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21 minutes ago, n3gative said:

 

all regressed after a ball-dominant diva arrived 😆

Kuzma's basically been the same guy he was last year, no real improvement

So are you saying the Lakers shouldn’t have signed Lebron?

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56 minutes ago, wisegeeks said:

"He talked with Johnson about finding playmakers and guys known for their toughness, which effectively resulted in a roster lacking in shooting and floor spacing. The Lakers went out and got players who fit that description -- who were willing to play on one-year deals."

- Ramona Shelbourne on LeBron

 

If this is true then LeBron bears a significant share of the responsibility as well. When he plays GM it never seems to work out. Pat Riley seems to have been the only personality strong enough to outweigh him.

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1 hour ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

So are you saying the Lakers shouldn’t have signed Lebron?

Yes. They shouldn't. The reasons are too obvious - wrong side of the 30s, different timeline with the other guys, too much influence in the front office, his reasons for signing are not basketball related... The list goes on. The narrative was, that at least for the first time since Kobe's injury, they are competitive and will make the postseason. Are they? Next year will be tougher - more missed games for him, more ball dominant games and risky trades at the deadline, if they don't get another star (and 99% they will not). The only ones who think that LBJ's signing is no brainer are his fans.

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Do you think that they prolongue Lonzo's injury since there's no urge to rush him back? He was just dropped in my league so I'm suspicious about that 

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1 hour ago, montanski said:

Yes. They shouldn't. The reasons are too obvious - wrong side of the 30s, different timeline with the other guys, too much influence in the front office, his reasons for signing are not basketball related... The list goes on. The narrative was, that at least for the first time since Kobe's injury, they are competitive and will make the postseason. Are they? Next year will be tougher - more missed games for him, more ball dominant games and risky trades at the deadline, if they don't get another star (and 99% they will not). The only ones who think that LBJ's signing is no brainer are his fans.

Let’s look at timeline, mostly everybody knew Year 1 was going to be experimental. A bunch of one year deals, just to see who fit, don’t trap yourself in a deep contract situation and see who pans out in Summer for the FA and go from there Year 2-4. 

The problem is the Lakers were 4th seed (whether you believe they overachieved or not) they was sitting 4th before the Lebron injury. Lebron gets hurt along with other players, and the lose 5 in a row and go I believe 6-11 without him. He comes back and they are now 4-9 and with him in the lineup but with a mixture of missing Ball, Rondo & McGee. 

So you have to look at it with a bigger lens, the team without Lebron was crap. Ingram stunk, Lonzo stunk and the team played exactly like last year, a JV basketball team. So if you like watching a fun JV team sure, Lakers shouldn’t have signed Lebron, because why compete when you’re the Lakers. 

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Magic has always maintained that it's a two-summer plan. Summer #2 is coming up in a few months, when more than 200+ free agents will be available, the most in NBA history. The only player on the Lakers under guaranteed contract is LeBron. That's it. The whole team is a completely clean slate just waiting to be built. That was done by design.

 

Just chill until then. It'll be here soon.

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10 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

Let’s look at timeline, mostly everybody knew Year 1 was going to be experimental. A bunch of one year deals, just to see who fit, don’t trap yourself in a deep contract situation and see who pans out in Summer for the FA and go from there Year 2-4. 

The problem is the Lakers were 4th seed (whether you believe they overachieved or not) they was sitting 4th before the Lebron injury. Lebron gets hurt along with other players, and the lose 5 in a row and go I believe 6-11 without him. He comes back and they are now 4-9 and with him in the lineup but with a mixture of missing Ball, Rondo & McGee. 

So you have to look at it with a bigger lens, the team without Lebron was crap. Ingram stunk, Lonzo stunk and the team played exactly like last year, a JV basketball team. So if you like watching a fun JV team sure, Lakers shouldn’t have signed Lebron, because why compete when you’re the Lakers. 

Lakers should go at PG and/or Kawhi. In the second they signed LBJ, the two were out of the mix. They should traded for PG, but we were hearing that Ingram will be next KD. I want Lakers to be competitive, but i doubt that some of the biggest FAs will even consider the "toxic situation" in LA. So, in the end, the injury narrative will be on the playlist of the media and LBJs fans until the offseason, at least. Then we will see the "big" Magic plan for 2019 FAs list and who wants to play with the drama queen. In the meantime Russell, Randle, Zubac, Bryant, all are playing good, for their new teams. But "Lakers needs 2 more superstars"... Yeah, right!

By the way, Lakers don't have a single title without at least one of the 2 best players in the title team to play all career in the team.

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7 minutes ago, montanski said:

Lakers should go at PG and/or Kawhi. In the second they signed LBJ, the two were out of the mix. They should traded for PG, but we were hearing that Ingram will be next KD. I want Lakers to be competitive, but i doubt that some of the biggest FAs will even consider the "toxic situation" in LA. So, in the end, the injury narrative will be on the playlist of the media and LBJs fans until the offseason, at least. Then we will see the "big" Magic plan for 2019 FAs list and who wants to play with the drama queen. In the meantime Russell, Randle, Zubac, Bryant, all are playing good, for their new teams. But "Lakers needs 2 more superstars"... Yeah, right!

By the way, Lakers don't have a single title without at least one of the 2 best players in the title team to play all career in the team.

You had to trade Russell to get rid of Mosov terrible contract that shouldn’t have been signed in the first place.

Who was going to pay Randle? You wanted to pay Randle? who was a poor mans Lamar Odom. 

Zubac we all agree was a head scratcher but I suppose they wanted to rid of Beasley too and free up a roster spot to sign “Carmelo” but that never materialized plus Muscala is another expiring deal who can shoot the three unlike (Chandler, McGee & Zubac). 

Who else you want to talk about? Clarkson who is playing good on a crap team? We hear about that all the time. Only one I can give you credit who they should of kept was Brook slopes, but again, Lakers being cheap to sign Lebron and whoever else they sign this summer.

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3 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

You had to trade Russell to get rid of Mosov terrible contract that shouldn’t have been signed in the first place.

Who was going to pay Randle? You wanted to pay Randle? who was a poor mans Lamar Odom. 

Zubac we all agree was a head scratcher but I suppose they wanted to rid of Beasley too and free up a roster spot to sign “Carmelo” but that never materialized plus Muscala is another expiring deal who can shoot the three unlike (Chandler, McGee & Zubac). 

Who else you want to talk about? Clarkson who is playing good on a crap team? We hear about that all the time. Only one I can give you credit who they should of kept was Brook slopes, but again, Lakers being cheap to sign Lebron and whoever else they sign this summer.

And who will sign Lakers this summer? Who will be stupid enough to play with aging LBJ and bunch of guys who are waiting the second to be out of this mess? The fact is that the title contender (by the media and bookmakers) is behind the Logo's rebiulding team in the standings. That's the evaluation of Magic's job so far in the team.

I don't like DAR, but he plays good now and Mozgov's and Deng's contracts actually are not the problem. The fact is that with cap space Lakers signed only LBJ and noone wants to join so far. I don't like Randle, too, but at least the could trade him last february. It was obvious that he didn't belong in the great plan to sign The Shaqtin GOAT, the forever young Rondo, blow me in the ear Lance and LBJ's buddies Beasley and my personal favorite KCP. Bryant's waiving was out of mind move and Zubac deal was obvious sign for Jeannie from The Logo, that she hired the wrong guy.

We are on seperate sides on the topic - no problem, but i really want to hear your opinion - who you think Lakers will sign. I think KD, Klay, Kyrie, Kawhi, Kemba are out of the question. The biggest chance is DMC, but after Achilles injury to sign him with max...

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31 minutes ago, montanski said:

By the way, Lakers don't have a single title without at least one of the 2 best players in the title team to play all career in the team.

Really? Did not know that.

In my opinion  only superstar that will join LBJ with the Lakers is AD after next season, assuming they don't sign 2 superstars this season (see below). 

If history teaches us anything, after Wade and Bosh not many superstars want to join  LBJ team.   Love asked to be traded from Wolves and we all know how he was treated by LBJ  in the beginning.  Bosh had similar issues.

 

I don't see Kawhi gong to Lakers (Clippers or Raptors is my guess).  Durant, Klay or Kyrie?  Never going to happen

Kemba maybe, but  MJ always said they are going to keep (pay) him.

What I would like to see is that Lakers get their superstars this summer: Cousins and Butler.  Basketball product would be good, off the court soap opera even better.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, montanski said:

And who will sign Lakers this summer? Who will be stupid enough to play with aging LBJ and bunch of guys who are waiting the second to be out of this mess? The fact is that the title contender (by the media and bookmakers) is behind the Logo's rebiulding team in the standings. That's the evaluation of Magic's job so far in the team.

I don't like DAR, but he plays good now and Mozgov's and Deng's contracts actually are not the problem. The fact is that with cap space Lakers signed only LBJ and noone wants to join so far. I don't like Randle, too, but at least the could trade him last february. It was obvious that he didn't belong in the great plan to sign The Shaqtin GOAT, the forever young Rondo, blow me in the ear Lance and LBJ's buddies Beasley and my personal favorite KCP. Bryant's waiving was out of mind move and Zubac deal was obvious sign for Jeannie from The Logo, that she hired the wrong guy.

We are on seperate sides on the topic - no problem, but i really want to hear your opinion - who you think Lakers will sign. I think KD, Klay, Kyrie, Kawhi, Kemba are out of the question. The biggest chance is DMC, but after Achilles injury to sign him with max...

Somebody is going to want to play for the Lakers. If Lebron is as old as you say he is, then after year 2 or year 3, it’s your team to shine in one of the NBA’s biggest market, so who would not want that opportunity.

I said realistically Klay/Kyrie. With the Boston situation, I think Kyrie realizes he is not a leader after all, and Klay ( I have a feeling the Lakers will over pay for a 3 point specialist) similar to KCP. DMC is a wild card if they swing out one of those I mentioned earlier. DMC is a head case so I doubt many teams will pay for a head. He might sign where Rondo goes again.

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Klay? I highly doubt it.

Kyrie?  Craziest things have happened,  but I think if he leaves he goes to New York.

And if you want to " shine in one of the NBA’s biggest market" you may as well sign with Clippers.  Solid team,  Logo is there, good coach and rich owner who stays out of the way.

And as added bonus you get to watch media circus surrounding LBJ from close distance and be out of it.

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2 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

Klay? I highly doubt it.

Kyrie?  Craziest things have happened,  but I think if he leaves he goes to New York.

And if you want to " shine in one of the NBA’s biggest market" you may as well sign with Clippers.  Solid team,  Logo is there, good coach and rich owner who stays out of the way.

And as added bonus you get to watch media circus surrounding LBJ from close distance and be out of it.

Sure, that makes since. Let’s play for a team who has never been known to win anything just for the sake of it.

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LeBraughn was finally too old to come in and take over. This fire I will observe.

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Market wise, New York is as big as LA.  

Harsh reality for the other 29 teams is that as long as Durant, Curry, Thompson and Draymond are in GS uniform your chances of winning are pretty slim.

And recently Lakers haven't been winning franchise either

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2 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

Market wise, New York is as big as LA.  

Harsh reality for the other 29 teams is that as long as Durant, Curry, Thompson and Draymond are in GS uniform your chances of winning are pretty slim.

And recently Lakers haven't been winning franchise either

I know that. But me personally would rather go to a team that has a history of winning, than a team that has no history of winning at all. Yes New York is a big market as well, and many players have went there thinking the same thing “Oh big market, I can win a championship here...” and get ran out of town. Carmelo being the latest.

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Has anyone else noticed how he seems to have put on weight? He's kinda getting a gut. 

Oops thought I was in the Lebron thread. 

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38 minutes ago, Bugs bunny said:

Has anyone else noticed how he seems to have put on weight? He's kinda getting a gut. 

Oops thought I was in the Lebron thread. 

 

This is a Lebron thread. 

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40 minutes ago, Bugs bunny said:

Has anyone else noticed how he seems to have put on weight? He's kinda getting a gut. 

Oops thought I was in the Lebron thread. 

don't look like it from the shirtless videos of him the last few practices. but I would not be surprised if he did put on weight. he likes to drink wine and hes probably so busy with all the business hes got and lacking sleep.and then all the stress on the court. its a lot of things. He's a busy man. but kris works harder

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2 hours ago, Gile Pile said:

Really? Did not know that.

In my opinion  only superstar that will join LBJ with the Lakers is AD after next season, assuming they don't sign 2 superstars this season (see below). 

If history teaches us anything, after Wade and Bosh not many superstars want to join  LBJ team.   Love asked to be traded from Wolves and we all know how he was treated by LBJ  in the beginning.  Bosh had similar issues.

 

I don't see Kawhi gong to Lakers (Clippers or Raptors is my guess).  Durant, Klay or Kyrie?  Never going to happen

Kemba maybe, but  MJ always said they are going to keep (pay) him.

What I would like to see is that Lakers get their superstars this summer: Cousins and Butler.  Basketball product would be good, off the court soap opera even better.

 

 

 

Revisionist history. He's helped usher Love, Bosh, and Irving into hall of fame consideration. He's enhanced their careers. Each of those guys, even through reflection, would all love to play with Lebron again. 

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6 hours ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

So are you saying the Lakers shouldn’t have signed Lebron?

They shouldn’t have signed Lebron.

 

It’s not that’s hes not great. It’s that their timelines don’t match. Lebron needs to win now. Lakers aren’t there yet. Lebron already isn’t the best in the game and it’ll go down from here. Ingram has shown elite potential lately but he’s a few years out from truly being a star, Ball is constantly injured and also a few years from being a star, and Kuzma is a sixth man disguised as a starter. Sure, they can trade them all for AD but that’ll send them into the ice age in a few seasons. 

 

Lebron needed a team like Philly where he can go in and contend for rings. Lakers options are basically to either trade away everything they got to get bounced in the WCF as the absolute best case before being irrelevant for 5+ years due to trading everyone or to stand pat and have Lebron get bounced in the first round for the next year or two. Their only saving grace now is if Kawhi comes to LA but everyone knows that sure as hell isnt happening.

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3 hours ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

Let’s look at timeline, mostly everybody knew Year 1 was going to be experimental. A bunch of one year deals, just to see who fit, don’t trap yourself in a deep contract situation and see who pans out in Summer for the FA and go from there Year 2-4. 

The problem is the Lakers were 4th seed (whether you believe they overachieved or not) they was sitting 4th before the Lebron injury. Lebron gets hurt along with other players, and the lose 5 in a row and go I believe 6-11 without him. He comes back and they are now 4-9 and with him in the lineup but with a mixture of missing Ball, Rondo & McGee. 

So you have to look at it with a bigger lens, the team without Lebron was crap. Ingram stunk, Lonzo stunk and the team played exactly like last year, a JV basketball team. So if you like watching a fun JV team sure, Lakers shouldn’t have signed Lebron, because why compete when you’re the Lakers. 

They were 5-5 without Lebron after he went out when Lonzo, Kuzma, and Ingram played. That’s a better record than they have with Lebron on the court. I know, it doesn’t fit the narrative but that’s reality. 

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24 minutes ago, Gohawks said:

They shouldn’t have signed LeBron.

 

Indeed. In all of the big North American team sports older, established players typically sign with...umm...older, established teams that are ready to compete for a championship now.

 

LeBron might as well have signed with Phoenix.

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1 hour ago, My Dinner With Andre said:

 

Indeed. In all of the big North American team sports older, established players typically sign with...umm...older, established teams that are ready to compete for a championship now.

 

LeBron might as well have signed with Phoenix.

Right, I wonder why players always go to the Yankees instead of like the Marlins. Or why they go to the Patriots instead of like the Browns.

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1 hour ago, Gohawks said:

They shouldn’t have signed Lebron.

 

It’s not that’s hes not great. It’s that their timelines don’t match. Lebron needs to win now. Lakers aren’t there yet. Lebron already isn’t the best in the game and it’ll go down from here. Ingram has shown elite potential lately but he’s a few years out from truly being a star, Ball is constantly injured and also a few years from being a star, and Kuzma is a sixth man disguised as a starter. Sure, they can trade them all for AD but that’ll send them into the ice age in a few seasons. 

 

Lebron needed a team like Philly where he can go in and contend for rings. Lakers options are basically to either trade away everything they got to get bounced in the WCF as the absolute best case before being irrelevant for 5+ years due to trading everyone or to stand pat and have Lebron get bounced in the first round for the next year or two. Their only saving grace now is if Kawhi comes to LA but everyone knows that sure as hell isnt happening.

Well I thought if he wanted to win now he would of went to Philly, but again you would of had the same issue with him playing to Ben Simmons but I digress. He came to LA to retire and give it one last shot. If players don’t want to play in Los Angeles, then so be it. They can try to beat Golden State on their own on teams like the Knicks or the Mavericks, or some other crap team with cap space.

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