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Mar/April Closer Thread 2018

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13 minutes ago, cdd10 said:

both parker and bedrosian suck

 

Idk why they're both garbage right now. Both were pretty solid last season

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So what I'm getting from the AZ thing is, Box is the closer, except when he's not (one run games with the heart of the order coming up).  I'm a Dbacks fan, not sure I like this.

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Still think it's just Lovullo being careful, as they mentioned on the Dbacks broadcast. But monitoring the beat writers on Twitter to see if anything comes up. 

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I wonder how many people will rage drop Holland after tonight? Lol

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23 minutes ago, Tugginroot said:

So what I'm getting from the AZ thing is, Box is the closer, except when he's not (one run games with the heart of the order coming up).  I'm a Dbacks fan, not sure I like this.

 

Adjust your calmness......

 

 

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39 minutes ago, wxmilkman said:

Just visit Closer Monkey every morning to get the best information available for closer status. 

Lol no. We go through this every year too. Closer Monkey still has Parker ahead of Middleton despite all signs pointing elsewhere. This thread >/more comprehensive than Closer Monkey 

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29 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

Lol no. We go through this every year too. Closer Monkey still has Parker ahead of Middleton despite all signs pointing elsewhere. This thread >/more comprehensive than Closer Monkey 

 

Below is what they say about it. They have it marked as a committee on the depth chart and clearly state its up in the air. You have to actually read the content of the site to get information out of it. I guess it is a preference thing, Closer Monkey has everything put together in a readable form ready to be ingested by a curious mind. I particularly like the vulture watch for days 1/2 for steaming RPs. 

 

April 8, 2018
Los Angeles Angels — Blake Parker pitched yesterday with the Angels losing and gave up two runs.  It’s still very early, but Parker’s ERA is over 7.00 and Mike Scioscia is not shy about trying different guys in the ninth inning.  We would not be surprised if Keynan Middleton got the next save chance, but we also wouldn’t be surprised if he still gave Parker a shot (and because it’s Scioscia, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised by whatever happens).  Jim Johnson is another guy who could get a shot as he has pitched well to start the season, while Cam Bedrosian has probably worked himself out of the conversation with an ERA north of 7.00 to start the season.

Updated hierarchy: *Parker | Middleton | Johnson.
* = closer-by-committee

April 7, 2018
Los Angeles Angels — After an appearance in the ninth with a four-run lead, speculators are racing to grab Keynan Middleton, hoping Mike Scioscia abandons his committee inclinations and gives the young righty a chance to make the closer job his own. Suuuure, it’s possible Scioscia’s a changed man, wants to settle down — that this time is different — but we’re going to make him prove it first. If you want to take the ride, be our guest. We’ll be here for you when Mike breaks your heart.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, wxmilkman said:

 

Below is what they say about it. They have it marked as a committee on the depth chart and clearly state its up in the air. You have to actually read the content of the site to get information out of it. And the information they provide is far more legit than anything on here. 

 

April 8, 2018
Los Angeles Angels — Blake Parker pitched yesterday with the Angels losing and gave up two runs.  It’s still very early, but Parker’s ERA is over 7.00 and Mike Scioscia is not shy about trying different guys in the ninth inning.  We would not be surprised if Keynan Middleton got the next save chance, but we also wouldn’t be surprised if he still gave Parker a shot (and because it’s Scioscia, I guess we shouldn’t be surprised by whatever happens).  Jim Johnson is another guy who could get a shot as he has pitched well to start the season, while Cam Bedrosian has probably worked himself out of the conversation with an ERA north of 7.00 to start the season.

Updated hierarchy: *Parker | Middleton | Johnson.
* = closer-by-committee

April 7, 2018
Los Angeles Angels — After an appearance in the ninth with a four-run lead, speculators are racing to grab Keynan Middleton, hoping Mike Scioscia abandons his committee inclinations and gives the young righty a chance to make the closer job his own. Suuuure, it’s possible Scioscia’s a changed man, wants to settle down — that this time is different — but we’re going to make him prove it first. If you want to take the ride, be our guest. We’ll be here for you when Mike breaks your heart.

 

 

 

 

I read it. Doesn’t change the facts of what has happened (that the hundreds on this board watched and noted). 

-Middleton gets save

-Middleton warming up for next save (before Angels tack on extra run bottom 8)

-Parker comes in next outing in the 7th and they’re losing and he gives up 2 more runs

 

Of course anyone can write “Derp, Scioscia. Could be anyone ??‍♂️.”

 

But if your job is to search closer news, there’s simply no justification for not having Middleton 1st, head of committee, whatever. I believe even Parker owners will tell you this. 

 

That said, have no idea why you’d read through this thread if you think they got it right. So feel free to ignore.

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I did not read through this thread. I was hoping to enlighten people who have not heard of Closer Monkey. 

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1 minute ago, wxmilkman said:

I did not read through this thread. I was hoping to enlighten people who have not heard of Closer Monkey. 

? We’ve all heard of it. We’re here for a reason. Thanks though.

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3 minutes ago, Backdoor Slider said:

? We’ve all heard of it. We’re here for a reason. Thanks though.

 

Newbies roll through here from time to time, im sure of it!

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24 minutes ago, wxmilkman said:

I did not read through this thread. I was hoping to enlighten people who have not heard of Closer Monkey. 

Lol the CM guys come here for info.  And routinely steal quotes right off this board.  

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2 minutes ago, WahooManiac said:
27 minutes ago, wxmilkman said:

I did not read through this thread. I was hoping to enlighten people who have not heard of Closer Monkey. 

Lol the CM guys come here for info.  And routinely steal quotes right off this board.  

 

I see it is frowned upon to mention the RP resource called Closer Monkey. My bad folks! Stream on fellas!

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7 hours ago, Tugginroot said:

So what I'm getting from the AZ thing is, Box is the closer, except when he's not (one run games with the heart of the order coming up).  I'm a Dbacks fan, not sure I like this.

 

As someone pointed out above he got the night off. I was a little worried to but Lovullo named Box the closer 10-11 days ago and he hasn’t done anything to lose that job. 

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7 hours ago, Flyman75 said:

 

Yeah, I don't think this was a rest-his-arm thing. He pitched last night but he came into tonight having pitched one of the last three days. No reason he shouldn't have been able to work tonight. Maybe we'll have some clarity from the Dbacks soon. 

Its worth mentioning that Boxberger's velocity was down quite a bit (90.9 > 88.)in his last appearance as well.  The weather could have played a role in that (frigid temps in Stl) but that would mark the second consecutive  appearance where his velocity dropped (91.9 prior to that).  With his checkered  injury history, it certainly puts his fantasy owners on alert.  Arizona is chalking it up to a night off, but its worth keeping tabs on moving forward.  

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1 hour ago, handyandy86 said:

 

I wouldn't call it "frowned upon", but Closer Monkey basically is just telling you yesterday's news in most cases.  They play everything safe so they don't "get it wrong".  In a situation like LAA, they're going to list it is a committee between almost every RP in that pen until it's clearly Middleton's job after a couple saves.  If you wait for that, you're not getting him in your fantasy league.  

 

This thread speculates on who will get the job before it happens.  There's not always consensus on who it will be, but the facts are laid out and discussed and you can pick your horse.  Just this season already, a little over a week old, this thread has beaten Closer Monkey to the punch on Boxberger, Kela, and Strickland, and I now have 3 "free" closers added for nothing, days/hours before they became hot adds.

 

Closer Monkey is fine for what it is, but it's like reading yesterday's news.  You'll be up to date on what happened, but unless you play in a league with a bunch of people in comas, you're going to miss out on a lot of good opportunities.

This is why I don't buy the news paper anymore. I also believe Middleton will end up the closer. I grabbed Boxberger on the cheap as well before CM moved him to the top. It is fun to read different stuff and sometimes they are just being conservative they end up getting it right in most cases unlike my local weather man. How would you like to make the mistakes they make and keep your job?

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2 hours ago, WahooManiac said:

Lol the CM guys come here for info.  And routinely steal quotes right off this board.  

Hey sorry,  that came off more jerk than i meant it to be.  But seriously,  I've seen direct quotes from posters on here show up on that site next day.  They do a good job,  but nothing is quicker than here for info.  You just have to wade thru the pond in here a little more

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28 minutes ago, WahooManiac said:

They do a good job,  but nothing is quicker than here for info.  You just have to wade thru the pond in here a little more

This. The value that CM brings to the table is that free daily email, and the new closer alerts, which will definitely put you ahead of most casual managers. But if you want to be way ahead of the crowd, this is the place to get your info. 

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Yeah these situations are all fluid, but reading the tea leaves it has to be that MS considers Middleton to be the closer right now, and it really does not appear to be all that close. Of course he's really odd with his bullpen and the kid can blow up and it is back to the drawing board. And no other website or anything told me this...it was this thread :)

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11 hours ago, screaming_vultures said:

what kind of leash are we expecting for holland? two more blown saves ? 

I don’t even think they put a leash on him yet. Gonna be awhile, imo. 

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3 minutes ago, MugsyBogues said:

I don’t even think they put a leash on him yet. Gonna be awhile, imo. 

Maybe, but that was a pretty ominous start. If I had the luxury of starting Norris and benching Holland I would do that for now.

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the useless posts in this thread can get really out of control. my last post was the 1st post on page 48, 16 hours ago. now this is on page 56. if you're not active regular throughout the day it can be overwhelming trying to find the actual useful closer news and information. this shouldn't be a game thread.

 

 

 

http://rotoprofessor.com/baseball/?p=35517

 

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Closer in Waiting Power Rankings: April 10, 2018: A Surprising Name Emerging, Changes Loom & More

 

by Eric Stashin (aka The Rotoprofessor)

Are you someone constantly on the lookout for the next potential closer? That’s what we are trying to pinpoint here, with our Top 5 Closer In Waiting Power Rankings. These rankings look at the pitchers who appear capable of taking over their team’s respective closing duties (though in some cases, will need some help to get there). Keep in mind, if a pitcher is currently part of a committee they will not be included in these rankings despite not currently “holding” the job outright.

Without further ado, let’s take a look at how things stand (all statistics are through Saturday, unless otherwise noted):

 

1) Nate Jones – Chicago White Sox (5)
Current Closer – Joakim Soria

It seems like a foregone conclusion that Soria won’t last the season as the White Sox closer, and the last time he had a save opportunity he imploded (1.0 IP, 3 ER, 4 H, 0 BB, 0 K).  The bigger questions may be:

  1. Would the White Sox rather try a younger, potentially long-term, solution (like Bruce Rondon, who had an impressive debut on Sunday striking out all four batters he faced)?
  2. How quickly will the White Sox push Jones, who has struggled with injuries?
  3. Will the White Sox win enough games for it to matter?

Thus far Jones has looked solid, with a 2.70 ERA and 1.20 WHIP over 3.1 IP, and he has been used on back-to-back days.  That may minimize the second question and every team is going to win at least 50-60 games (regardless of how bad they are).  The upside is there, so keep a close eye on the situation.

 

2) Kyle Barraclough – Miami Marlins (1)
Current Closer – Brad Ziegler

Ziegler converted his last save opportunity and maybe that helps to ease any concerns currently hanging over him (and he’s had three scoreless outings among his four in ’18).  That said we all know he’s a non-conventional closer who appears to have a tenuous hold on the job thanks to younger, prototypical options setting up for him.  Whether it’s Barraclough (3.0 IP, 0.00 ERA, 0.33 WHIP, 5 K) or Drew Steckenrider (4.2 IP, 0.00 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, 4 K), it’s more a matter of when Miami opts to turn the page and look at their long-term solution.

It may not take much for that time to come, and while the opportunities may be limited they will still be there and Barraclough has significant upside in the role.

 

3) Addison Reed – Minnesota Twins (3)
Current Closer – Fernando Rodney

It’s Fernando Rodney, so you know that there is going to be continuous speculation that his job is in jeopardy.  Rodney has allowed just 1 ER on the season, which makes his ERA look solid (3.38 ERA).  He owns a 1.88 WHIP over his three appearances and has yet to throw a clean inning (4 H and 1 BB over 2.2 IP).  On the flipside Reed, who was initially was expected to be the closer (prior to the subsequent addition of Rodney) owns a 0.00 ERA and 0.75 WHIP over 5.1 IP (4 appearances).  He’s been nearly unhittable (1 H allowed) and has racked up 6 K.

He’s clearly the next up, and for a team looking to compete for a World Series title it’s just a matter of Rodney officially blowing a save or two before a change is made.

 

4) Brad Peacock – Houston Astros (NR)
Current Closer – Ken Giles

The Astros’ bullpen has earned 1 SV this season, and that has gone to Peacock not Giles.  That came due to Giles’ being unavailable (he had worked the previous two days), but that doesn’t explain what happened on April 4.  Instead of turning to Giles in a 3-2 game the Astros stuck with Peacock, who pitched the final 3.0 innings (0 R, 2 H, 0 BB, 5 K) to notch the win and avoid giving anyone a save opportunity.

In regards to Giles he’s allowed runs in two of his four appearances, having allowed 2 ER on 6 H over 3.2 IP (4.91 ERA, 1.64 WHIP).  He also is coming off a terrible postseason, where he owned an 11.74 ERA and 2.22 WHIP over 7 appearances, and you have to wonder if the Houston leadership is starting to lose a little bit of faith in him.  The fact that Peacock earned the save shows he could be the man to step into the role, and that should put him on all radars.

 

5) A.J. Minter – Atlanta Braves (NR)
Current Closer – Arodys Vizcaino

Minter was one of the more hyped relievers entering the season, and while he has yet to give up a run in his four outings he has 0 K vs. 3 BB over 4.0 IP.  The lack of strikeouts is a concern, especially for a pitcher who was so electric in 2017:

  • Triple-A – 9.98 K/9 over 15.1 IP
  • Majors – 15.60 K/9 over 15.0 IP

Is it that he’s still warming up, with his velocity down (his fourseam fastball velocity has gone from 96.44 mph in ’17 to 94.85 in his first four appearances)?  It’s possible, though he was up to 96.22 mph in his most recent outing so it’s something we’ll have to watch closely.

The bottom line is that Vizcaino has shown some struggles in the past and has walked 6 batters over his first 4.2 IP.  It seems inevitable that a change comes, sooner or later, and Minter has the potential to be the long-term solution.

 

Keep An Eye On – Kirby Yates – San Diego Padres (4)
Current Closer – Brad Hand

Yates is being left off the rankings, for now, as we wait to hear how serious his injury is (he was lifted after one pitch over the weekend due to a leg injury).  If he were healthy, given the struggles of Hand Yates would’ve been the #3 ranking (and you could make the argument for him to take an even higher place).

 

Graduated:

  • Keynan Middleton – Los Angeles Angels (2) – He hasn’t officially earned a save, but all signs point towards it being his job and therefore he’s being removed from the list

 

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