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So...we're hoping he ends up on teams we hate, right? Is that what we're doing here?

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LOL...Committees every damn where this offseason. Jack Doyle was effective last year working with Brissett. Arguably the best player on offense for them for a huge stretch. Was this really a position of need with all of the holes they have elsewhere? Frank Reich has experience using two TE's but damn, from a fantasy perspective this sucks. Doyle had some nice sleeper value with a likely return of Luck.

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3 hours ago, nonstopfan said:

LOL...Committees every damn where this offseason. Jack Doyle was effective last year working with Brissett. Arguably the best player on offense for them for a huge stretch. Was this really a position of need with all of the holes they have elsewhere? Frank Reich has experience using two TE's but damn, from a fantasy perspective this sucks. Doyle had some nice sleeper value with a likely return of Luck.

 

This doesn't make any sense.   Neither can block well so two TE formations aren't as effective.  You essentially have two move TEs.

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4 hours ago, 96mnc said:

 

This doesn't make any sense.   Neither can block well so two TE formations aren't as effective.  You essentially have two move TEs.

 

Because you line them up in the slot. Every team with good pass catching tight ends spreads them out. Easier to read man vs zone and usually every man matchup for a tight end is a mismatch unless you play your safeties close to the line (and force 1 on 1 outside coverage). Haven't you taken any notes from the Pats?

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Couldn't have asked for a better landing spot.  Young stud QB without many other receiving options.  Ebron is still very talented.

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1 minute ago, Lord_Varys said:

Couldn't have asked for a better landing spot.  Young stud QB without many other receiving options.  Ebron is still very talented.

We could have asked for Ebron to go to a team without an established starter.  

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3 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

We could have asked for Ebron to go to a team without an established starter.  

 

Is there any team in the league that doesn't have a starting tight end?  Seattle might be the only other better fit.  Doyle is not special.

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Well, Indy has Chester Rogers as their #2 WR right now.........so i guess this could work.   Their red zone offense should have both TE's in on every passing snap I'd think, since Hilton isn't a RZ beast.    So, i think both guys can score a fair amount of TD's here.   But, as a Doyle fan, id rather have seen Ebron go to NY or Seattle or somewhere with an open depth chart.  

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21 minutes ago, Lord_Varys said:

 

Is there any team in the league that doesn't have a starting tight end?  Seattle might be the only other better fit.  Doyle is not special.

 

While I agree that "special" isn't the word I'd use, I would suggest that Doyle is at least capable, even dependable, and when the Colts and their 2nd string QB needed him Doyle stepped up. He snagged 75% of the balls tossed at him or near him, led the Colts in receptions (TY was a a whopping 109 targets, 57 receptions). In PPR, Doyle's 83 receptions helped to keep him relevant, and he ranked only behind Kelce in number.

 

All that said, Doyle didn't do much after the catch, and certainly will become irrelevant assuming he's splitting targets / touches with Ebron, even if it's a split that favors Doyle. He's got good hands, but even with Luck throwing the ball we can expect the WRs to blossom. Unless one of them suffers an injury between now and September, I imagine Doyle and Ebron both might go undrafted in fantasy.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, CharlieWhitehurst said:

Gonna be a RZ machine. 

 

Never has been in college or in one of the pass-heaviest offenses im the NFL the past 4 seasons. 

 

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Just now, joshua18 said:

 

Never has been in college or in one of the pass-heaviest offenses im the NFL the past 4 seasons. 

 

Right but who else are they going to throw RZ targets to? TY never gets them. Chester Rodgers?

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2 minutes ago, CharlieWhitehurst said:

Right but who else are they going to throw RZ targets to? TY never gets them. Chester Rodgers?

 

Jack Doyle.

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4 hours ago, Lord_Varys said:

 

Is there any team in the league that doesn't have a starting tight end?  Seattle might be the only other better fit.  Doyle is not special.

 

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5 hours ago, A27K said:

 

Because you line them up in the slot. Every team with good pass catching tight ends spreads them out. Easier to read man vs zone and usually every man matchup for a tight end is a mismatch unless you play your safeties close to the line (and force 1 on 1 outside coverage). Haven't you taken any notes from the Pats?

 

Yes,  I have extensive notes on the Pats.

 

Both of their TEs are excellent in line blockers so they can either run or pass effectively with them on the field.   The Colts duo both stink at run blocking and are liabilities there. 

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4 hours ago, Lord_Varys said:

 

Is there any team in the league that doesn't have a starting tight end?  Seattle might be the only other better fit.  Doyle is not special.

 

Fantasy wise Seattle, Miami,  and the Jets stand out. 

 

Reality wise Ebron is essentially a big slot WR and teams prefer more well rounded TEs.

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7 hours ago, dogfightgiggle said:

The second best TE in Indy.  A replacement level player who's new QB is pretty much a poor man's version of his old QB.  Nah I'll pass.

Lol, did you just call Andrew Luck a poor man's version of Matthew Stafford? 

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4 hours ago, wonderbread said:

Lol, did you just call Andrew Luck a poor man's version of Matthew Stafford? 

Same dude, but Stafford shows up every week.

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Arguably, the Lions reached for this guy and when he wasn't instant oatmeal, their fanbase turned on him. Had a good 2nd half of the season as his snap count went down while production went up. While Ebron has great hands and an elite catch radius, he's been plagued by focus drops at both levels. Provides the Colts with a legit presence to threaten the seam that they lack. Colts are a pass first offense, this guy makes a lot of sense. Ryan Grant doesn't possess the skill set of a featured WR but he's an excellent depth add. Colts were visiting with Cameron Meredith yesterday as well. Gotta like what's going on here.  

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19 hours ago, dogfightgiggle said:

The second best TE in Indy.  A replacement level player who's new QB is pretty much a poor man's version of his old QB.  Nah I'll pass.

 

This guy is a fast starter, he's already well on his way to making the fanbase of his second consecutive team extremely salty about picking him.  Ebron is getting Mike Tolbert level grief here and without even vulturing a bunch of 1 yard TD runs.  I'd say this is a good move for Indy and at worst neutral for Doyle. As 96mnc said Ebron is likely going to play as a big slot receiver rather than as an inline blocker TE type like Ed Dickson but in real life you'd rather have Ebron rather than Dickson, real football != fantasy football.  There's still plenty of offensive snaps to go around in Indy even for two TEs; besides Doyle/Ebron you have TY and then a bunch of nobody WRs and Marlon Mack as your RB1.  Unless the Colts have a magic draft and get instant contributors at the RB position and probably 2 solid WR2 types than Ebron and Doyle are both still going to eat. 

 

Brissett had 400+ attempts last year, let's say Luck is back and the Colts revert to their more typical average of 350ish attempts per season. TY in his best years gets around 130-140 targets, that leaves another 200ish to go around for Ebron/Doyle, WR2 (LOL) Chester Rogers (who?), and the rest of the offense.  Presuming Doyle maintains his 75-80ish targets (which given the fewer number of attempts is actually an increase in overall target share), give 60ish to Ebron, 25 or so for the RB, and the rest for the WR scrapheap.  That's not a unrealistic distribution IMHO.  And should Indy draft an impact player like Saquon Barkley, you can move up the RB receptions to the 50ish range maybe?  Still not probably going to come out of the targets from one player exclusively.  Now that Crabtree is signed with the Ravens there's likely no significant WR free agent signing that could assume a heavy number of targets.  At the #6 draft position the Colts are unlikely to draft a WR, either Saquon or a OL makes the most sense and either won't be calamitous to an offense without many other receiving weapons.  Now if the Colts do something crazy like trade for Dez or something then I'll revisit this, but right not I'm not worried. 

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6 hours ago, markrc99 said:

Arguably, the Lions reached for this guy and when he wasn't instant oatmeal, their fanbase turned on him. Had a good 2nd half of the season as his snap count went down while production went up. While Ebron has great hands and an elite catch radius, he's been plagued by focus drops at both levels. Provides the Colts with a legit presence to threaten the seam that they lack. Colts are a pass first offense, this guy makes a lot of sense. Ryan Grant doesn't possess the skill set of a featured WR but he's an excellent depth add. Colts were visiting with Cameron Meredith yesterday as well. Gotta like what's going on here.  

 

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