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June Closer Thread 2018

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1 minute ago, hangin n wangin said:

His numbers aren’t even impressive.

 

Not recently but his career numbers including era, whip and k/bb belie just how unreliable he has been.

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1 hour ago, absknicks said:

It's not about bullpen ERA with the Astros. It's about which one of those guys you can trust to go into Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park in October and get big outs?

 

That's what the FO is going to ask themselves and if you ask Astros fans that question right now I highly doubt you'll get a confident answer out of them. That's why they need bullpen help, and it's readily apparent to anyone who's been watching them closely this season.

But how many relievers period are capable of that? They obviously aren't getting a Kimbrel Chapman. Paying for someone like Britton who you can't trust at this point makes no sense either. Which RPs are capable of going into Yankee Stadium or Fenway in October and getting those outs? And now which one of those do you think the Astros have 1) legit shot at 2) will actually pay for

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13 minutes ago, terminator10 said:

But how many relievers period are capable of that? They obviously aren't getting a Kimbrel Chapman. Paying for someone like Britton who you can't trust at this point makes no sense either. Which RPs are capable of going into Yankee Stadium or Fenway in October and getting those outs? And now which one of those do you think the Astros have 1) legit shot at 2) will actually pay for

 

Not responding to me but have to say that some may very well wilt under the pressure in that situation in those places. You take that chance with whoever you use to close games and hope your guy manages that atmosphere as he would a normal regular season game.  

 

The thing is Giles has already demonstrated an inability to get the job done.  I doubt he gets another chance to close a tight playoff game this year.

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I didn't realize how good Rondon has pitched this year until now...

 

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Those are some sexy numbers you want to see from a reliever. I may grab him for ratios, and maybe pray that he gets more save opps.

 

Rondon really got screwed over a couple years ago. Dude was nails for the Cubs in high leverage and eventually 9th, then they traded for Chapman and he just mailed it in after that (1.72 era pre ASB, 6.41 era post ASB).

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4 hours ago, terminator10 said:

But how many relievers period are capable of that? They obviously aren't getting a Kimbrel Chapman. Paying for someone like Britton who you can't trust at this point makes no sense either. Which RPs are capable of going into Yankee Stadium or Fenway in October and getting those outs? And now which one of those do you think the Astros have 1) legit shot at 2) will actually pay for

 

There's already been rumors of Houston trading for bullpen help, and usually where there's smoke there's fire.  I tend to agree that on the surface they have enough quality arms down there that they don't necessarily "need" it, but a team like the Astros in their win-now window also isn't going to sit on their hands at the deadline and do nothing.  Their bullpen is top-10 in the league, but where else on that team do they have any bigger holes to fill?  

 

Herrera has already been rumored to Houston, and while he's not in the elite tier of closers, you still have to think the Stros would feel better about throwing him into the 9th at Fenway than anything else they currently have.  Britton is a big question mark right now, but he's also shown he's been elite in the past, and the trade deadline isn't until July 31st - if he came back and pitched 4-6 weeks at an elite level again, I don't think anyone would call him someone you can't trust.  You can't trust him today, but if he comes out throwing fire then he regains that trust in a hurry.

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I personally think Houston's addition to the bullpen for the playoffs will be....

 

Lance McCullers.

 

The Astros can go with Cole, Velander, Morton and Keuchel as starters, and deploy McCullers pretty much anywhere - he could come in early if someone gets knocked out and give them three innings, or he could come in the 8th and nail down a six out save.  He did start in the playoffs last year initially, but we all remember him coming in the final game to nail things down for the title.

 

Now, this is assuming the team is in great shape at the trade deadline and knows they don't need a boost to get them there in the first place.

 

They could probably add maybe a shutdown lefty specialist instead and not pay a larger price for a closer like Herrera or Britton.

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Also wanted to add re: Houston, I guess as kind of a counter-argument to my own pro-trade argument above, is that once they get to the playoffs they likely aren't using their full rotation either.  Cole and Verlander are obviously locks to keep starting, and after that you have to think Keuchel likely too just because of his history/status on the team.  Morton has been nails, and McCullers would likely be on the outside looking in if the playoffs started today.  

 

So basically add McCullers (or Morton or whomever you think is odd man out) to that bullpen as well in the playoffs, and you have another guy that could have closer-stuff back there.  Scary.

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1 minute ago, RenegadeGM said:

I personally think Houston's addition to the bullpen for the playoffs will be....

 

Lance McCullers.

 

The Astros can go with Cole, Velander, Morton and Keuchel as starters, and deploy McCullers pretty much anywhere - he could come in early if someone gets knocked out and give them three innings, or he could come in the 8th and nail down a six out save.  He did start in the playoffs last year initially, but we all remember him coming in the final game to nail things down for the title.

 

Now, this is assuming the team is in great shape at the trade deadline and knows they don't need a boost to get them there in the first place.

 

They could probably add maybe a shutdown lefty specialist instead and not pay a larger price for a closer like Herrera or Britton.

 

Great minds . . .

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19 hours ago, JFS179 said:

Calloway could also be grooming Gsellman to take over for Familia post trade deadline.  I certainly have not completed my trade deadline research as to who should be traded and who shouldn't, but Familia is in the final year of his deal and is a UFA next year.  The Mets can certainly extend a QO to him if they keep him, but the risk there is landing a guy for basically double what he's being paid this year (~$15MM) when  Gsellman might be ready to step into the role for ~$650K.  If I'm the Mets, I'm trading Familia once they decide they're out of the race.  I would imagine he and Herrera are at the top of the wish list for bullpen needy teams.

 

This is a good point as well.  Just read an article that the Mets might be looking to trade one of Syndergaard or deGrom if they are out of it come trade deadline time, so if they are going to that length to pull in prospects, Familia you would think is absolutely on the block.

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3 hours ago, handyandy86 said:

 

This is a good point as well.  Just read an article that the Mets might be looking to trade one of Syndergaard or deGrom if they are out of it come trade deadline time, so if they are going to that length to pull in prospects, Familia you would think is absolutely on the block.

Wow.  Back up the prospect truck for one of those guys...  If that's true I would imagine all Mets are available. 

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1 minute ago, Sun Tzu said:

 

Who is the best for saves?

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1 minute ago, Sun Tzu said:

 

 

Gsellman seems like the odds-on favourite for Gsaves in the interim.

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CloserMonkey has Gsellman. He's been solid too ever since his implosion about a month ago. 

 

Swarzak has just been activated from the DL and only has 3 innings pitched all year. That being said. Gsellman has been in the Andrew miller role all year long

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See - told you guys to get Gsellman!

 

<<Shameless plug of getting one right due to zero of the factors at play when recommendation was made>>

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Are the Mets going to win any games during that time frame to require an interim closer ?

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13 minutes ago, The_Real_Deal said:

Are the Mets going to win any games during that time frame to require an interim closer ?

Thats what I'm telling myself having just missed out on Gsellman in two of my leagues. Gonna change my team name to 10 minutes too late. Ok in all seriousness tho CSB aside- Gsellman is probably the add. Although it wouldn't shock me if they gave Swarzak an opportunity eventually too seeing as they paid him a good chunk of change. So he's not a bad get if you missed on Gsellman. Its crazy how badly the Mets have fallen off of late they have like 2 wins the past 2 weeks. 

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1 hour ago, TexasBlueMoon said:

What about Lugo?

 

Lugo is starting on Sunday for Noah who was just scratched.

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36 minutes ago, Steelers72 said:

Rondon for the long term. Gsellman if you have Familia as his cuff

That is if he gets save opps.  No way of knowing if his save a couple of days ago was random or not.  They did use Giles last night to "finish" the game off, although it didn't go well again.

 

Swarzak is probably the best pitcher of the three actually, but it wouldn't surprise me if Gsellman gets first crack since he recently got a save opportunity for them before Familia was even hurt.

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smart money says gsellman...mick loves him

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doesn't really matter whos gonna be the closer for the mets. that team is so bad gsellman will be lucky to get 1 save opportunity while familia is out

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All this talk about Houston adding a CL, I'll be very curious to see what the price tag is for a Britton, a Herrera, possibly a Familia.  In hindsight, I bet Seattle grabbing Colome for a song will look like highway robbery.

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