare advantage in terms of our decisionmaking.  I made good money last season mining KS' and JL's comments, especially when they were at odds with what was popular sentiment in the online community.  Until further notice, I am very comfortable going back to the well.

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20 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:

That’s why you are such a fervent defender.  Makes sense.   

 

100% coachspeak there.  Other than the jets, who makes a big FA signing and tells the guy he’s not a big part of their plans?  

 

 

 

This isn't my first rodeo.  I am no stranger to coachspeak.  These guys really are operating different than the norm when it comes to sharing information with the local media and the fanbase. 

 

But alas, we all have to follow our own stars.  I'm just sharing what I see, conclude, and have been able to verify.  Your size may vary, and that's totally ok.

 

 

 

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Just now, Rolling Thunder said:

 

This isn't my first rodeo.  I am no stranger to coachspeak.  These guys are operating different than the norm when it comes

to sharing information with the local

media and the fanbase. 

 

But alas, we all have to follow our own stars.  I'm just sharing what I see, conclude, and have been able to verify.  Your size may vary, and that's totally ok.

 

Thats fine- I don’t deny your background or experience.    Just that it’s exactly what every coach/GM should say.   Especially when it’s being labeled as an overpay by the league.   They have some leash to make unconventional moves...so no worries yet.     It’s not like they are going to announce the point at which transparency isn’t their guiding principle anymore.   It just happens.  

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Rolling Thunder said:

 

There is no one more skeptical than me when it comes to FO or CS spin.  But for the time being, you can go to the bank with  what this novice GM and newbie HC say.  If you and I had the time, I could cite you a mountain of proof that they are still following this naive "transparency" policy.  

 

As I said, I don't know how long it will last, but until it ends, it's a rare advantage in terms of our decisionmaking.  I made good money last season mining KS' and JL's comments, especially when they were at odds with what was popular sentiment in the online community.  Until further notice, I am very comfortable going back to the well.

 

What about the RB situation last year?

 

They basically made Roto Forum blow up thinking Joe Williams and Matt Breida were the future.

 

0 fantasy points later, it was still Hyde, the best RB on the team.

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6 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:

 

Thats fine- I don’t deny your background or experience.    Just that it’s exactly what every coach/GM should say.   Especially when it’s being labeled as an overpay by the league.   They have some leash to make unconventional moves...so no worries yet.     It’s not like they are going to announce the point at which transparency isn’t their guiding principle anymore.   It just happens.  

 

 

 

Whenever I make trades or draft a guy really early at the draft and all my buddies clown on me hard I know my first reaction is to go over the top justifying the move I just made.

 

"You idiots are going to see.  I know what I'm doing!  Just Watch!"

NEVER have I been like, "ahhh dang, I definitely screwed up there, you got me"

 

You better believe that was what my brain was telling my sad heart though.

 

Kyle Shanahan is me at my draft... Sad Heart fake smiling telling the media to "just watch".

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2 minutes ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said:

 

What about the RB situation last year?

 

They basically made Roto Forum blow up thinking Joe Williams and Matt Breida were the future.

 

0 fantasy points later, it was still Hyde, the best RB on the team.

 

Actually last year THEY didn't do anything. It was all based on the Peter King inside the SF draft piece that exposed the FFL writing community for their collective laziness and bandwagoning ("Williams is a stud, Hyde is gonna get cut"). Pretty sure Rolling Thunder was one of the first on these forums last May to expose this. 

 

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1 hour ago, joshua18 said:

 

Actually last year THEY didn't do anything. It was all based on the Peter King inside the SF draft piece that exposed the FFL writing community for their collective laziness and bandwagoning ("Williams is a stud, Hyde is gonna get cut"). Pretty sure Rolling Thunder was one of the first on these forums last May to expose this. 

 

 

This is accurate- RT is a credible source.   So are Schefter, Mort, and the rest.    But they get used by NFL teams and agents regularly.    Call me paranoid but when I see a team advertise transparency I’m more suspicious than ever.     A strategy more than a guiding principle.   

 

None of this changes the fact that RunJMc looks to get a decent dose of volume in some capacity.    Whether is turns into something more than we’ve seen idk.

 

 Sounds like most are thinking second round in ppr, third in standard?

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34 minutes ago, Impreza178 said:

 

This is accurate- RT is a credible source.   So are Schefter, Mort, and the rest.    But they get used by NFL teams and agents regularly.    Call me paranoid but when I see a team advertise transparency I’m more suspicious than ever.     A strategy more than a guiding principle.   

 

None of this changes the fact that RunJMc looks to get a decent dose of volume in some capacity.    Whether is turns into something more than we’ve seen idk.

 

 Sounds like most are thinking second round in ppr, third in standard?

 

I'll pump the brakes on that one until after the draft.  I'm never paying a 2nd round pick for a mediocre player just because of a change of scenery.

 

If they don't draft another RB, am I interested in getting him on my teams?  Obviously

Am I paying a premium price when there is other established proven guys?  Absolutely not

 

FFC PPR ADP currently has Mixon at #33 and Lamar Miller at #44.  I think he should fall somewhere in between those 2 players.

 

A LOT of movement and shaking is expected in these ADPs though.

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2 hours ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said:

 

What about the RB situation last year?

 

They basically made Roto Forum blow up thinking Joe Williams and Matt Breida were the future.

 

0 fantasy points later, it was still Hyde, the best RB on the team.

 

Exactly.  KS and JL told us quite clearly along the way that Hyde was the guy.  Maybe you missed it, but I wrote what what seemed like a million posts suggesting to folks that they needed listen to what those two were saying, rather than the clickbait that was generated when Peter King reported the Joe Williams draft story.  Peter King was accurate about what happened on draft day, and it was fair for folks to wonder if that meant Hyde was done.  But during the off-season that followed, KS and JL said that Hyde would still be the guy.  I even posted links to the actual statements.  But just like now, skeptical folks dismissed the statements as a smoke screen, insisting that something else must be going on.

 

In short, your post makes my point precisely.  There is dependable information to be gleaned from these two newbies. 

 

I am not saying that the message is always clear.  KS and JL often are not sure what they are going to do.  However, in those instances, there is either silence on the issue, or the statements are equivocal on their face.  

 

They also acknowledge their errors when they've done an about-face on something. Just read the part in the transcript I linked where they are asked why center Dan Kilgore was suddenly moved to Miami yesterday for nothing, barely 3 weeks after they signed him to good money to be their starting center.  They are making rookie mistakes for sure, but they aren't trying to hide them.

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2 hours ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said:

 

What about the RB situation last year?

 

They basically made Roto Forum blow up thinking Joe Williams and Matt Breida were the future.

 

0 fantasy points later, it was still Hyde, the best RB on the team.

Most here who drafted  Hyde. cough cough knew that was BS. it was when he benched Hyde that I traded him because I knew Shanny was playing games and I didnt want to go through the roller coaster of treat the productive star rb as the expendable problem  because you want to trade him or feature your rookie game. traded him for Diggs and that didnt work out too great turned out to be a push in the end

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I hope mckinnon turns out to be a stud, it would be nice to get excited by another young rb. Plus the Niners need for this to work out given what they are paying him. These other contracts for FA like lewis-crowell-hyde show they made a valuation error particularly when jerick was not considered to be the top FA rb available. 

Niners fans should still be excited at least they are not signing questionable retreads like gruden in OAK is doing. . .^_^

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McKinnon apologists still running wild?

 

He is not a feature back. He is a COP back and nothing more. Vikings did everything they can to avoid using this guy as a feature back for a reason. Have fun drafting this disappointment in the 2nd-3rd. 

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4 hours ago, joshua18 said:

 

I never believe that a Shanahan is transparent with the media. Ever. However, I believe the contract they gave him doesn't lie.

 

Also remember this was the same guy who insisted on starting Beathard over Jimmy G because he supposedly knew the playbook better. If Beathard hadn't gotten hurt, Jimmy G might not have started till the end of the season.

When trying to project opportunity, always follow the money and also in that regard, draft capital as well. Should be an axiom in FF. McKinnon will have a long runway to prove Shanahan right. Now the smart thing to do would be to figure out who the potential cuff is. Anything could happen as RBs tend to get injured (except for CMac of course), or he could turn out to be a fumbler, etc. Who that cuff is, I have no clue.

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51 minutes ago, pikerbkb said:

When trying to project opportunity, always follow the money and also in that regard, draft capital as well. Should be an axiom in FF. McKinnon will have a long runway to prove Shanahan right. Now the smart thing to do would be to figure out who the potential cuff is. Anything could happen as RBs tend to get injured (except for CMac of course), or he could turn out to be a fumbler, etc. Who that cuff is, I have no clue.

 

 

case in point coleman and freeman were rotated the first dew games with coleman being featured until he was injured and freeman ran away with the job

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1 hour ago, oliminator123 said:

McKinnon apologists still running wild?

 

He is not a feature back. He is a COP back and nothing more. Vikings did everything they can to avoid using this guy as a feature back for a reason. Have fun drafting this disappointment in the 2nd-3rd. 

 

Still butthurt over last year I see. He was a high-end RB2 while splitting snaps and seeing no GL work (and was the overall PPR RB9 from week 5 onward). Low-end RB1 floor if he even sees half of SF's GL carries, which the enormity of the contract indicates is a very real possibility.

 

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I was alerted to this interesting factoid, so I figured I should share it.  Take a gander who the "NFL Comparison" was for Joe Williams in his draft profile:

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/joe-williams?id=2557936

 

Yep, none other than Jerick McKinnon.  

 

Given KS' famous table pounding on draft day last year, this cooincidence takes on a little more meaning.

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2 hours ago, pikerbkb said:

... Who that cuff is, I have no clue.

 

You’re lost. It’s easy to get lost when speaking of the McKinnon Paradox. Shanahan himself got lost. He may still be lost from being forced to contain Joe Williams to I R last season. 

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