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Jonathon Isaac 2018-2019 Season Outlook

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8 minutes ago, brosephd said:

he'll either be anthony randolph or anthony davis lite by the end of the year. 

I would say his comp on the downside is Steph Curry during the bum ankle days and the upside is a AK47 hybrid of his rookie and sophomore season. I don't see any comp to AD regardless of how lite it is. He just doesn't have a role on this roster that will allow him to grow anywhere close to AD. His health is his downside. 

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I think his downside is his inability to generate any offense for himself. He can't score efficiently unless he's open. Magic also won't give him the ball on offense since there are 3 players who are much better offensively.

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46 minutes ago, bballshinobi said:

I think his downside is his inability to generate any offense for himself. He can't score efficiently unless he's open. Magic also won't give him the ball on offense since there are 3 players who are much better offensively.

Realistically, there is a very small number of players that can score efficiently when they aren't open. Most don't get the chance because every team usually has a guy on the floor that can get a shot off if the shot clock is winding down. The Magic have two players that think they are go to scorers that should shoot because they can get a shot off (Fournier and Gordon). A lot of times they are bad shots. I wouldn't say they are "better" at offense, they just don't give a f to assert themselves on offense and take shots. Vuc is by far their best offensive player. Isaac just needs to keep doing what he is doing. Eventually he will earn looks.

 

For fantasy, offense really isn't what we signed up for. Right? I mean did anyone project him to score 16+ points? Or were people in the 9-13 point range, 6-8.5 boards, and 2.5+ stocks...we came for the stocks and they represent a decent floor. Any offense you capture from Isaac is the upside, not the downside IMO. 

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2 hours ago, thezing1 said:

Realistically, there is a very small number of players that can score efficiently when they aren't open. Most don't get the chance because every team usually has a guy on the floor that can get a shot off if the shot clock is winding down. The Magic have two players that think they are go to scorers that should shoot because they can get a shot off (Fournier and Gordon). A lot of times they are bad shots. I wouldn't say they are "better" at offense, they just don't give a f to assert themselves on offense and take shots. Vuc is by far their best offensive player. Isaac just needs to keep doing what he is doing. Eventually he will earn looks.

 

For fantasy, offense really isn't what we signed up for. Right? I mean did anyone project him to score 16+ points? Or were people in the 9-13 point range, 6-8.5 boards, and 2.5+ stocks...we came for the stocks and they represent a decent floor. Any offense you capture from Isaac is the upside, not the downside IMO. 

 

 

This guy is spot on.

 

Regarding the comparison with AD, it's definitely a case of AD lite, lite, lite.  The only reason I used AD, and Giannis as comparisons is because of their body type, and ability to move that body.  Basketball skills wise, Isaac is not on the same planet as either.  Just remember though, Giannis was hot garbage coming into the league, but had "freakish" height, length, agility, and speed.  The ability to handle the ball, and find the open man convinced Kidd that he was special.  It took a few years for that vision to come to fruition. 

 

I see Isaac as a Giannis type build and at same age, offering better defense, and a smooth looking jumper, but other skills very, very limited.  As a 4th option on offense, there's nothing wrong with Isaac taking 3-4 three pointers a night in attempt to score 10-12 points, grab 8 rebounds, then potentially 1.5-2 stls and 1.5-2 blocks if he's on the court for 34mpg and avoids injury.  He's just that freakishly long, and coordinated.  It's crazy.  Isaac could end up with a put back per night, a lay up, and open shot to stumble into 10-12ppg, no problem.  No he can't create a shot but he'll be open here and there.  The real fun begins if/when this team acquires a play maker so they can move on from DJ Augustin.  

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I am sure he will be a good player but only hype for the moment.  0.9 steals per game, 1.1 blocks per game. 

Zach Collins is doing better for example. 

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Needs some injury to someone in the starting lineup for his usage to increase. Right now, he is just a defensive specialist that cannot create his own offense. We'll see as the season goes on and the magics rest of season outlook. Right now, I am holding steady for the upside in defensive stats.

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Im only here for the stocks so only getting one last night, quite the dissapointment. 

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5 hours ago, atlantadynasty said:

y'all dropped him that theres no one left to comment on another bad game? 

 

Think about how many good fa guys popped off since he’s been stinking it up

 

mcgruder

mcghee

bjelica

evan turner 

Wes Matthews 

ibaka

George hill 

 

isaacs just isn’t ready 

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7 minutes ago, Walk with me said:

 

 

Think about how many good fa guys popped off since he’s been stinking it up

 

mcgruder

mcghee

bjelica

evan turner 

Wes Matthews 

ibaka

George hill 

 

isaacs just isn’t ready 

 

Ibaka?? McGhee?? Those guys were never free agents in normal size leagues. The other guys u list either have short term value or are 1 cat guys. You own Isaac for the stocks and I wouldn’t own any of the guys u list over him not named McGhee or Ibaka who were never free agents anyway. 

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15 minutes ago, PuzzBeterson2 said:

McGee was an FA in most dynasty/keeper settings this year. 

 

Your not cutting Isaac in a dynasty league for McGee who is already 30. At least I hope not. 

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19 minutes ago, chud12 said:

 

Your not cutting Isaac in a dynasty league for McGee who is already 30. At least I hope not. 

 

He's just saying that while we hold Isaac, there are FA's blowing up left and right.  With the exception of Mcgee ( who was a free agent in my 14 team league to begin the season ), I don't think many of the free agent pick ups continue to play nearly as well.

 

The first thing I look at when picking up, or holding a fringe FA player is their minutes, and opportunity.  Isaac is on the court often, and starting.  No they don't run plays for him, but they are slowly bringing him along.  It's gonn tke time for him to evlop the confidence, but it's coming.  When it does, you want to be the guy owning him, cuz those stat lines could look pretty crazy.  

 

I'm still a strong hold on him unless Sean Gilgeous-Alexander get the starting nod w/ 32-35 mins, or Frank Ntkilina gets consistent on offense.  Guys like George Hill, Evan Turner, and Wes Matthews will have good weeks, but we know what they are.  Bjelica is too late to grab but he does look like a pick up that is playing great, and could keep it up, though.  Ibaka was owned in all competitive leagues....

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He was overhyped and your expectations are far too high. He played only 27 games last season, constantly injured. He wasn't ever able to play more than 9 games in a row. His frame is so thin and weak for his style of play and doesn't seem to have developed much from last season. He only scored over 10 ppg on 3 of those 27 games. For a stretch, the most minutes he played was about a 6 game stretch averaging about 26 mins and he put up pretty weak lines. 

 

He competes with Gordon and Vucevic for minutes and he will clearly never win that battle until if/when one is traded. Fournier also sometimes plays the 3 in smaller lineups and his offense is needed as well, even if I don't think he's a very good player. 

 

He has fantasy upside because of the mix of 3s blocks and steals. But i think he is a long way away from being good enough overall on offense at least to play a consistent big role. He's worth holding because he still usually gives some nice defensive stats, but he won't live up to hype

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3 minutes ago, Prsbest11 said:

The Magic will be out of the playoff run as usual, easy hold for me

 

There is hype on this guy, but it's for a reason, man.  Orlando isn't winning anything this season, and their offensive game plan is literally feed Vucevic.  Last year he had very little value and the front offices' job is to change that.  So far, so good.  The draft this year helped revitalize the importance of having a top big man on your team.  No, Vuc isn't athletic, but neither is Jokic, and he is crucial for his team's success.  Vuc to a lower extent, can help a team go from a fringe playoff team, to a problem for the top seeds.  The Clippers come to mind as a team having early success but lack a big man with enough experience to help them compete with the top teams.  Boston is another team that could use help with a big man, and have guards to spare.

 

Back to Isaac.  They are playing him out there with limited responsibility on purpose.  They don't want him involved much in the offense unless he has a wide open shot, or an easy put back right now.  He's coming off injury, and has very little experience in the league.  His job is to observe, and get used to the plays they are running.  That is going to slowly change when they go into tank mode.  This is the year Vuc has to get traded.  When they get a guard back, Isaac will be much more comfortable on the court, within the offense, and will have already been putting up 10-12 points, 6 rebounds, with 1 1/2 blocks / steals each.

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3 hours ago, chud12 said:

 

Ibaka?? McGhee?? Those guys were never free agents in normal size leagues. The other guys u list either have short term value or are 1 cat guys. You own Isaac for the stocks and I wouldn’t own any of the guys u list over him not named McGhee or Ibaka who were never free agents anyway. 

 

I mean.... again... he’s sucking right now. I have a quick trigger finger so if i see a box score and he pops off. Im willing to risk an old school Texas showdown in exchange for mcgruder and bjelica (1 of which I dropped for isaacs) my Ws/Ls are more important than waiting for this guy to blow up (which may never happen)

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13 minutes ago, Walk with me said:

 

I mean.... again... he’s sucking right now. I have a quick trigger finger so if i see a box score and he pops off. Im willing to risk an old school Texas showdown in exchange for mcgruder and bjelica (1 of which I dropped for isaacs) my Ws/Ls are more important than waiting for this guy to blow up (which may never happen)

 

I don't blame you.  I watch all of the Orlando games so I'm more excited about holding him and seeing the break out than some others.  I think his stats, overall, have been so much lower than expected that he may have fallen off the radar, or given up on for other hot FA's.  If you're quick, and obsessive like me haha, then I don't see anything wrong with playing the waiver wire while keeping a close eye on Orlando games and news.  If you see rumors of Vuc being shipped out, then immediately jump on Isaac.   I have a feeling there are calls being made and received right now.

 

Keep in mind that he is going to have the occasional 2 threes, 15 points, 10 rebounds, 3 stls, 2 blocks, and be one of the trending top adds multiple times this first half.  Picture Brandon Ingram's last game.  The trick is to catch him when he starts to compile these games together half of the time, or more.  Nobody knows when it'll happen, and in the second half, it almost definitely will.

 

 

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Some people in here need to take a deep breath and pause. You're not getting anyone on your WW with his upside. 

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Hold imo... I think Vooch will eventually get traded. I believe they'll go with the younger guys sooner than later (tank city). Bamba would fill Vucevics roll after, I think they're just pimping him out now with the stats hes putting up. Isaac is legit

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2 hours ago, Spyplane said:

Some people in here need to take a deep breath and pause. You're not getting anyone on your WW with his upside. 

Because we held him and passed on the others. He’s a hold if you’re winning and have a deep roster. But I wish I’d went for a Bjelica or Danny Green instead of holding Isaac now. 

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51 minutes ago, SuperHans said:

Because we held him and passed on the others. He’s a hold if you’re winning and have a deep roster. But I wish I’d went for a Bjelica or Danny Green instead of holding Isaac now. 

 

It's a balance between production now vs production later. Isaac is the type of player you invest in and reap the benefits at the end of the season during fantasy playoffs. Bjelica is super solid now, but you have to worry what his role will be at the end of the season when the Kings are safely out of playoff contention. 

 

The hope is that your team is solid enough to withstand certain high upside prospects that will, most likely, shine at the latter half of the season, or, take some time before they get into a groove. 

 

As tempting as Bjelica is, right now, I'd still find it hard to exchange him for Isaac, knowing Isaac's ROS is much more secure than Bjelica's. 

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1 hour ago, SuperHans said:

Because we held him and passed on the others. He’s a hold if you’re winning and have a deep roster. But I wish I’d went for a Bjelica or Danny Green instead of holding Isaac now. 

It seems like you are placing blame on others or discovering that hindsight is always 20/20. This thread is for information. No one is making blanket statements because every league is different and each individual must apply the context of their league. You have to make decisions for yourself and digest the information others are providing in this thread or watch a Magic game and see him for yourself. 

 

For those looking for daily updates/frustration posts that stuff isn't really the style of those posting in this thread. Personally, I know the risks with Isaac and I know it will be a volatile ride. I am still on the hustle to strengthen my roster, like everyone should be, but I don't see the need to post about Isaac after every single game. If you want analysis for the games I watch I will share it, but aside from that we can all read box scores. 

 

17 minutes ago, tremixt said:

 

It's a balance between production now vs production later. Isaac is the type of player you invest in and reap the benefits at the end of the season . 

 

The hope is that your team is solid enough to withstand certain high upside prospects that will, most likely, shine at the latter half of the season, or, take some time before they get into a groove. 

Exactly this. 

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2 hours ago, tremixt said:

 

It's a balance between production now vs production later. Isaac is the type of player you invest in and reap the benefits at the end of the season during fantasy playoffs. Bjelica is super solid now, but you have to worry what his role will be at the end of the season when the Kings are safely out of playoff contention. 

 

The hope is that your team is solid enough to withstand certain high upside prospects that will, most likely, shine at the latter half of the season, or, take some time before they get into a groove. 

 

As tempting as Bjelica is, right now, I'd still find it hard to exchange him for Isaac, knowing Isaac's ROS is much more secure than Bjelica's. 

Honestly, anyone who isn't planning for a slow start from these kinds of players shouldn't be drafting these kinds of players.

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3 hours ago, SuperHans said:

Because we held him and passed on the others. He’s a hold if you’re winning and have a deep roster. But I wish I’d went for a Bjelica or Danny Green instead of holding Isaac now. 

That's fantasy sports. You do your best and you make the most out of what you get. Dumping or selling low for inferior waiver trash isn't typically the correct answer to this sort of situation.

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