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38 minutes ago, Gohawks said:

The goat my a**. Lebron isn't even top 5. He is an incredible individual player and no doubt he is top 3 all time in that regard but that's it. He makes his teammates better...except when he doesn't and it's their fault so they all get traded. 

 

 

Kind've backed yourself into an "oh s---" corner by saying he wasn't even top 5, didn't ya? 

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26 minutes ago, ItsOjMang said:

 

 

Kind've backed yourself into an "oh s---" corner by saying he wasn't even top 5, didn't ya? 

Did I?

 

Obviously, there's MJ. Wilt was the most dominant player to ever play. Kareem had the most dominant shot ever, best-extended level of production, and holds a ton of records himself. Shaq also has a case because of his dominance. Magic entered the league and right out of the gate won finals MVP and continued to dominate. Larry Bird as well. 

 

There are a few guys with cases.

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On 2/3/2019 at 9:32 AM, Gile Pile said:

another point to consider is the reasons why LeBron left Miami. 

"Win I title in for Cavs"  is one, but not the only reason imo.   After Miami got beaten to submission by Spurs, I wonder if LBJ tried to  run the franchise in the  same way he did with Cavs later. We can guess what Riley said.

 

On the side note, I wonder how many Lakers fans were expecting them to be behind Kings in standings after 50 games?  Looks like playoffs are becoming pipe dream

If the roster stays the same they are making the postseason. Lebron has missed 33% of the season and the Lakers are 2.5 games out of the playoffs and 6 games out of home court. Let's be real, they are making the postseason if Lebron stays healthy.  

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1 hour ago, thezing1 said:

If the roster stays the same they are making the postseason. Lebron has missed 33% of the season and the Lakers are 2.5 games out of the playoffs and 6 games out of home court. Let's be real, they are making the postseason if Lebron stays healthy.  

And for what? To be swept from GSW? Sure, one of the team is used to that, but... Look at the Clippers - 8th spot and will tank. Why? Because West has a strategy. In Lakers after the CP3 famous trade, the strategy is taboo and we can`t blame Stern anymore. The signing of LBJ was for money - plain and simple, but no one, and i mean including in the organisation, knows what the long term strategy is. For now, Magic and Rob didn`t do anything to prove that they can handle the pressure and to show some vision for the team (Kuzma`s pick was Ryan West`s and Jesse Buss` choice) - Ball instead Russell, letting Randle go for nothing, waiving T. Bryant (i don`t know why no one asks them for that move after it was clearly dumb move), waiving too early Deng (when everybody outside LBJ`s fans know that no one will come to play with him as FA), the signing with LBJ, handling Walton`s situation with LBJ and LaVar, including all of the players in the Klutch game... So, i think we are waiting for the next move.

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2 hours ago, montanski said:

And for what? To be swept from GSW? Sure, one of the team is used to that, but... Look at the Clippers - 8th spot and will tank. Why? Because West has a strategy. In Lakers after the CP3 famous trade, the strategy is taboo and we can`t blame Stern anymore. The signing of LBJ was for money - plain and simple, but no one, and i mean including in the organisation, knows what the long term strategy is. For now, Magic and Rob didn`t do anything to prove that they can handle the pressure and to show some vision for the team (Kuzma`s pick was Ryan West`s and Jesse Buss` choice) - Ball instead Russell, letting Randle go for nothing, waiving T. Bryant (i don`t know why no one asks them for that move after it was clearly dumb move), waiving too early Deng (when everybody outside LBJ`s fans know that no one will come to play with him as FA), the signing with LBJ, handling Walton`s situation with LBJ and LaVar, including all of the players in the Klutch game... So, i think we are waiting for the next move.

You are addressing about 5 different massive things in one post, which is awesome, but tough to respond to so I will make this a little bullet-pointy. Let me know if I am not getting my points across and if I lost you on anything.

 

Huge difference between the Lakers and Clippers. The Clippers strategy is to have a completely different rotation next year. I would not be shocked if their rotation had more than 65% turnover if they execute their game plan for the offseason. So there is limited benefit to their current roster getting playoff experience because they won't be in the same uniform next season.

 

The Clippers aren't tanking because it is too late for them to tank. They are making their team worse because they haven't deviated from their season long plan which was to prepare the roster for the offseason. They just acquired 2 massive trade chips to help them execute that plan. If the plan went smooth, Tobias was a 50/50 at best to be there next season. If anything, it is more impressive that they stuck to the plan instead of the flashy fool's gold of a potential 8 seed and mauling. 

 

The difference with the Lakers and Lebron is that the Lakers to this point have decided to grow organically and try developing talent. Postseason experience for Kuzma, Ingram, Ball, Hart is MASSIVE if they expect them to be a part of the roster next year and supplement with a big free agent. You can not expect young players that have never played a meaningful game in their NBA careers to go to the postseason for the first time and perform at their peak levels. That is completely unfair. They need to taste the intensity and the difference in defense when you face the same team every other night until there is a winner in the series. Same with the Clippers, it is too late for the Lakers to tank and there is no tanking when you have Lebron. There is no benefit to it because Lebron won't stick around waiting for a lottery pick to develop over their first 3-4 years in the league. That is why almost every Lebron team trades those assets for veterans and high performing NBA players. 

 

Last thing...The Lakers already massively screwed up in a game that needs to be played almost flawlessly and have luck break your way. The NBA roster construction is becoming very high stakes and very fast paced. You set your vision or your plan and you commit to it and chase it full speed. It is a sprint and you need to take risks because waiting for guarantees probably means you are too late. They weren't ready for it. They wouldn't trade Ingram for Paul George AND the plan was to sign Lebron as a free agent. So Ingram, a dude that would probably be a sixth man if PG and Lebron were on the same roster, was the piece you couldn't pull the trigger on to land a star that flat out said he wanted to be on your team. Magic and Pelinka just failed to act and now they are chasing, which is why they are opening their entire roster up for AD. So Ingram alone didn't do it for a 2-way wing with range (everything the NBA wants), but you are down to send everyone and picks for AD? So what is the Lakers strategy? Land a free agent? Cool cool cool, like everyone else with max cap room. I still think they will land one free agent, but I am starting to think they have a hope and not really a plan. Totally agree with you that there isn't a clear strategy in that organization. I mean pitching the KCP signing like he is a godsend was good for a laugh, but if you are really trying to sell that sh*t you are in the wrong line of business. 

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4 hours ago, Gohawks said:

Did I?

 

Obviously, there's MJ. Wilt was the most dominant player to ever play. Kareem had the most dominant shot ever, best-extended level of production, and holds a ton of records himself. Shaq also has a case because of his dominance. Magic entered the league and right out of the gate won finals MVP and continued to dominate. Larry Bird as well. 

 

There are a few guys with cases.

You forgot Kobe who is a greater Laker than either Magic or Kareem, both of them would tell you that anyway if you asked them. 

 

Real top 5 goats:

 

1. MJ

2. Kobe

3. Shaq

4. Lebron

5. Magic

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1 hour ago, thezing1 said:

 

100% agree. I was in hurry for Barca - Real and little angry, especially lately, for all of that "we will land this FA, we will land that superstar", that i don`t want to even start the discussion about Lakers. That`s fantasy basketball forum at first, but that LAC`s trade, forced me to post for 10000th time, that Lakers need changes. And i mean really need changes. I doubt that Lakers with current roster of 1 player can add significant FA in the summer or pull a trade for top 20 player. Every other team already knows that they are desperate to get rid of their young players, which is pathetic way to handle the situation. The coach knows that his time is ticking away, the players are concerned about Lakers` desire to keep them, the other 29 teams look at you like some criminal, the other team players` think that the situation in the team is toxic. Circus! But it is what is. Maybe one day Jeannie will understand that not everything is money and will give the power to Jesse and Ryan or sale the team to owner, who like her late father wanted to win. But for now, i am not one of the 90% Lakers/LBJ fans who think that the team has a bright future with not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not even 7 titles in next 7 years.

 

It was nice to see, that i am not the only who thinks that Magic and Rob don`t know what they do and don`t have strategy.

 

1 hour ago, babyfaceassasin said:

kobe not even a top 5 laker

Let see the accomplishments that all the greatest Lakers have with the team, to evaluate where Kobe is in the team`s top 5 all time.

 

Kobe Bryant (1996–2016):

5× NBA champion (2000–2002, 2009, 2010)

2× NBA Finals MVP (2009, 2010)

NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)

18× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2016)

4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011)

11× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2013)

2× All-NBA Second Team (2000, 2001)

2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)

9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003, 2004, 2006–2011)

3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001, 2002, 2012)

2× NBA scoring champion (2006, 2007)

NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1997)

NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)

Naismith Prep Player of the Year (1996)

Nos. 8 & 24 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

The second most points scored in a single game

All-time leading scorer in Lakers franchise history

Third all-time scorer in NBA

He is first in Lakers history in: games, mins, pts, FG, 3FG, FTs, stls, USG %, Win shares;

 

Earvin "Magic" Johnson (1979–1991, 1996):

5× NBA champion (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)

3× NBA Finals MVP (1980, 1982, 1987)

3× NBA Most Valuable Player (1987, 1989, 1990)

12× NBA All-Star (1980, 1982–1992)

2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1990, 1992)

9× All-NBA First Team (1983–1991)

All-NBA Second Team (1982)

NBA All-Rookie First Team (1980)

4× NBA assists leader (1983, 1984, 1986, 1987)

2× NBA steals leader (1981, 1982)

No. 32 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: asts, asts per game, true shooting %, asts %, off. rating, +/-;

 

Jerry West (1960–1974):

NBA champion (1972)

NBA Finals MVP (1969)

14× NBA All-Star (1961–1974)

NBA All-Star Game MVP (1972)

10× All-NBA First Team (1962–1967, 1970–1973)

2× All-NBA Second Team (1968, 1969)

4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1970–1973)

NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1969)

NBA scoring champion (1970)

NBA assists leader (1972)

No. 44 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: off. win shares;

 

James Worthy (1982–1994):

3× NBA champion (1985, 1987, 1988)

NBA Finals MVP (1988)

7× NBA All-Star (1986–1992)

2× All-NBA Third Team (1990, 1991)

NBA All-Rookie First Team (1983)

No. 42 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

 

Elgin Baylor (1958–1971)

11× NBA All-Star (1959–1965, 1967–1970)

NBA All-Star Game MVP (1959)

10× All-NBA First Team (1959–1965, 1967–1969)

NBA Rookie of the Year (1959)

No. 22 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: pts per game;

 

George Mikan (1947–1954, 1956):

5× BAA/NBA champion (1949, 1950, 1952–1954)

2× NBL champion (1947, 1948)

NBL Most Valuable Player (1948)

4× NBA All-Star (1951–1954)

NBA All-Star Game MVP (1953)

6× All-BAA/NBA First Team (1949–1954)

2× NBL season scoring champion (1947, 1948)

3× NBA season scoring champion (1949–1951)

NBA season rebounding champion (1953)

No. 99 honored by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: win shares per 48 mins;

 

Wilt Chamberlain (1968–1973):

1× NBA champion (1972)

NBA Finals MVP (1972)

4× NBA All-Star (1969, 1971–1973)

1× All-NBA Second Team (1972)

2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1972, 1973)

4× NBA rebounding champion (1969, 1971–1973)

No. 13 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: FG%, 2FG%, mins per game, rebs per game;

 

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1975–1989):

5× NBA champion (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)

1× NBA Finals MVP (1985)

3× NBA Most Valuable Player (1976, 1977, 1980)

13× NBA All-Star (1976–1977, 1979–1989)

6× All-NBA First Team (1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986)

4× All-NBA Second Team (1978, 1979, 1983, 1985)

3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1979–1981)

4× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1976–1978, 1984)

NBA rebounding champion (1976)

3× NBA blocks leader (1976, 1979, 1980)

No. 33 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

First all-time scorer in NBA

He is first in Lakers history in: 2FG, off. rebs, def. rebs, blcks, def. win shares;

 

Shaquille O'Neal (1996–2004):

3× NBA champion (2000–2002)

3× NBA Finals MVP (2000–2002)

NBA Most Valuable Player (2000)

7× NBA All-Star (1997–1998, 2000–2004)

2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000, 2004)

6× All-NBA First Team (1998, 2000–2004)

1× All-NBA Second Team (1999)

2× All-NBA Third Team (1996, 1997)

3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2000, 2001, 2003)

1× NBA scoring champion (2000)

No. 34 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: Player Efficiency Rating;

 

I don`t know your Lakers top 5 all time, but no matter how much you hate the guy, he is clearly top 5 in LAL`s history.

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wonder if we don't trade for AD if our young guns gonna be affected the rest of the season I.E. lamar odom. pretty sure it affected them/tryna lower their trade value so they don't get shipped out lol. could we still have got lebron if we didn't trade DLO for cap space. 

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4 minutes ago, brosephd said:

wonder if we don't trade for AD if our young guns gonna be affected the rest of the season I.E. lamar odom. pretty sure it affected them/tryna lower their trade value so they don't get shipped out lol. could we still have got lebron if we didn't trade DLO for cap space. 

I think Lebron to the Lakers was probably more obvious than people want to admit because it is a better storyline. The only reason he wouldn't go to the Lakers was for a better chance at making the Finals and backing into anther championship, which is a really big reason. Everything else in life, business, etc. screamed LA and there really wasn't a close second. 

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8 minutes ago, montanski said:

100% agree. I was in hurry for Barca - Real and little angry, especially lately, for all of that "we will land this FA, we will land that superstar", that i don`t want to even start the discussion about Lakers. That`s fantasy basketball forum at first, but that LAC`s trade, forced me to post for 10000th time, that Lakers need changes. And i mean really need changes. I doubt that Lakers with current roster of 1 player can add significant FA in the summer or pull a trade for top 20 player. Every other team already knows that they are desperate to get rid of their young players, which is pathetic way to handle the situation. The coach knows that his time is ticking away, the players are concerned about Lakers` desire to keep them, the other 29 teams look at you like some criminal, the other team players` think that the situation in the team is toxic. Circus! But it is what is. Maybe one day Jeannie will understand that not everything is money and will give the power to Jesse and Ryan or sale the team to owner, who like her late father wanted to win. But for now, i am not one of the 90% Lakers/LBJ fans who think that the team has a bright future with not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not even 7 titles in next 7 years.

 

It was nice to see, that i am not the only who thinks that Magic and Rob don`t know what they do and don`t have strategy.

 

Let see the accomplishments that all the greatest Lakers have with the team, to evaluate where Kobe is in the team`s top 5 all time.

 

Kobe Bryant (1996–2016):

5× NBA champion (2000–2002, 2009, 2010)

2× NBA Finals MVP (2009, 2010)

NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)

18× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2016)

4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011)

11× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2013)

2× All-NBA Second Team (2000, 2001)

2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)

9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003, 2004, 2006–2011)

3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001, 2002, 2012)

2× NBA scoring champion (2006, 2007)

NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion (1997)

NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)

Naismith Prep Player of the Year (1996)

Nos. 8 & 24 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

The second most points scored in a single game

All-time leading scorer in Lakers franchise history

Third all-time scorer in NBA

He is first in Lakers history in: games, mins, pts, FG, 3FG, FTs, stls, USG %, Win shares;

 

Earvin "Magic" Johnson (1979–1991, 1996):

5× NBA champion (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)

3× NBA Finals MVP (1980, 1982, 1987)

3× NBA Most Valuable Player (1987, 1989, 1990)

12× NBA All-Star (1980, 1982–1992)

2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (1990, 1992)

9× All-NBA First Team (1983–1991)

All-NBA Second Team (1982)

NBA All-Rookie First Team (1980)

4× NBA assists leader (1983, 1984, 1986, 1987)

2× NBA steals leader (1981, 1982)

No. 32 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: asts, asts per game, true shooting %, asts %, off. rating, +/-;

 

Jerry West (1960–1974):

NBA champion (1972)

NBA Finals MVP (1969)

14× NBA All-Star (1961–1974)

NBA All-Star Game MVP (1972)

10× All-NBA First Team (1962–1967, 1970–1973)

2× All-NBA Second Team (1968, 1969)

4× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1970–1973)

NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1969)

NBA scoring champion (1970)

NBA assists leader (1972)

No. 44 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: off. win shares;

 

James Worthy (1982–1994):

3× NBA champion (1985, 1987, 1988)

NBA Finals MVP (1988)

7× NBA All-Star (1986–1992)

2× All-NBA Third Team (1990, 1991)

NBA All-Rookie First Team (1983)

No. 42 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

 

Elgin Baylor (1958–1971)

11× NBA All-Star (1959–1965, 1967–1970)

NBA All-Star Game MVP (1959)

10× All-NBA First Team (1959–1965, 1967–1969)

NBA Rookie of the Year (1959)

No. 22 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: pts per game;

 

George Mikan (1947–1954, 1956):

5× BAA/NBA champion (1949, 1950, 1952–1954)

2× NBL champion (1947, 1948)

NBL Most Valuable Player (1948)

4× NBA All-Star (1951–1954)

NBA All-Star Game MVP (1953)

6× All-BAA/NBA First Team (1949–1954)

2× NBL season scoring champion (1947, 1948)

3× NBA season scoring champion (1949–1951)

NBA season rebounding champion (1953)

No. 99 honored by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: win shares per 48 mins;

 

Wilt Chamberlain (1968–1973):

1× NBA champion (1972)

NBA Finals MVP (1972)

4× NBA All-Star (1969, 1971–1973)

1× All-NBA Second Team (1972)

2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1972, 1973)

4× NBA rebounding champion (1969, 1971–1973)

No. 13 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: FG%, 2FG%, mins per game, rebs per game;

 

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (1975–1989):

5× NBA champion (1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)

1× NBA Finals MVP (1985)

3× NBA Most Valuable Player (1976, 1977, 1980)

13× NBA All-Star (1976–1977, 1979–1989)

6× All-NBA First Team (1976, 1977, 1980, 1981, 1984, 1986)

4× All-NBA Second Team (1978, 1979, 1983, 1985)

3× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1979–1981)

4× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1976–1978, 1984)

NBA rebounding champion (1976)

3× NBA blocks leader (1976, 1979, 1980)

No. 33 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

First all-time scorer in NBA

He is first in Lakers history in: 2FG, off. rebs, def. rebs, blcks, def. win shares;

 

Shaquille O'Neal (1996–2004):

3× NBA champion (2000–2002)

3× NBA Finals MVP (2000–2002)

NBA Most Valuable Player (2000)

7× NBA All-Star (1997–1998, 2000–2004)

2× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000, 2004)

6× All-NBA First Team (1998, 2000–2004)

1× All-NBA Second Team (1999)

2× All-NBA Third Team (1996, 1997)

3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2000, 2001, 2003)

1× NBA scoring champion (2000)

No. 34 retired by Los Angeles Lakers

He is first in Lakers history in: Player Efficiency Rating;

 

I don`t know your Lakers top 5 all time, but no matter how much you hate the guy, he is clearly top 5 in LAL`s history.

you really went through all that trouble just to prove your point lol. but I may have exaggerated that a bit. hes def top 4 laker as a player If you want to compare accomplishments then sure he is probably number one as a laker. its just laughable to me when ppl call him the goat of the nba when he is not even the best laker

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1 minute ago, babyfaceassasin said:

you really went through all that trouble just to prove your point lol. but I may have exaggerated that a bit. hes def top 4 laker as a player If you want to compare accomplishments then sure he is probably number one as a laker. its just laughable to me when ppl call him the goat of the nba when he is not even the best laker

I hate all of that conversations about GOAT and etc., but for the Lakers history number 1, it always will be between Kobe and Magic. They are really close and i don`t want make a choice and is not necessary. I respect Kareem and Shaq (he was my favorite player after Vlade was traded), but they didn`t play for the team in their entire careers. For me West is the last in top 5. All the time the GOAT`s conversations are to NBA gain more attention with arguments, numbers and so on. I always will take the players` opinions and never the media`s (they are paid to make someone`s case look better), but is very disrespectful to compare different eras, players (some are not even alive), games. The funny thing is that NBA is concerned about the All-Star draft, because the last chosen could feel offended, but keep pushing for all time rankings. So, typical for today`s NBA, so disrespectful for all the legends.

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2 hours ago, richg24 said:

You forgot Kobe who is a greater Laker than either Magic or Kareem, both of them would tell you that anyway if you asked them. 

 

Real top 5 goats:

 

1. MJ

2. Kobe

3. Shaq

4. Lebron

5. Magic

 

2 hours ago, richg24 said:

You forgot Kobe who is a greater Laker than either Magic or Kareem, both of them would tell you that anyway if you asked them. 

 

Real top 5 goats:

 

1. MJ

2. Kobe

3. Shaq

4. Lebron

5. Magic

Like this topic. We forget there was a time when there was no free agency. Before my time, but I know about it. The great Oscar Robertson filed suit against the league for this reason and won years later. No freedom for a player to say I wanna explore others options/team(s) when contracts expire. It was all trades back in the day. Owners had free reign claim a player as long as he could. That plays a huge part into all of this. IMO Chamberlain is to the NBA as Babe and Mays is to baseball.  Kareem is he most accomplished player EVER! AT EVERY level. From H.S. to the pros. From Power Memorial in NYC to the end. Very decorated. So when someone state who's the best and the GOAT, do your homework. One's opinion of course, but even the greats like Doc and Kareem have said Wilt in videos. It's a toss up for me.

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11 hours ago, Gohawks said:

Did I?

 

Obviously, there's MJ. Wilt was the most dominant player to ever play. Kareem had the most dominant shot ever, best-extended level of production, and holds a ton of records himself. Shaq also has a case because of his dominance. Magic entered the league and right out of the gate won finals MVP and continued to dominate. Larry Bird as well. 

 

There are a few guys with cases.

 

I agree, there are a bunch. But even you seemed to back-track a little bit with what you said after. Doesn't matter lol i just thought it was kinda funny. Its very difficult to judge guys from different eras of the game especially when we hardly saw some of them even play. All we really have are a bunch of stats, and so by that judgement, I look at playoff stats and titles, and MJ is the clear frontrunner  when looking at both while Bron nippin at his heels statistically. Russell obviously the king of rings, though.

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4 hours ago, brosephd said:

wonder if we don't trade for AD if our young guns gonna be affected the rest of the season I.E. lamar odom. pretty sure it affected them/tryna lower their trade value so they don't get shipped out lol. could we still have got lebron if we didn't trade DLO for cap space. 

 

It crushed them last night against the Pacers.  They were pretty rattled when the fans chanted "LeBron's going to trade you" every time they touched the ball.  They wilted.  Meanwhile, LeBron was dancing to music during a time out and not engaged in the discussion in the team huddle.  This left an impression.

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It looks like Kings chances for playoffs are getting better. Clippers are tanking, Lakers are  not the most cohesive unit in the league and Wolves are still figuring it out. It will be interesting how young Lakers play after deadline, once Magic  and Clutch Sports realize that AD is not coming this season

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hypothetically could we have been a team with lebron, dlo, zo, kuz 28th pick if not nets 27th from dlo trade, randle if we resigned one year player option even though his agent hates us, ingram and josh hart along with moz's contract. if so, then i'm assuming we had the assets for an AD trade but traded and or let em walk through FA. also would've been a fun team to watch. 

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6 minutes ago, brosephd said:

hypothetically could we have been a team with lebron, dlo, zo, kuz 28th pick if not nets 27th from dlo trade, randle if we resigned one year player option even though his agent hates us, ingram and josh hart along with moz's contract. if so, then i'm assuming we had the assets for an AD trade but traded and or let em walk through FA. also would've been a fun team to watch. 

Coulda drafted Tatum and traded him for AD too :ph34r:

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12 minutes ago, nospmoht04 said:

Coulda drafted Tatum and traded him for AD too :ph34r:

 

Ding, ding, ding..... and the big rumor is, Lonzo Ball was a Jeannie Buss pick.  Yikes.

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20 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

 

Ding, ding, ding..... and the big rumor is, Lonzo Ball was a Jeannie Buss pick.  Yikes.

Oops 

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When asked if the Pelicans intentionally dragged out trade talks and sowed discord among the young Lakers in a Machiavellian revenge scheme for what they perceived as tampering with their star player, ESPN’s Brian Windhorst said “it’s not just possible, it’s what happened.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-quiet-anthony-davis-front-lakers-trade-deadline-approaches-031314378.html

 

Interesting....

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28 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

When asked if the Pelicans intentionally dragged out trade talks and sowed discord among the young Lakers in a Machiavellian revenge scheme for what they perceived as tampering with their star player, ESPN’s Brian Windhorst said “it’s not just possible, it’s what happened.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-quiet-anthony-davis-front-lakers-trade-deadline-approaches-031314378.html

 

Interesting....

Oh come on now. The glue is getting to that guys head. Thinking way to deep and grasping at straws. That's one mans opinion.  

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40 minutes ago, Bugs bunny said:

Oh come on now. The glue is getting to that guys head. Thinking way to deep and grasping at straws. That's one mans opinion.  

Yeah. LBJ`s. When Porky opens his mouth, it`s for topics that LBJ can`t. The guy is his PR. So, it`s normal that Pels should be the Bad in the story. In LBJ`s eyes, i am sure that he is The Good and i think Walton is The Ugly :lol:.

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9 hours ago, Gile Pile said:

When asked if the Pelicans intentionally dragged out trade talks and sowed discord among the young Lakers in a Machiavellian revenge scheme for what they perceived as tampering with their star player, ESPN’s Brian Windhorst said “it’s not just possible, it’s what happened.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-quiet-anthony-davis-front-lakers-trade-deadline-approaches-031314378.html

 

Interesting....

 

Shocking.... Lebron's portly mouthpiece cries "unfair" when Lebron doesn't get his way..... LOL.  :rolleyes:

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13 hours ago, ItsOjMang said:

 

I agree, there are a bunch. But even you seemed to back-track a little bit with what you said after. Doesn't matter lol i just thought it was kinda funny. Its very difficult to judge guys from different eras of the game especially when we hardly saw some of them even play. All we really have are a bunch of stats, and so by that judgement, I look at playoff stats and titles, and MJ is the clear frontrunner  when looking at both while Bron nippin at his heels statistically. Russell obviously the king of rings, though.

Stats can be misleading. Lebron is a great individual player. That's great and can get you pretty far but ones you get into the top 10 all time it's not enough. The biggest myth about Lebron is he makes teammates better. He doesn't. Otherwise, the Lakers wouldn't be trading away their entire team and the Cavs wouldn't have done the same either. People are too busy making excuses and blaming the teammates every time something goes wrong without stopping to consider that Lebron isn't a true leader and isn't capable of getting everything out of guys like Kobe and Jordan. Hell, people thought Andrew Bynum was an actual star. Look at a guy like Smush Parker and his stats with and without Kobe. It's criminal how Lebron is viewed as a guy that significantly elevates team play while Kobe is a selfish ball hog when Lebron isn't even close to Kobe in that regard and the stats back it up. 

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12 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

 

Ding, ding, ding..... and the big rumor is, Lonzo Ball was a Jeannie Buss pick.  Yikes.

Magic needed to come out and make this known during or right after the draft. He had all of the power then. He was the savior for that franchise. You can't drop this info now and think it solves much of anything. If anything it makes your franchise look worse. And if you are Magic you make your pick and if you get fired you get fired. I can't think of any successful team President that gets bullied into roster construction. If anything they get vetoed, but not bullied. Magic is his own thing, but Pelinka always struck me as a really weird hire. Have to admit, I do enjoy watching the drama play out, but the Lakers will be fine (will make the playoffs) once the dust settles and Lebron flips the switch to playoff/late season Lebron. 

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