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July Closer Thread 2018

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You may be right, however just because you are paid a ton of money doesnt mean the job is yours.  Cardinals signed Holland, what did that get them?  Melancon does have a player opt out clause after 2018  LOL.  Giants are surprising contenders with all the injuries they sustained early.  They will go with the best arm to close out and looking at the numbers, Will Smith has the best numbers.  Maybe they spent lots of money for Melancon to help out in bullpen.  Time will tell, but you may be right.  The contract might force the issue.

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1 hour ago, ASHLANDARROWS1992 said:

 

Why would he??..lol

his numbers are inferior to the fresh princes

Really?? Watson’s career ERA is a full 1.00 lower than Smith’s.

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1 hour ago, reichl555 said:

Don’t understand why Watson doesn’t get the nod over Smith.

 

Better ERA...better WHIP...lower BAA...better k/9...better FIP and xFIP and SIERA...higher SwStr%...less contact made on his pitches. Other than Watson's limited opportunities to close out games, I don't understand why you think Watson should get the nod over Smith. Smith has been a better pitcher this season. Watson is having a great season...Smith is having a better one. 

 

1 minute ago, reichl555 said:

Really?? Watson’s career ERA is a full 1.00 lower than Smith’s.

 

So? THIS season (the one in which Watson and Smith are currently playing) Smith is having the better season. One bad game by Smith can change all that, but one bad game by Watson can widen the gap. Up to this moment in this season, Smith has been the better pitcher. 

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I seriously almost dropped Smith when I saw Melancon was warming with a three-run lead.

 

Note to self: Do not read this thread when the game is in progress!

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@reichl555...what's the with the confusion. Do you disagree that Will Smith is having a superior 2018 season to Tony Watson? If so, please explain. I'm willing to change my position if you can show me that Watson is the better pitcher in 2018, which counts more than career numbers at this point. 

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Melancon just reminds me of Armando Benitez.  The Giants signed him to a big contract and he could never stay healthy.

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2 hours ago, Under500Forever said:

How are you guys feeling about Wily Peralta in KC? 

I know I could probably go back a few pages and find the answer but I’m feeling lazy. it’s 2:15am and I’m watching Jersey Shore Reruns. 

 

Here you go.

 

So far, he's got the job and no one in that bullpen will challenge him for the role = job security for now.

 

Edit: but then theres this article about KC building up his value and trading him as well: 

https://kingsofkauffman.com/2018/06/30/kansas-city-royals-wily-peralta-could-be-a-trade-piece/

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4 hours ago, En Votto Veritas said:

Bochy likes Watson as a lefty specialist. He won't close unless it's a lefty heavy inning at bat. 

 

The lefty specialst who typically faces more than one batter. Usually a full inning. In the 7th or 8th. In a hold situation.

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4 hours ago, En Votto Veritas said:

Bochy likes Watson as a lefty specialist. He won't close unless it's a lefty heavy inning at bat. 

 

Watson also has a very recent history of failing at being the closer.  Not saying he couldn't do it if given a second chance but everyone (including the manager) recalls this (as it was only last year) and everyone (including the manager) recalls how great he's been outside of that stretch.   In other words he's an amazing holds guy already and Bochy likely doesn't want to mess with that.   Smith on the other hand has never had a shot at the give, looks to have his shot now and is doing the job pretty darn well at the moment.  He'll likely not own it outright yet but he's the guy to own if you only have one spot for a SF reliever...

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9 hours ago, reichl555 said:

Really?? Watson’s career ERA is a full 1.00 lower than Smith’s.

 

career numbers are meaningless for this season

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Definitely don't see Watson closing. Decent guy to have if your league counts holds, though. Smith is the guy.

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43 minutes ago, ASHLANDARROWS1992 said:

 

career numbers are meaningless for this season

Your right.  But when your splitting hairs between stats it’s not.  Someone bring up both of their stats for this year and let’s compare.

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I think the real debate here should be Melancon vs Smith.

8-5 game yesterday and Watson was used in the 8th vs Owings, Jay, Dyson (8-9-1). Melancon then warming up for the 9th of an 8-5 game - Giants scored top 9 to make it 9-5 - but warming up for a save situation nonetheless and scheduled to face the 2-3-4 of Arizona's lineup. Obviously shows some trust in Melancon. 

Luckily for us Smith owners, Melancon went line out, fly out, single, single, single before being pulled for Smith to face lefty Jake Lamb in a now save situation.

 

Bottom line - Melancon was being called on to face the heart of a good team's lineup in a save situation. But he wasn't good! Smith gets called on with 2 outs, 2 on, 9-6 ball game in what would appear to be a good sign for his closing chances moving forward but however it was Lamb up so maybe Bochy just wanted lefty v lefty. 

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I completely agree with the SF situation being between Melancon and Smith at this point. Like @dchamps said there is still the possibility Bochy prefers Melancon given his intended usage in what was a save opp when he began warming up. The fact that he blew it once he entered the game in addition to Smith coming in doesn't bode well for Melancon. However, there was a lefty vs lefty matchup for Smith. Still a murky situation but if I had to choose I'm going with Smith given the way he's performed this year. 

 

How about the Toronto Situation? Anyone have a favorite to take that job and run with it between Oh and Clippard? Both are having good seasons and I personally think the likelihood of Osuna coming back and pitching this year is low. He still could very well be found guilty and face jail time which could result in his release from the Jays. 

 

Out of these two situations if given the chance to add one player for saves who do you feel most confident in providing the most value ROS?

 

Melancon (likely owned already in most leagues), Smith, Oh, or Clippard?

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Toronto situation is a weird one, as discussed at the end of the June thread.  I think they want to get Tepera back in the role (assuming this is the minimum stint, that's what I'd expect).  They weren't getting an MRI for Tepera, suggesting they're not that concerned.  Sometimes that's a good sign.  Sometimes that turns into Keynan Middleton.  

 

As for the interim, I do think they like Oh as a sort of fireman.  Gibbons mentioned that he likes knowing Oh is going to come in and throw strikes.  Clippard had pitched two in a row the day before Oh got the top of the 9th in a tie.  The day before that, Clippard got the 9th after Oh pitched the 8th.  

 

I'd put it 65/35 in favor of Clippard right now, but I think both should be owned if you're chasing saves.

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Shane Greene to the DL ... grab Jimenez anywhere he isn't already owned.  Shoulder strain for Greene.

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34 minutes ago, JFS179 said:

Shane Greene to the DL ... grab Jimenez anywhere he isn't already owned.  Shoulder strain for Greene.

Do you guys think Jimenez runs away with the job?

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4 minutes ago, jeffr913 said:

Do you guys think Jimenez runs away with the job?

He's basically all they have so he will keep the role while Greene is on the DL.   I suspect they try to get Greene back in the role when he comes back and prove he is healthy so they can trade him before the trade deadline.  

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Thoughts on the Giants and Strickland?.  Is everyone still holding him, hoping he gets the job back when he returns, or is it time to cut bait?  

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Gardenhire confirms it will be Jimenez:

 

 

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3 hours ago, reichl555 said:

Your right.  But when your splitting hairs between stats it’s not.  Someone bring up both of their stats for this year and let’s compare.

 

Their stats this year were brought up. Smith's are better. I didn't list them, but I told you the ones in which Smith is superior. 

 

But since you asked...

 

ERA...Smith 1.11, Watson 1.64

WHIP...Smith 0.70, Watson 0.91

BAA...Smith .122, Watson .203

K/9...Smith 12.71, Watson 9.63

FIP...Smith 1.18, Watson 1.94

xFIP...Smith 2.59, Watson 2.75

SIERA...Smith 2.11, Watson 2.62

SwStr%...Smith 18.1, Watson 12.9

Con%...Smith 65.5, Watson 74.8. 

 

Smith doesn't clean the board up though. Watson has a better walk rate and a better first-pitch-strike rate. Smith induces more swings on pitches outside the zone.

 

I'm honestly not sure why you think comparing "their stats for this year" will show that Watson is the better pitcher. What "stats for this year" do you look to that show Watson is the better pitcher in 2018? 

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27 minutes ago, jeffr913 said:

Do you guys think Jimenez runs away with the job?

Once they trade away Greene, yes. Until then I think Greene gets the job back. Jimenez has had a few clunkers recently. 

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2 minutes ago, AnonymousRob said:

Once they trade away Greene, yes. Until then I think Greene gets the job back. Jimenez has had a few clunkers recently. 

 

Yeah greene has to get the job back if they want to trade him (which they do).

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1 hour ago, JFS179 said:

Shane Greene to the DL ... grab Jimenez anywhere he isn't already owned.  Shoulder strain for Greene.

Well done. A half hour before all the other sites report it. More confirmation that this thread is still the best source for up to the minute closer info.

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