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Jonathon Isaac 2018-2019 Season Outlook

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On 10/12/2018 at 1:03 AM, ber said:

 

I am hoping Isaac can avg Andrei Kirilenko rookie season numbers this year and maybe less blocks and more 3s for 70 games then it will be a huge win for the GMs draft him at his current ADP.

Dang, AK47 was a stocks beast from the start. I don't know what ADP you are going off of for Isaac, but he has been going top 80 for me in my weekend drafts. He went as early as 61 in an 8 cat roto draft (12 team). Personally, I think he can get 3+ stocks when he is healthy. But he sure was an easier target in the 100's. Stocks are tough to find this year, especially blocks, but Isaac is going to be middle of the road in other cats. I would probably argue he is a better blocks source than a WCJ and JJJ type because he is more dynamic, but if you have to go 6th or 7th round pick to get him that is a little early for my preference. This is 8 cat for reference.  

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13 hours ago, My Dinner With Andre said:

Idk I get like a Tyrus Thomas or Corey Brewer vibe, no? Not in real life, just fantasy wise.

 

Edit: Brandan Wright, another one.

Isaac has a WAY higher basketball IQ than TT and Wright. In my opinion, it isn't even comparable. I get the comp you are making to their stat lines, but Isaac is just getting started. If he is healthy and the Magic don't screw him up, he has the upside to be top 15 in fantasy. He stocks potential is elite. He will develop into a 3 point threat. He has ballhandling skills and makes the right play. He isn't going to be an elite scorer IMO, but he is going to make up for it with all around contributions. 

 

TT and Wright were just springy jumpers that were athletes. Their actual basketball skill was not close to the level of Isaac...and I am talking about Isaac right now as a 21 year old and not after 4-6 years in the league. 

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15 hours ago, thezing1 said:

Isaac has a WAY higher basketball IQ than TT and Wright. In my opinion, it isn't even comparable. I get the comp you are making to their stat lines, but Isaac is just getting started. If he is healthy and the Magic don't screw him up, he has the upside to be top 15 in fantasy. He stocks potential is elite. He will develop into a 3 point threat. He has ballhandling skills and makes the right play. He isn't going to be an elite scorer IMO, but he is going to make up for it with all around contributions. 

 

TT and Wright were just springy jumpers that were athletes. Their actual basketball skill was not close to the level of Isaac...and I am talking about Isaac right now as a 21 year old and not after 4-6 years in the league. 

What's the timeline we're looking at here, assuming the Magic don't drop the ball with his development and barring injury?

How long for a top-40 lock? 

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27 minutes ago, tongs said:

What's the timeline we're looking at here, assuming the Magic don't drop the ball with his development and barring injury?

How long for a top-40 lock? 

 

I don't think this is the year for that top 40 leap. His offensive game is too raw and there are too many players eating in front of him. Isaac doesn't have the skill set to be the primary playmaker yet so he won't get that much usage/volume. Gordon, Fournier, and Vucevic are all better offensively players right now. Even in college Isaac only averaged 12 points. I think his role this year is just the secondary playmaker where he waits for the primary action (P&R, postup, or iso by those 3 players) then attack if the ball is swung to him on the weak side. 

 

A good comp for him this year is probably Paul George's 2nd year when PG averaged 10 shots a game: 12 points, 5.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.6 steals, and 0.6 blocks. Obviously Isaac will probably get more rebounds, less assists, less steals, and more blocks, but I think that's about the neighborhood of what you can expect. 

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For some reason I feel like he will be comparable to a year Moe Harkless was good. Maybe 2 years ago. Awesome guy at the end of your bench peppering defensive categories /3s/ rebs

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1 hour ago, bballshinobi said:

 

I don't think this is the year for that top 40 leap. His offensive game is too raw and there are too many players eating in front of him. Isaac doesn't have the skill set to be the primary playmaker yet so he won't get that much usage/volume. Gordon, Fournier, and Vucevic are all better offensively players right now. Even in college Isaac only averaged 12 points. I think his role this year is just the secondary playmaker where he waits for the primary action (P&R, postup, or iso by those 3 players) then attack if the ball is swung to him on the weak side. 

 

A good comp for him this year is probably Paul George's 2nd year when PG averaged 10 shots a game: 12 points, 5.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.6 steals, and 0.6 blocks. Obviously Isaac will probably get more rebounds, less assists, less steals, and more blocks, but I think that's about the neighborhood of what you can expect. 

I think that is a pretty good comp to PG's second year. I think they are trying to get Isaac to play the 3 on offense and the 4 on defense. Gordon would be the 4 on offense and the 3 on defense. He is just not there yet physically. If he was I would be more confident with more boards. Either way, if he plays 24+ mpg he is smashing 2+ stocks. 

 

Isaac's game is so fantasy friendly, but this year the Magic will still feed Vuc, Gordon and Fournier. Isaac probably needs a healthy offseason or two to develop skill and bulk up before he is that lock top option. I guess I see his progression being more like...top 80ish....Top 45ish.....Top 15ish. But those ankles have to stay healthy. 

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i'll be monitoring his boxscore possibly game very closely on weds. still available in my 10 team, but the only players i have expendable is mirotic or levert. i think isaac has game changing skills for his stocks and 3's but his injury proneness does scare me. 

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2 hours ago, thezing1 said:

Isaac's game is so fantasy friendly, but this year the Magic will still feed Vuc, Gordon and Fournier. Isaac probably needs a healthy offseason or two to develop skill and bulk up before he is that lock top option. I guess I see his progression being more like...top 80ish....Top 45ish.....Top 15ish. But those ankles have to stay healthy. 


If he stays healthy I think he's in for a pretty solid season.  His only competition for minutes at his position is Terrence Ross, as Simmons will be tagged to fill the backup 1 and 2 positions.  Other wing players that could take minutes are like Wesley Iwundu, and that's it.  Yea he'll be generally the fourth or fifth option scoring wise, but it's not like you're picking him up to grab you points.    

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3 minutes ago, papocrain said:

Do you think Yahoo should provide Isaan the SF position? I think they should as he will be playing in both positions this year.

 

Please support adding of SF to Isaac in Yahoo by providing your vote through this link --> https://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/206157-fantasy-basketball/suggestions/35714713-jonathan-isaac-sf-eligibility

 

It usually takes a few games before they add additional positional eligibility 

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2 minutes ago, papocrain said:

Do you think Yahoo should provide Isaan the SF position? I think they should as he will be playing in both positions this year.

 

Please support adding of SF to Isaac in Yahoo by providing your vote through this link --> https://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/206157-fantasy-basketball/suggestions/35714713-jonathan-isaac-sf-eligibility

 

Could they move Andre Drummond to SF, they already have him at PF and believe it or not he plays SF as much as he does PF.

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3 hours ago, bballshinobi said:

 

I don't think this is the year for that top 40 leap. His offensive game is too raw and there are too many players eating in front of him. Isaac doesn't have the skill set to be the primary playmaker yet so he won't get that much usage/volume. Gordon, Fournier, and Vucevic are all better offensively players right now. Even in college Isaac only averaged 12 points. I think his role this year is just the secondary playmaker where he waits for the primary action (P&R, postup, or iso by those 3 players) then attack if the ball is swung to him on the weak side. 

 

A good comp for him this year is probably Paul George's 2nd year when PG averaged 10 shots a game: 12 points, 5.6 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.6 steals, and 0.6 blocks. Obviously Isaac will probably get more rebounds, less assists, less steals, and more blocks, but I think that's about the neighborhood of what you can expect. 

Isaac only played 25 MPG in college. He made 50% of his shots, 60% from inside the arc. 12 PPG on eight shots isnt bad. I could see him matching that.

 

Also he averaged 1.2 steals last season in 20 MPG. I could see him beating that this year if his minutes go up.

 

He has the potential to get a couple blocks per game. 

 

 

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On 2018年10月15日 at 11:08 AM, thezing1 said:

Dang, AK47 was a stocks beast from the start. I don't know what ADP you are going off of for Isaac, but he has been going top 80 for me in my weekend drafts. He went as early as 61 in an 8 cat roto draft (12 team). Personally, I think he can get 3+ stocks when he is healthy. But he sure was an easier target in the 100's. Stocks are tough to find this year, especially blocks, but Isaac is going to be middle of the road in other cats. I would probably argue he is a better blocks source than a WCJ and JJJ type because he is more dynamic, but if you have to go 6th or 7th round pick to get him that is a little early for my preference. This is 8 cat for reference.  

 

I drafted Isaac around middle of 9th round in 2 of the 9 cats roto league (12 teams) i played this year. Most GMs in my leagues have injury concerns about him. I agree that if you draft Isaac in 6th or 7th round, it's kind of too much risk to spend that high of a pick on him. However i am very optimistic about Isaac this year that he can play 70 games and avg 10 pts, 5 rebs , 1.5 stls and 1.5 blocks with 1 3s, 45% FG and 76% FT this year.

8 hours ago, tongs said:

What's the timeline we're looking at here, assuming the Magic don't drop the ball with his development and barring injury?

How long for a top-40 lock? 

 

Normally players show good progress in year 2 and go on to have a breakout season in year 3. If Isaac can avg the numbers i predict this year then i think he will reach top 40 value as soon as next season.

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48 minutes ago, ber said:

I drafted Isaac around middle of 9th round in 2 of the 9 cats roto league (12 teams) i played this year. Most GMs in my leagues have injury concerns about him. I agree that if you draft Isaac in 6th or 7th round, it's kind of too much risk to spend that high of a pick on him. However i am very optimistic about Isaac this year that he can play 70 games and avg 10 pts, 5 rebs , 1.5 stls and 1.5 blocks with 1 3s, 45% FG and 76% FT this year.

I don't think he is a bad pick in the top 80. I just think you need to be prepared for him to miss games. He is built for fantasy. Even at those modest numbers you listed he would easily return top 75 value. I would love to see his minutes in high 20's to start and get to the low 30s by the end of the season. 

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He's the kind of player who has the upside to win you a league when you consider the price of admission.

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16 hours ago, Spyplane said:

Typically people don't call top 70 players end of the bench players.

he's at the end of my bench 12 team. There is a lot of good players out there in the nba. ESPN rankings are a little crazy though. Gary Harris and Otto Porter are ranked not even top 60 there I think. 

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Is this guy any good in points leagues or is he just a defensive specialist?

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38 minutes ago, pushaZ said:

Is this guy any good in points leagues or is he just a defensive specialist?

 

He was able to pull a 15/8 line in 17 minutes the game before last.  He's not going to be a double double threat, but I think he'll get enough points, rebounds, steals, and blocks to roster for 12 man points leagues.  It depends who you have on your bench.

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I grabbed him at pick 91, and I'm super excited... He looked good in Summer League physically, and I hope he's able to play a bit more of the 3 now that Orlando's likely gonna keep Gordon at the 4. That team is a mess. This dude will hopefully be a stocks monster, with some sprinkling of scoring and rebs

 

My biggest fear is that he turns into Anthony Randolph 2.0... Good to know there's a support group for that in this thread, in case things do go south :P

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17 hours ago, Spyplane said:

If Isaac is your 12th guy then you must have an amazing team.

What if you whiffed on rounds 4-9 :D

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health is the only thing that is stopping him. even if he has a bad offensive night he will do stuff in the reb's and stocks department

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18 hours ago, Spyplane said:

If Isaac is your 12th guy then you must have an amazing team.

 

I actually got isaac with the last pick in the draft... 156. lol hes ranked like 256

 

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