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Mitchell Robinson 2018-19 Season Outlook

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39 minutes ago, sebapargue said:

scoring is one of the hardest cats to find in the wire actually....

thats because its an overrated category lol,  theres a lot more ppl that can average 15-18 ppg then those who average over a block per game...

youre not seriously debating that blocks are harder to find. 

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32 minutes ago, richg24 said:

No. Every player scores.  The point is that the difference to a teams scoring total is minimal between say a portis and some ither bum on wire who averages 14 ppg. Average point total lets say is like 600 for your team for the week. If someone scores 10 pts over 4 games 40 points vs. Someone scores 20 pts over 4 games 80 points. So 80 out of 600 v. 40. Still fairly small percentage...just over 10% of the scoring for portis and 5% for the other random guy.

Block totals for a week are usually very low so lets say around 25 is average (this is prob higher than a real 12 team average). And mitch averages 3 blocks that week over 4 games he will have 12 out of the 25 blocks which is nearly 50%. 

 

So you see the difference in impact on their respective strongest categories? Its humungous because mitch can often win you blocks but portis will not win you points alone. 

 

If you go to their next most impactful categories which is fg% for mitch and 3s for portis you get the same result but im not willing to set out the rough math. But basicslmy mitch starting to now average double figure points on nearly 80% fg...and that is nearly sustainable because of the way he gets his buckets they are nearly guaranteed to go in vs. Portis hitting a lot of 3s but your whole team prolly hits 3s nowadays and i regularly see 3pm totals over 60 for a week. Mitch will really help anchor fg even though the attempts are not that high, its high enough when he making like 80% that it anchors you. 

Lastly, we know portis is just hot lately and it can't continue because we have seen many times before and he fizzles out. He also is very regularly injured. Mitch on otherhand just started to trend up and everything looks sustainable and he still has a lot more upside to show as he gets more mins this season.

 

So don't make the mistake like others have here...actually nvm mitch is not on the wire anymore there is no way. 

 

 

I own both actually, so I'm happy with them. However, consistent scoring is hard to find in the wire (I'm talking about 14 teams leagues or more...cant take 12 or 10 team leagues seriously//, less than 14 teams there is always gonna be people on the wire that can produce).  Your argument is valid, but your assuming portis wont block a single shot also, which is not true. Obviously, in a keeper league you would go Robinson, but this season, I see portis as more valuable, very small marging, and I might be wrong at season ends. 

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35 minutes ago, WhatIsThisWizardry said:

thats because its an overrated category lol,  theres a lot more ppl that can average 15-18 ppg then those who average over a block per game...

youre not seriously debating that blocks are harder to find. 

Blocks are always hard to find, but there is always guys like robinson on the wire, each year. Blocks specialists. Consistent scorers are hard to find always. there was an article on this, by rotoworld or razzball

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I already own blocks so I won't pick up Mitch Rob but defensive stats (steals/blocks) and fg% are definitely crucial in winning a roto league. Too many people look at players who drop 20+ppg consistently but have terrible efficiency and next to nothing supporting stats. In my build, I am punting 3's and FT's and points sort of, so big men are my bread and butter - check out my players as reference.

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1 minute ago, sebapargue said:

Blocks are always hard to find, but there is always guys like robinson on the wire, each year. Blocks specialists. Consistent scorers are hard to find always. there was an article on this, by rotoworld or razzball

I do agree with consistent scorers but many consistent scorers in the league have terrible efficiency and next to nothing supporting stats. But it is definitely nice to have a couple consistent scorers, no matter the build. 

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2 hours ago, HBARZ93 said:

I do agree with consistent scorers but many consistent scorers in the league have terrible efficiency and next to nothing supporting stats. But it is definitely nice to have a couple consistent scorers, no matter the build. 

It ebbs and flows. Looking at this year WW Blocks are at a higher premium I think. Here is the top 20:

  1. 1) Turner - 2.8
  2. 2) Davis - 2.6
  3. 3) Gobert - 2.2
  4. 4) Whiteside - 2.1
  5. 5) Lopez - 2.1
  6. 6) MitchRob - 2.0
  7. 7) McGee - 2.0
  8. 8) Embiid -  2.0
  9. 9) Capela - 1.8
  10. 10) Towns - 1.8
  11. 11) Drummond - 1.8
  12. 12) Nurkic - 1.5
  13. 13) Allen - 1.5
  14. 14) Horford - 1.5
  15. 15) Giannis - 1.4
  16. 16) Jaren Jackson 1.4
  17. 17) Harrell 1.4
  18. 18) Noel 1.4
  19. 19) Jerami Grant 1.4
  20. 20) Bamba 1.4

 

Only 3 of those Mitchell and Noel are gettable on the wire at this point in the season (discounting Bamba b/c he's out). Plus he's not a negative in most of the other areas which is why most of us are grabbing him for the playoff run. Also he's #6 in limited minutes!  Some other guys that might be available on the wire that just missed the top 20 criteria, but that are major +++ in BLKS are Favors (1.4), Issac (1.3), Kleber (1.2), Holmes (1.1) but even if they are (Isaac, Favors, and Kleber are rostered in my 10 teamer), Mitch Rob blows those guys away

 

 

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20 hours ago, RCRanger03 said:

It ebbs and flows. Looking at this year WW Blocks are at a higher premium I think. Here is the top 20:

  1. 1) Turner - 2.8
  2. 2) Davis - 2.6
  3. 3) Gobert - 2.2
  4. 4) Whiteside - 2.1
  5. 5) Lopez - 2.1
  6. 6) MitchRob - 2.0
  7. 7) McGee - 2.0
  8. 8) Embiid -  2.0
  9. 9) Capela - 1.8
  10. 10) Towns - 1.8
  11. 11) Drummond - 1.8
  12. 12) Nurkic - 1.5
  13. 13) Allen - 1.5
  14. 14) Horford - 1.5
  15. 15) Giannis - 1.4
  16. 16) Jaren Jackson 1.4
  17. 17) Harrell 1.4
  18. 18) Noel 1.4
  19. 19) Jerami Grant 1.4
  20. 20) Bamba 1.4

 

Only 3 of those Mitchell and Noel are gettable on the wire at this point in the season (discounting Bamba b/c he's out). Plus he's not a negative in most of the other areas which is why most of us are grabbing him for the playoff run. Also he's #6 in limited minutes!  Some other guys that might be available on the wire that just missed the top 20 criteria, but that are major +++ in BLKS are Favors (1.4), Issac (1.3), Kleber (1.2), Holmes (1.1) but even if they are (Isaac, Favors, and Kleber are rostered in my 10 teamer), Mitch Rob blows those guys away

 

 

 

I like this analysis and I am glad I have 5 of those players on my squad haha. I will keep an eye on Mitch - if he gets unleashed and DeAndre sits after ASB or gets limited run, I will pick him up potentially. I just don't think it makes sense for Mitch to get more minutes than DeAndre - all else being equal but since the Knicks are tanking and may potentially move DeAndre, they could keep him at 20 MPG, giving Mitch 20-25 MPG to get run at which point he looks attractive as a pickup.

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Mitch leads the league in blocks per 36 at 4.1.  The next closest is Turner at 3.5.  Can't wait to see what he can do with heavy minutes...

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Big Mitch going beast mode! This dude is gonna win people blocks every week 

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The upside is Camby esqe if Mitch ever develops a mid-range shot.

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I guess having Gasol, Cousins, DJ, McGee, Draymond, Mitch wont work during the playoff since i have no available streaming spot...Gasol or McGee are my main drop candidates now after this dude killin s---

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6 minutes ago, chud12 said:

The upside is Camby esqe if Mitch ever develops a mid-range shot.

I've been saying this also. Mitch is the second coming of Camby, IF he can maintain that consistency.

Camby had no shot either, btw. As a 22-year old rookie, Camby went 14.8/6.3 and had 2.1 blks. Unleashed the next year, he went for 3.7 blks. 

That is EXACTLY Mitch's potential. 

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3 minutes ago, hornrimmed_rambis said:

I've been saying this also. Mitch is the second coming of Camby, IF he can maintain that consistency.

Camby had no shot either, btw. As a 22-year old rookie, Camby went 14.8/6.3 and had 2.1 blks. Unleashed the next year, he went for 3.7 blks. 

That is EXACTLY Mitch's potential. 

 

Yea, I said the Camby thing in summer league and Camby did have a 10 footer in his arsenal at Mass. He broke is out every so often and even in his rook season. But yea I agree with everything you just said. Right now Mitch is still so raw and is getting by with talent alone. Hate to say it but D. Jordan should do wonders for his learning curve the next few months. 

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10 minutes ago, chud12 said:

 

Yea, I said the Camby thing in summer league and Camby did have a 10 footer in his arsenal at Mass. He broke is out every so often and even in his rook season. But yea I agree with everything you just said. Right now Mitch is still so raw and is getting by with talent alone. Hate to say it but D. Jordan should do wonders for his learning curve the next few months. 

Yes, I do remember the 10-footer. Funny, because Camby's game evolved so he got even closer to the rim. His scoring went down while his rebs and blks went up. Pure rim runner by the time he was in Denver, and massive shotblocker with multiple 3 blk seasons.

 

Also, the beanpole body type is a near perfect match. Knicks should bring Camby in to do 1-on-1 work with the kid. 

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Mitch "on my way to steal yo b*tch" Robinson 

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4 minutes ago, simon said:

its looking more and more like Mitch Robinson > JJJ

Let's not go crazy now.

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I picked up Mitch well over a month ago. The writing was on the wall for this guy. No way this guy should have been on the wire in the last two weeks in a competitive league 10 teamer and up. Way too much potential. And to answer some of the chatter above me.

i would easily trade portis to get Mitch. Portis averages less than .5 in stl and blks... Mitch also is reb better with an almost automatic FG%..unless you’re punting blocks, you want this guy

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Feels good having rostered this guy when he was only 3% owned. I know a lot of us here were on the train early.

 

So nice to see that hes found a way to make an impact without getting in foul trouble.

 

Enjoying the ride. The steals are nice too.

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1 minute ago, cbsholy said:

So nice to see that hes found a way to make an impact without getting fizzdaled.

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