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Myles Turner 2018-2019 Season Outlook

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IS THIS REAL LIFE ? :D  
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DA HYPE IS REAL, AGAIN !!!

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40 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

We doing this again this year?

Yeah this is probably gonna be a 60-page terrible thread again where I have to explain math to people in vain, looking forward to getting a million blocks from this guy in a the 5th-6th round and doing well whether he busts or not because I know how to play fantasy basketball

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this year's hype cannot exceed last year's hype...i traded him and marquese chriss for tatum fultz and bender in a dynasty league last season. 

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I mean really, he's a professional athlete he's supposed to look like that years ago.  Maybe it speaks to motivation to get better, and can translate into marginally better performance, but really all you need to do is cut some carbs and your body burns fat like a furnace.  I'm more ripped than him and I don't even work out. 

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Not that it matters but that is pretty standard for elite athletes to look like that at end of season/start of season.

Pre-season is the opportunity to get fitness levels and strength as high as possible so they end up looking alot more 'athletic' for game 1. During season is mostly about maintaining the level of fitness and strength, staying on the court and keeping skills up (hardly any 'intense' training outside of games), so they end up not in as good shape as start of season. 

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On 7/23/2018 at 8:57 PM, hipriest69 said:

he's just more sweaty in the second pic

 

Good, he's not afraid to break a sweat this season.

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On 7/23/2018 at 5:37 PM, StifleTower2 said:

I have him as a $13 keeper in an auction league so I hope the hype is real.  

 

that price is unreal. he was going for north of $30 last season. 

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13 minutes ago, BetterCallHinkie said:

 

that price is unreal. he was going for north of $30 last season. 

I’ve had him since his rookie year and in that league you keep players for their cost the previous year +10% but at a minimum of $11. So if you can get a rookie for $10 you can keep them for basically their entire career for under $20.  

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After shocking me in his rookie season, he has been a disappointment or at least over drafted in years after. With that said, if he is available round 5, I am going to draft him for the blocks

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Saw the video of USA camp where he was playing 1-on-1 against KD, PG13...there is definitely value in the 5th round.

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Still a block specialist with other cats sprinkled in. Just know what you're getting. 

 

This guy can't create his own shot so I wouldn't ever expect breakout scoring. The rebounds are what confuse me, how does a guy this big and athletic average 6.5 last year. Either out of shape or lack of effort.

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55 minutes ago, greatestmetfan said:

Still a block specialist with other cats sprinkled in. Just know what you're getting. 

 

This guy can't create his own shot so I wouldn't ever expect breakout scoring. The rebounds are what confuse me, how does a guy this big and athletic average 6.5 last year. Either out of shape or lack of effort.

Some guys just aren't good rebounders. Porzingis is what, 7'2", and he doesn't really pull down that many rebounds for a guy his size. That's just one example. Turner might not ever be a big rebounder. I personally probably won't have any shares this year but there is still potential.

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1 hour ago, greatestmetfan said:

Still a block specialist with other cats sprinkled in. Just know what you're getting. 

 

This guy can't create his own shot so I wouldn't ever expect breakout scoring. The rebounds are what confuse me, how does a guy this big and athletic average 6.5 last year. Either out of shape or lack of effort.

This is just a fundamental misunderstanding of how big men work.

 

First off, Turner is big? He's kind of tall, sure, but look at him, his body has a long way to go in terms of strength, assuming he ever gets there.

 

As was noted, there are plenty of bigs that don't rebound well. Most of them either block shots or rebound. Few have the reflexes to contest a shot, come back down, get in position, block someone out, and get the rebound. You're usually good at one or the other. Turner, like many centers with his type of natural gifts, goes for blocks.

 

Finally, go take a refresher on the best of the best of rebounders of all-time. They're basically all 6'6".

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18 minutes ago, miasma16 said:

Finally, go take a refresher on the best of the best of rebounders of all-time. They're basically all 6'6".

 

I just did.  Found  this helpful site:  https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_per_g_top_10.html

Westbrook is one, he was 10th last year. 

Let me find another one who is 6' 6" or shorter.   Still looking...

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13 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

 

I just did.  Found  this helpful site:  https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_per_g_top_10.html

Westbrook is one, he was 10th last year. 

Let me find another one who is 6' 6" or shorter.   Still looking...

What? Dennis Rodman? Charles Barkley? Bill Russell? Ben Wallace? Those might literally be the Top 3 rebounders of all-time excluding Wallace. Height is irrelevant to rebounding after hitting a certain barrier of entry. 

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19 minutes ago, miasma16 said:

What? Dennis Rodman? Charles Barkley? Bill Russell? Ben Wallace? Those might literally be the Top 3 rebounders of all-time excluding Wallace. Height is irrelevant to rebounding after hitting a certain barrier of entry. 

 Just curious, what would be that barrier?  6'6"?  6'9"?

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1 minute ago, Gile Pile said:

 Just curious, what would be that barrier?  6'6"?  6'9"?

I mean historically, I think 6'6" has been a pretty consistent barrier. Barkley is an amazing rebounder (could be shorter than 6'6“, but that's splitting hairs)... Chuck Hayes has recently been a useful center at 6'6"... I think you need to be a minimum of 6'6" to be effective in the paint. But while that's based on empirical evidence, it's very much just an opinion.

 

I think the more height, the better, in terms of effectiveness as a big, assuming you don't lose agility, speed, etc. as a result. And I think Moses Malone is probably my #2 rebounder of all-time, and most guys outside the 4 I listed are at least 6'10". But I also think that rebounding has very little correlation with height. I think strength (leg, mostly) and position/board intelligence, plus that second bounce ability, are 95% of the equation. This as someone that's extensively studied why Dennis Rodman was so effective. 

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15 minutes ago, miasma16 said:

I mean historically, I think 6'6" has been a pretty consistent barrier. Barkley is an amazing rebounder (could be shorter than 6'6“, but that's splitting hairs)... Chuck Hayes has recently been a useful center at 6'6"... I think you need to be a minimum of 6'6" to be effective in the paint. But while that's based on empirical evidence, it's very much just an opinion.

 

I think the more height, the better, in terms of effectiveness as a big, assuming you don't lose agility, speed, etc. as a result. And I think Moses Malone is probably my #2 rebounder of all-time, and most guys outside the 4 I listed are at least 6'10". But I also think that rebounding has very little correlation with height. I think strength (leg, mostly) and position/board intelligence, plus that second bounce ability, are 95% of the equation. This as someone that's extensively studied why Dennis Rodman was so effective. 

It’s crazy to think of how short the round mound of rebound was relative to other bigs.  I’m not sure I agree with your broader point but at least with Barkley I know that being shorter could have been helpful as he used that round body of his to box out.  Conversely, blocking shots requires a different set of skills, being tall helps but it’s also jumping ability, timing, athleticism etc.  Another point that I didn’t see others make is that stretch fours such as Ibaka and Turner are often going to be out of position for an offensive rebound.  Then on the other end, as you stated, they are contesting shots as opposed to going for a rebound.  Maybe Turner can improve but otherwise I dont think he’s lazy just because he doesn’t grab 10 rpg. In fact, unless it’s obvious I never assume the reason why a player is weak in something is laziness, rather I assume there is a strategic reason for it or he’s just I inherently not good at it.  So I agree with you that there are good reasons why Turner isn’t good at rebounding.  

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