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Jack Doyle 2018 Outlook

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12 hours ago, dannyz6969 said:

121 yards and a td last time they faced. today? nothing. Smh

Nothing? 60 yd is nothing for a TE these days?

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Is there cause for concern that he's only the between the 20's type of guy, and the other red-zone targets will take away from Doyle? I really think Ebron scoring TD's is a big concern.

 

I'd almost rather get Kittle on the waivers and drop Doyle so that I can get week-winning upside. Just think Doyle's a high-floor guy but no ceiling right now. He's fine- but Kittle could get you 4-5 more PPG.

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28 minutes ago, PlayTheWaivers said:

Is there cause for concern that he's only the between the 20's type of guy, and the other red-zone targets will take away from Doyle? I really think Ebron scoring TD's is a big concern.

 

I'd almost rather get Kittle on the waivers and drop Doyle so that I can get week-winning upside. Just think Doyle's a high-floor guy but no ceiling right now. He's fine- but Kittle could get you 4-5 more PPG.

If you drafted Doyle, you obviously went with the "wait for TE" approach. I am not sure you can play that strategy and also concern yourself with "week-winning upside" as you mentioned. 

 

You are probably better off going with the high-floor guys when you take this approach because those high-ceiling guys also have low floors and can become week-losing downside guys. 

 

Also, it has been one game, so...

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Lol @ people complaining about 7 catches for 60 yards. Guys, he lost a fumbe -- that's why his point total was so low. Relax. He's a TE1.

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On 9/10/2018 at 3:12 AM, Boudewijn said:

Nothing? 60 yd is nothing for a TE these days?

 

Greg Olsen goes down. Delanie Walker gets hurt. Burton gets 1 Rec. and people in the DOYLE THREAD are complaining because dude got 7 REC?!?!?!?! Unbelievable. 

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Exactly. He had a fine game just was only targeted too late and this crappy fumble. Otherwise he would have gotten 11 points in half ppr and this is TE3 territory for week 1.

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1 hour ago, PlayTheWaivers said:

Is there cause for concern that he's only the between the 20's type of guy, and the other red-zone targets will take away from Doyle? I really think Ebron scoring TD's is a big concern.

 

I'd almost rather get Kittle on the waivers and drop Doyle so that I can get week-winning upside. Just think Doyle's a high-floor guy but no ceiling right now. He's fine- but Kittle could get you 4-5 more PPG.

 

Not really. Who else will they throw to? Ebron is a RZ threat. Maybe Grant? Doyle will get his. I wouldn't be surprised if he leads the team in TDs. Hilton isn't much of a RZ receiver outside of what we saw Sunday with a quick slant. 

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1 hour ago, PlayTheWaivers said:

Is there cause for concern that he's only the between the 20's type of guy, and the other red-zone targets will take away from Doyle? I really think Ebron scoring TD's is a big concern.

 

I'd almost rather get Kittle on the waivers and drop Doyle so that I can get week-winning upside. Just think Doyle's a high-floor guy but no ceiling right now. He's fine- but Kittle could get you 4-5 more PPG.

 

Well I would've had Kittle ranked higher than Doyle coming into the season. I think his ADP was higher. So I don't know if that's the comparison I'm going with here.

 

Yes, ultimately I do think Doyle is less of a RZ threat. I think most did depict him as a more half to full PPR centric TE. Of course he COULD get TDs, because they're flukey, and he's likely to get SOME but he's more of a Rec/Yard TE than a RZ threat TE, and has been most of his career. 

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32 minutes ago, martinjlm said:

Now what?

 

Still running routes, but if he's just a between the 20s guy....and Ebron gets every single TD...might as well just stream the position.

 

Still think he's kind of a hold...but...barely. Only thing he has going for him is his floor. If you need a boom/bust TE to help your team, should go that route. 

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From Stephen Holder @HolderStephen Colts beat writer:

“I've gone back and watched a ton of the Colts' offense from yesterday. Let me say this: Jack Doyle was destroying people as a blocker in the running game. Frank Reich said it's the best he's seen him block. 

 

This is ridiculous stuff, man. I have a recap coming soon.”

 

I waited on Doyle in the draft based on his previous success with Luck, and I believed Ebron would continue to be ineffective. Doyle’s bromance with Luck made me feel stronger that he was a good value pick with upside. 

Turns out, he’s an awesome teammate satisfied with blocking, while being completely uninterested in scoring points for our fantasy teams. 

 

Sad. 

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5 hours ago, candygram4mongo said:

From Stephen Holder @HolderStephen Colts beat writer:

“I've gone back and watched a ton of the Colts' offense from yesterday. Let me say this: Jack Doyle was destroying people as a blocker in the running game. Frank Reich said it's the best he's seen him block. 

 

This is ridiculous stuff, man. I have a recap coming soon.”

 

I waited on Doyle in the draft based on his previous success with Luck, and I believed Ebron would continue to be ineffective. Doyle’s bromance with Luck made me feel stronger that he was a good value pick with upside. 

Turns out, he’s an awesome teammate satisfied with blocking, while being completely uninterested in scoring points for our fantasy teams. 

 

Sad. 

 

Thanks for posting. Looks like I'll be streaming from this point forward. 

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Eventually teams will start accounting for Ebron in the redzone leading to Doyle catching a few of his own. Doyle is the full time tight end on this team and his opportunities will come. He played on 59 to Ebron's 17 snaps. Ebron is a redzone specialist and after two straight TD's he will be on the other teams game plan. Another thing of note is he lead the team in redzone targets in week one. Stay the course here. Especially in .5/PPR formats

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14 hours ago, PlayTheWaivers said:

 

Thanks for posting. Looks like I'll be streaming from this point forward. 

 

I’m still holding Doyle, FWIW.  

But I’ll be trying to pick up Dissly, ASJ or RSJ as a back up plan. 

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Doyle snap count week 1: 77 - 94% 10 targets

Doyle snap count week 2: 59 - 97% 5 targets

 

Ebron snap count week 1: 37 - 45% 5 targets 

Ebron snap count week 2: 17 - 28% 4 targets

 

Everything is going to be okay guys... patience.

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Donezo per CBS:

 

This is the point where I'm supposed to tell you Jack Doyle is dominating Ebron in targets. That Doyle also has more catches and yards than Ebron. That touchdows aren't predictable and you should trust Doyle's volume. But I won't. For one thing, Doyle has turned 15 targets into 80 yards. Last year he had just 690 yards on 108 targets. He's not good. But most importantly, I think the target shift has already started. In Week 1 Doyle saw 20 percent of the team's targets, Ebron just 10 percent. In Week 2 they didn't have to throw as often, but Doyle saw his share shrink to 16 percent and Ebron's climb to 13 percent. With that type of split, Ebron is going to be the better option in Fantasy.

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If Doyle is your starting TE, you probably should look to stream, plenty of options that have better chances at every other week TDs. 

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8 hours ago, Dirtywater97 said:

Doyle snap count week 1: 77 - 94% 10 targets

Doyle snap count week 2: 59 - 97% 5 targets

 

Ebron snap count week 1: 37 - 45% 5 targets 

Ebron snap count week 2: 17 - 28% 4 targets

 

Everything is going to be okay guys... patience.

 

playing more snaps but looks like he is doing more blocking than anything else

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1 minute ago, daethfromabove1979 said:

 

playing more snaps but looks like he is doing more blocking than anything else

 

Exactly, we only care about routes run for  TE, that's the stat you should compare between Ebron and Doyle.

 

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If they thought so highly of Ebron why would they reduce his snap count share week 2? 28% of snaps does not scream to me: priority player. I don't know, color me not concerned.

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