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Myles Turner 2018-2019 Season Outlook

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On 8/14/2018 at 9:01 AM, hipriest69 said:

 

All good man.  My last post on Allen, sorry for taking up some real estate on the Turner thread.  In those multi-block games he had four 4 block games, one 5 block game, and 3 3 block games.  That doesn't happen by accident.  In two of those games he played exactly 30 minutes.  One was slightly over 30.  The rest were accomplished in under 30 min/game.  I understand if you don't think it's real, but I and a lot of others certainly do.  I'm taking the over on 2 blocks / game.  

Maybe just don't get too excited.  I think Allen for sure gets there, but maybe not this coming year, but the year or two after.  Like others have said, it's partly coaching too.  Partially I think just player development.  Not easy for a rookie center to learn the intricacies of a NBA defense.  

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All that being said, looking at who's available in the 5th - 6th round its hard to pass up on some of those players in that range for Allen.  I would probably try to wait it out til the 7th, but there's a good chance someone will grab him before then :(

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I really feel he'll break out this season. Last year was a down year for him and he changed his diet to go from 14% body fat to 7%.

He has also been doing yoga too and it really helps as an athlete.

 

But as a center, he needs to get more rebounds. I feel that his points and blocks will increase.

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5 hours ago, javin said:

I really feel he'll break out this season. Last year was a down year for him and he changed his diet to go from 14% body fat to 7%.

He has also been doing yoga too and it really helps as an athlete.

 

But as a center, he needs to get more rebounds. I feel that his points and blocks will increase.


TY for the repeat of everything that has been said

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I'm not sure why people are worried about Sabonis and O'Quinn.  Sabonis may be solid, but he works better with the second unit especially with the great pick and roll chemistry between him and Tyreke (no team would even dare start him in the first unit).  If anything, Sabonis at worst will limit Turner's ceiling, which will make Turner at worst a upper-middle round pick (around 5th-6th round).

 

As for O'Quinn, well, he was more of a role player with above average stats by playing for the depleted Knicks.  However, he'll have stiff competition with Sabonis.  Also, Turner has much more to offer as a player especially with his shooting ability and range, and Turner does have some defensive skills.

 

When you pick up Myles Turner, you should know what you are getting.  I got him at the fourth round for the blocks, relatively safe efficiency (except for foul trouble ofc), and capable scoring.  Also, Myles Turner never struck me as a dominant rebounder (he reminded me of Serge Ibaka without the coaches and managers who force him to do everything at once) especially when people took notice of him for his shooting and blocking during his rookie season.  If people are worried about rebounding, that's actually a category that is relatively easy to fill up as there are a lot of players below his ADP who are great rebounders.  Plus, Myles Turner is a more of a finesse type of center, so you can definitely get creative with him in your line-ups while most of centers are relatively one dimensional like DeAndre Jordan or Dwight Howard.  Also, waivers can sometimes have a good amount of rebound specialists, as big men tend to get injured more easily than their smaller counterparts.

 

Also, finally, with his Turner's skill set and his role as the second option for the rising Pacers, Turner has the ideal environment to make a comeback for this season.  I cannot say if Turner has the champion's mentality like Oladipo; however, he shows the right attitude that will make him a future star (I mean if you want huge disappointment, then we can talk about Andrew Wiggins all day!).

 

Yeah, he was disappointing last season, but I think there's a very strong chance that he will at least be worth his ADP.

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7 hours ago, hansonslee said:

I'm not sure why people are worried about Sabonis and O'Quinn.  Sabonis may be solid, but he works better with the second unit especially with the great pick and roll chemistry between him and Tyreke (no team would even dare start him in the first unit).  If anything, Sabonis at worst will limit Turner's ceiling, which will make Turner at worst a upper-middle round pick (around 5th-6th round).

 

As for O'Quinn, well, he was more of a role player with above average stats by playing for the depleted Knicks.  However, he'll have stiff competition with Sabonis.  Also, Turner has much more to offer as a player especially with his shooting ability and range, and Turner does have some defensive skills.

 

When you pick up Myles Turner, you should know what you are getting.  I got him at the fourth round for the blocks, relatively safe efficiency (except for foul trouble ofc), and capable scoring.  Also, Myles Turner never struck me as a dominant rebounder (he reminded me of Serge Ibaka without the coaches and managers who force him to do everything at once) especially when people took notice of him for his shooting and blocking during his rookie season.  If people are worried about rebounding, that's actually a category that is relatively easy to fill up as there are a lot of players below his ADP who are great rebounders.  Plus, Myles Turner is a more of a finesse type of center, so you can definitely get creative with him in your line-ups while most of centers are relatively one dimensional like DeAndre Jordan or Dwight Howard.  Also, waivers can sometimes have a good amount of rebound specialists, as big men tend to get injured more easily than their smaller counterparts.

 

Also, finally, with his Turner's skill set and his role as the second option for the rising Pacers, Turner has the ideal environment to make a comeback for this season.  I cannot say if Turner has the champion's mentality like Oladipo; however, he shows the right attitude that will make him a future star (I mean if you want huge disappointment, then we can talk about Andrew Wiggins all day!).

 

Yeah, he was disappointing last season, but I think there's a very strong chance that he will at least be worth his ADP.

second option for the Pacers?I really doubt it

although it's pre-season only,but he shows nothing major improvement,always non-factor in offense,he looks passive and sloppy

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22 minutes ago, Code of Hammurabi said:


I'd rather pay that for Myles Turner than have Tristan Thompson and his contract, or Mahimni, Or Biyombo's old deal in orlando, or Mozgov's old deal with the lakers...

or Noah's deal with the knicks. The main difference is that Myles Turner knows how to shoot a basketball

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9 minutes ago, BrowKnees said:


I'd rather pay that for Myles Turner than have Tristan Thompson and his contract, or Mahimni, Or Biyombo's old deal in orlando, or Mozgov's old deal with the lakers...

or Noah's deal with the knicks. The main difference is that Myles Turner knows how to shoot a basketball

God I can’t really argue cus he does make 3s but boy do I want to. This dude laid off so many 2/12s for me last year. 

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1 hour ago, Portis4Potus said:

God I can’t really argue cus he does make 3s but boy do I want to. This dude laid off so many 2/12s for me last year. 

Same here man, took him 17th last season and barely managed to take the championship no thanks to him.

 

Taken early 4th this season by a smart guy in my league...let's see how yoga boy does.

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51 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

Overpay for Myles. Sabonis is the future.

 

Lol. Sabonis can't play a lick of defense.

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4 minutes ago, CORTEz said:

 

Lol. Sabonis can't play a lick of defense.

 

And Turner is about as inconsistent when it comes to offense sometimes even looking offensively challenged. 

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4 hours ago, BrowKnees said:


I'd rather pay that for Myles Turner than have Tristan Thompson and his contract, or Mahimni, Or Biyombo's old deal in orlando, or Mozgov's old deal with the lakers...

or Noah's deal with the knicks. The main difference is that Myles Turner knows how to shoot a basketball

Very unfair comparison to make without context. The NBA just had a massive cap spike when the majority of those deals were done. Almost all of the contracts look horrendous from that offseason where they were handing out 12-15 mil a year contracts like Oprah hands out cars.

 

I just don't understand the timing of the extension. Doesn't seem worth the discounted price to assume all the risk of the upcoming season at this savings level. I would rather see Myles prove and then have to max him out. Hopefully he balls this year. It would be fun to see the Pacers assemble something around Dipo and Myles. 

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7 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

 

And Turner is about as inconsistent when it comes to offense sometimes even looking offensively challenged. 


Let's talk once we get through the first couple weeks of the season. 

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3 minutes ago, thezing1 said:

Very unfair comparison to make without context. The NBA just had a massive cap spike when the majority of those deals were done. Almost all of the contracts look horrendous from that offseason where they were handing out 12-15 mil a year contracts like Oprah hands out cars.

 

I just don't understand the timing of the extension. Doesn't seem worth the discounted price to assume all the risk of the upcoming season at this savings level. I would rather see Myles prove and then have to max him out. Hopefully he balls this year. It would be fun to see the Pacers assemble something around Dipo and Myles. 


Okay, how about steven adams 4 year 100 million dollar contract signed before the 2017 season. Non centers: Ibaka 3 years 65 million, Millsap 2 years 60+ million. I assume your gripe with the deal is that they could be stuck with him for 4 years. Did you think Dipo was worth his 4 year 85 million deal before he balled out last year? Now it is a bargain deal assuming he maintains that level of play. Even if turner doesn't improve he is going to be worth his contract (assuming his play doesn't decline), It's a pretty good deal for a young shot blocker who can shoot the ball. It really wouldn't surprise me if a team like the nets offered Turner a max contract if he was a free agent this past offseason.

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1 hour ago, BrowKnees said:


Okay, how about steven adams 4 year 100 million dollar contract signed before the 2017 season. Non centers: Ibaka 3 years 65 million, Millsap 2 years 60+ million. I assume your gripe with the deal is that they could be stuck with him for 4 years. Did you think Dipo was worth his 4 year 85 million deal before he balled out last year? Now it is a bargain deal assuming he maintains that level of play. Even if turner doesn't improve he is going to be worth his contract (assuming his play doesn't decline), It's a pretty good deal for a young shot blocker who can shoot the ball. It really wouldn't surprise me if a team like the nets offered Turner a max contract if he was a free agent this past offseason.

 

I have no gripe with the deal. I just don't understand the timing of it. It is really easy to cherry pick contracts as examples, and honestly it detracts from the focus of this thread. I have no interest in responding or playing that game....but in terms of Turner....I just don't think the Pacers got enough of a discount. I don't care about the length of the deal, but I think teams should get more of a discount. $20 million for a stretch big that can block shots is fine. I just think the Pacers could have squeezed that a bit more. 

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Myles Turner Transformation

 

Here's a great article on Myles Turner from this offseason, which has me believing in him more this year...Following in the steps that helped Dipo to have the All-star breakout season that he had. I believe a big reason why we saw a decline in Turner last season was simply due to him being somewhat out of shape.

 

The transformation alone is enough to make me believe. He won't be as winded, should be quicker up and down the floor as well as on defense both early and late in the game.

 

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My hope is that he gets back to 32-33 MPG and posts 15 PPG / 8 REB / 2.0 BLK. 

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10 hours ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

 

And Turner is about as inconsistent when it comes to offense sometimes even looking offensively challenged. 

 

True that my man... he couldn't post CP3 the other night... tried 2 times... and gave up in the end ! 

 

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A lot of people were giving advice to avoid at his ADP. Poor last season, yes he was still top 60 but that was almost only due to huge blocks and low turnovers. He didnt help in anything else really. We also told you guys sabonis is a better player and thad young is a solid vet with plenty left in the tank. But people saw a picture of him looking ripped and draft in round 3 and 4 again. Gonna be a bumpy ride I think

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I didn't watch the game, but was monitoring the box score during it. 8/8/4 blks in just 20 minutes. It was a complete blowout, so I assume that's why he didn't get back in for more than 20mins, especially if that recent ankle mention from Saturday was actually anything. I'm not stoked about 20 minutes, but there is a reason they just gave this guy 80mil and it wasn't so they could feature Sabonis exclusively instead.

 

Will it be bumpy? Probably...but I'm not mad about 4 blocks.

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