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I feel like my reaction to this is, WHAT!?

 

 

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Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports reports that the Dodgers and Reds are nearing a trade that will send Yasiel Puig, Matt Kemp and Alex Wood to Cincinnati and Homer Bailey to Los Angeles.

Joel Sherman of the New York Post hears that the Dodgers will send $7 million in cash to the Reds as part of the deal, while Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic says that Homer Bailey -- who had to waive his no-trade clause -- will be released once the trade goes through. The Dodgers will reportedly be getting prospects Jeter Downs and Josiah Gray and international bonus pool money, as well. They're also freeing up some money, which naturally leads to speculation that they could lure in Bryce Harper or Corey Kluber. We will undoubtedly hear more about this as the weekend unfolds.

 

 

Reds get.. Puig, AND Kemp, AND Wood, AND $7 million.

Dodgers get.. Bailey, and prospects. AND they're going to release Bailey.

 

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Just now, SpecialFNK said:

I feel like my reaction to this is, WHAT!?

 

 

 

Reds get.. Puig, AND Kemp, AND Wood, AND $7 million.

Dodgers get.. Bailey, and prospects. AND they're going to release Bailey.

 

Saves 18 million for 2019 luxury tax also. Won't be shocked if they sign Harper now to go back over the tax.

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Doesn't really change anything for Phils... they can outbid either Yankees or Dodgers for whichever guy they want to end up with. 

 

Magic Johnsons ownership group doesn't want to pay absorbent payroll which by their definition is over luxury tax constantly.

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Dodgers trade players with name value for salary relief, real prospects, international pool money and make room for Harper or Verdugo. It's got to be nice to have Friedman as your GM.

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1 minute ago, itaos said:

Dodgers trade players with name value for salary relief, real prospects, international pool money and make room for Harper or Verdugo. It's got to be nice to have Friedman as your GM.

Or just bottomless pit of cash to spend near luxury tax constantly and outbid people for international prospects 

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18 minutes ago, FantasyGeek2018 said:

Saves 18 million for 2019 luxury tax also. Won't be shocked if they sign Harper now to go back over the tax.

It's the only thing that makes sense, right?

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2 minutes ago, XxxOilOverloadxxX said:

Or just bottomless pit of cash to spend near luxury tax constantly and outbid people for international prospects 

 

That is a wonderful thing to have too. Covers up a lot of mistakes when they inevitably happen.

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5 minutes ago, itaos said:

Dodgers trade players with name value for salary relief, real prospects, international pool money and make room for Harper or Verdugo. It's got to be nice to have Friedman as your GM.

 

On the flip side, assume this means Senzel has no chance at finding a starting spot now?

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4 hours ago, Low and Away said:

Harper turned down a reported 10 years for 300m. Quite the insult

 

You're thinking of it in regular people terms. Can't do that. Imagine you're one of the best in the world at your regular person job. Let's say software engineer. It's time for your company to renegotiate your contract. You've been criminally underpaid forever and now it's finally time for you to get the respect (financially) that you deserve. You're expecting to make 200k a year or more. They offer 120, knowing that you will reject it and that you have a handful of other suitors more than willing to eclipse it even if you don't quite get that 200 you're looking for. It's not a real offer. No offer would have been better than this, quite frankly. It's an indication that they have no real plan to keep you on and don't value you the same way the market does. This despite the fact that you've built up a reputation of excellence there, and have been a major part of the organization's growth, over a period of 7 years. 

 

So yeah. Insult. 

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are the Dodgers that desperate to save money. aren't they worth a fortune and can afford to pay whatever the tax is.

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4 minutes ago, sleepysock said:

 

You're thinking of it in regular people terms. Can't do that. Imagine you're one of the best in the world at your regular person job. Let's say software engineer. It's time for your company to renegotiate your contract. You've been criminally underpaid forever and now it's finally time for you to get the respect (financially) that you deserve. You're expecting to make 200k a year or more. They offer 120, knowing that you will reject it and that you have a handful of other suitors more than willing to eclipse it even if you don't quite get that 200 you're looking for. It's not a real offer. No offer would have been better than this. It's an indication that they have no real plan to keep you on and don't value you the same way the market does. This despite the fact that you've built up a reputation of excellence there, and have been a major part of the organization's growth, over a period of 7 years. 

 

So yeah. Insult. 

For a guy that's one amazing year and the rest mostly good, then yeah. Whoever signs Harper is gambling that he sustains excellence. His current reputation of excellence is partially a mirage. 

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3 minutes ago, SpecialFNK said:

are the Dodgers that desperate to save money. aren't they worth a fortune and can afford to pay whatever the tax is.

 

There's a difference between stupid rich and dumbass rich. They don't want to be the latter. 

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2 minutes ago, SpecialFNK said:

are the Dodgers that desperate to save money. aren't they worth a fortune and can afford to pay whatever the tax is.

Like I said before... Magic Johnson has an ownership group with a bunch of people involved who view owning the Dodgers like any business entity.... they don't want to pay out of their profit margin by paying out a portion of the revenue being slapped with a tax. 

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7 minutes ago, 2ndCitySox said:

For a guy that's one amazing year and the rest mostly good, then yeah. Whoever signs Harper is gambling that he sustains excellence. His current reputation of excellence is partially a mirage. 

 

While I agree to an extent, even if he's a 3.5-5 WAR player, on average, for most of his contract, he's absolutely worth it because of the off the field value he has. Bigger TV deal, top selling jersey in baseball by a huge margin in 2019, huge attendance and concession $ boost, more national TV exposure, and so on. He brings all of that to the table. The fact that he's capable of much more than that 3.5-5 WAR is just the cherry on top. 

 

Edit: And this is why a team like the Sox is so willing to throw mad money at him. They need those extra benefits. Their attendance is terrible. They do move merch because of their sick overall aesthetic, but a boost certainly doesn't hurt. New TV deal coming up -- bringing Harper on board is a significant needle-mover there. Furthermore, Reinsdorf is likely not living through the end of Harper's deal; he wants his kids to keep the Bulls and sell the Sox (the better financial move as the Bulls are a, ahem, cash cow even when they suck), and having a face-of-baseball player on a potentially winning team increases the value of the White Sox by a good margin. 

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1 hour ago, dod959 said:

Puig 40 homer threat in GABP. 

 

He may not hit that many but this is definitely good for his fantasy value. Much better park, hopefully steadier playing time and a good lineup spot. We’ll see where his ADP ends up but I feel like he’s jaded enough owners that he’ll still be reasonably priced.

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1 hour ago, itaos said:

Dodgers trade players with name value for salary relief, real prospects, international pool money and make room for Harper or Verdugo. It's got to be nice to have Friedman as your GM.

 

Anyone can rip off the Reds. Just check out their recent trade history.

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2 hours ago, sleepysock said:

 

While I agree to an extent, even if he's a 3.5-5 WAR player, on average, for most of his contract, he's absolutely worth it because of the off the field value he has. Bigger TV deal, top selling jersey in baseball by a huge margin in 2019, huge attendance and concession $ boost, more national TV exposure, and so on. He brings all of that to the table. The fact that he's capable of much more than that 3.5-5 WAR is just the cherry on top. 

 

Edit: And this is why a team like the Sox is so willing to throw mad money at him. They need those extra benefits. Their attendance is terrible. They do move merch because of their sick overall aesthetic, but a boost certainly doesn't hurt. New TV deal coming up -- bringing Harper on board is a significant needle-mover there. Furthermore, Reinsdorf is likely not living through the end of Harper's deal; he wants his kids to keep the Bulls and sell the Sox (the better financial move as the Bulls are a, ahem, cash cow even when they suck), and having a face-of-baseball player on a potentially winning team increases the value of the White Sox by a good margin. 

Agreed about the W Sox. He's good business value, assuming he amounts to more than just a very good player. 

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4 hours ago, 2ndCitySox said:

For a guy that's one amazing year and the rest mostly good, then yeah. Whoever signs Harper is gambling that he sustains excellence. His current reputation of excellence is partially a mirage. 

 

I kind of agree but you have to realize that he just now turned 26. He hasn't played 1 game of professional baseball as a 26 year old. His 162 game career average is 32 homers and .279/.388/.512

 

Simply incredible. You are getting this guy with the reasonable expectation we haven't seen his sustained best. 

 

JDM, at age 30, signed 5/110 (higher aav first 2 years then he has an opt out). Harper is 4 years younger, and JD carried PLENTY of risk before signing (which helps explain the pretty moderate contract).

 

How much teams are willing to gamble on the player Harper becomes is the question. His perception is partially a mirage because he hasn't consistently lived up to the hype, but he was still only 25. He has a 10 WAR season and a 4.7 WAR season in 2 of the last 4 years. The 4.7 came in 111 games, which would have put him around 7 WAR. 

 

It's just interesting because teams will be paying for something they think they will get but haven't necessarily seen. 

 

Also, with WAR (currently) worth about 9/10 per, he needs to return 30 WAR or so over 10 years to justify that. Seems way more than obtainable. Also consider the cost of a WAR rises every year, and contracts are constantly inflating and it makes it a bit easier to see why 10/300 isn't really crazy. 

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5 hours ago, sleepysock said:

 

You're thinking of it in regular people terms. Can't do that. Imagine you're one of the best in the world at your regular person job. Let's say software engineer. It's time for your company to renegotiate your contract. You've been criminally underpaid forever and now it's finally time for you to get the respect (financially) that you deserve. You're expecting to make 200k a year or more. They offer 120, knowing that you will reject it and that you have a handful of other suitors more than willing to eclipse it even if you don't quite get that 200 you're looking for. It's not a real offer. No offer would have been better than this, quite frankly. It's an indication that they have no real plan to keep you on and don't value you the same way the market does. This despite the fact that you've built up a reputation of excellence there, and have been a major part of the organization's growth, over a period of 7 years. 

 

So yeah. Insult. 

 

Criminally underpaid forever? Harper made $21.6M this year. Using your analogy, it was more like he was already making $120K, got an offer of $180K, but hopes to make $200K. Hardly insulting.

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