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Combined with his teammates’ failure to trust him in the wake of all that trade talk, his personal storm has turned him into a basically ineffective superstar.

And you have to wonder, how much has he been distracted by all of his movie, television and recording projects, at least three of which have either launched or been announced during the season?"

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-jeanie-buss-magic-johnson-lakers-20190304-story.html

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2 hours ago, Gile Pile said:

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Combined with his teammates’ failure to trust him in the wake of all that trade talk, his personal storm has turned him into a basically ineffective superstar.

And you have to wonder, how much has he been distracted by all of his movie, television and recording projects, at least three of which have either launched or been announced during the season?"

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-jeanie-buss-magic-johnson-lakers-20190304-story.html

Plashke was/is Jimbo's guy, so it's normal that he speaks right now. But he is not wrong and that's the sad thing.

I said that many times in this forum - the real problem is not LBJ or Magic or Pelinka. The problem is all of the Buss children except Jesse, who someday can be really good president of basketball operations with Ryan West as GM. As long as they are for the money, not for the ring, the fans will wait every summer for the FA to save the team. And will be disappointed. That's the reality, but i am optimistic, because we are talking about the Lakers, so NBA really needs the team to be relevant and Lakers will have new owner in next 7-8 years.

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7 hours ago, Gile Pile said:

Really? Did not know that.

1949 Jim Pollard

1950, 1952-1954 Jim Pollard and Vern Mikkelsen

Mikan as the best player in these titles played his first season for folded team

1972 Jerry West

1980, 1982, 1985, 1987-1988 Magic Johnson and James Worthy

2000-2002, 2009-2010 Kobe Bryant

The rule for 70+ years is - title at least with one homegrown superstar (until the end) via draft or draftday trade as best or second best player in the campaign. Good luck, Magic with the mercenaries, i mean FAs!

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21 hours ago, Kaboom said:

Magic has always maintained that it's a two-summer plan. Summer #2 is coming up in a few months, when more than 200+ free agents will be available, the most in NBA history. The only player on the Lakers under guaranteed contract is LeBron. That's it. The whole team is a completely clean slate just waiting to be built. That was done by design.

 

Just chill until then. It'll be here soon.

That's incorrect.  Under contract for next year are:

L Ball, Ingram, Wagner, Kuzma, Hart, and Bonga.  They also stretched Deng and so his 5 million can't go away.  

Also, it's nice there are so many free agents on the market, makes for an interesting summer, but let's face it, only about a half dozen matter to the Lakers.  No one cares if they went out and signed Aaron Baynes (no idea if he's a UFA).

19 hours ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

Somebody is going to want to play for the Lakers. If Lebron is as old as you say he is, then after year 2 or year 3, it’s your team to shine in one of the NBA’s biggest market, so who would not want that opportunity.

I said realistically Klay/Kyrie. With the Boston situation, I think Kyrie realizes he is not a leader after all, and Klay ( I have a feeling the Lakers will over pay for a 3 point specialist) similar to KCP. DMC is a wild card if they swing out one of those I mentioned earlier. DMC is a head case so I doubt many teams will pay for a head. He might sign where Rondo goes again.

Neither of those guys are strong odds.  Klay almost certainly is stying with the Warriors.  As discussed, Irving joining the Lakers/Lebron after forcing his way out of Lebron's shadow would be the ultimate beta move.  I don't think he has the stomach for the criticism which would come his way.  If I had to guess, it'll be Cousins and maybe Kemba IF they can't get Davis in a trade.

 

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Lakers without kobe are nothing special. Kobe was the lakers. Lmao before the season started there were all these sport talk shows debating if lebron will surpass kobe laker legacy. Only skip bayless had sense to say zero chance and predict lakers miss playoffs. Lebron will never reach kobe legendary status. 3-6 finals record. Lose to mavs badly with dirk the only all star vs. your heat 3 hall of famer team. Bailed out by miracle rebound and ray allen 3 against spurs or would have lost that series in 6 and been 2-7. Gtfo with the clowns that discuss lebron as the greatest. 

He is barely even top 5 all time. Here is the objectively true top 5 all time

1. Jordan

2. Kobe

3. Magic

4. Shaq

5. Lebron 

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23 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

That's incorrect.  Under contract for next year are:

L Ball, Ingram, Wagner, Kuzma, Hart, and Bonga.  They also stretched Deng and so his 5 million can't go away.  

Also, it's nice there are so many free agents on the market, makes for an interesting summer, but let's face it, only about a half dozen matter to the Lakers.  No one cares if they went out and signed Aaron Baynes (no idea if he's a UFA).

Neither of those guys are strong odds.  Klay almost certainly is stying with the Warriors.  As discussed, Irving joining the Lakers/Lebron after forcing his way out of Lebron's shadow would be the ultimate beta move.  I don't think he has the stomach for the criticism which would come his way.  If I had to guess, it'll be Cousins and maybe Kemba IF they can't get Davis in a trade.

 

This could be true. I just don’t see Kemba leaving the Hornets. I think he wants to be the greatest Hornet ever. I mean his legacy will last probably forever haha. 

Only reason I said Kyrie is, it is well documented Kyrie is not a leader, he is delusional if he believes he is a leader or can somehow lead a team to championship as him being the alpha. He has had two chances (Cavs) albeit he was really young and now (Celtics) where he has caused more dysfunction and I would argue Morris & Smart are leaders more than Kyrie. Kyrie hasn’t proved anything except being a clutch scorer, but leadership skills is not in him.

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3 minutes ago, Pyschout said:

My god that's a horrible top 5.  

Never trust a guy who writes a paragraph about how Lebron will never reach Kobe legacy and then retype what happened in the playoffs with a Lebron like we wasn’t all alive then and watched it.

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33 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

This could be true. I just don’t see Kemba leaving the Hornets. I think he wants to be the greatest Hornet ever. I mean his legacy will last probably forever haha. 

Only reason I said Kyrie is, it is well documented Kyrie is not a leader, he is delusional if he believes he is a leader or can somehow lead a team to championship as him being the alpha. He has had two chances (Cavs) albeit he was really young and now (Celtics) where he has caused more dysfunction and I would argue Morris & Smart are leaders more than Kyrie. Kyrie hasn’t proved anything except being a clutch scorer, but leadership skills is not in him.

I don't necessarily disagree with you about Kyrie, who confuses being the most talented with the best leader.  I don't think he's a bad guy, necessarily, I simply don't think he's a natural leader.  All of that said, I don't think going back to Lebron is in the cards for him.  He would get crushed for being weak unlike anything we've ever seen, KD and Lebron included.  I think his plan is to team up with another superstar like KD or AD.

Kemba feels that way now, but the Hornets are such a bad team and frankly, maxing out Kemba is probably a mistake.  The Hornets actually need to blow it up and start over but a small market team like them always feel the pressure to hang on to all-stars.  I think some of it will depend on if they can squeak into the playoffs.

Otherwise, it's a tough market for LA.  I don't believe KD wants LA or to play with Lebron.  Klay will be a Warrior for life, IMO.  Kawhi?  Yea, I think they have a shot there although the Clippers are rumored to be the favorite but a lot can change.  Jimmy Butler?  Also think it's possible and no idea what he's looking for.  After those guys or exploring a trade for Davis, then they probably check in on if Lillard is available or start talks with Cousins and Kemba.   So again, it's like 6 free agents who will move the needle (KD, Kawhi, Butler, Klay, Kemba, Cousins), after it's the B list of UFA's like Middleton or maybe Big Al Horford, or Vucs.  I'm sure there will be some trade scenarios we haven't thought of yet.

 

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1 hour ago, Patrick Bateman said:

That's incorrect.  Under contract for next year are:

L Ball, Ingram, Wagner, Kuzma, Hart, and Bonga.  They also stretched Deng and so his 5 million can't go away.  

Also, it's nice there are so many free agents on the market, makes for an interesting summer, but let's face it, only about a half dozen matter to the Lakers.  No one cares if they went out and signed Aaron Baynes (no idea if he's a UFA).

Neither of those guys are strong odds.  Klay almost certainly is stying with the Warriors.  As discussed, Irving joining the Lakers/Lebron after forcing his way out of Lebron's shadow would be the ultimate beta move.  I don't think he has the stomach for the criticism which would come his way.  If I had to guess, it'll be Cousins and maybe Kemba IF they can't get Davis in a trade.

 

Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and Hart are all team options, not guaranteed. The Lakers don't have to extend any of them.

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3 minutes ago, Kaboom said:

Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and Hart are all team options, not guaranteed. The Lakers don't have to extend any of them.

They've already picked up those options for all of them (and why wouldn't they?).  They're on the books.

 

 

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17 hours ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

Well I thought if he wanted to win now he would of went to Philly, but again you would of had the same issue with him playing to Ben Simmons but I digress. He came to LA to retire and give it one last shot. If players don’t want to play in Los Angeles, then so be it. They can try to beat Golden State on their own on teams like the Knicks or the Mavericks, or some other crap team with cap space.

I don't understand the Simmons/Philly thing...are you saying he would fetch criticism joining up with the young Simmons? 

I don't think Lebron went to LA to retire and give it "one last shot." That isn't giving him enough credit as a competitor. I don't care about GOAT and I don't care about Finals records. Lebron is a competitor at his core. A competitor does not just pack it in and try to get lucky one last time in the last 3-5 years of his career. I doubt he was just willing to accept that he wouldn't be in the Finals after living there for most of his career. Assuming he is content giving it a shot is kind of an excuse for the franchise and the star player. 

I am shocked at the collapse of the Lakers, but I don't think it is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Similar to how I just don't think the Clippers making the playoffs really makes a difference for them next season. No one will care about this season when they scheme for next season in free agent pitches. As much as there was wishful thinking to start the year, this Lakers team was never expected to compete for the championship this year. Let's keep that in perspective. If you honestly bought that KCP was bread that fell from heaven I don't know what to say. This team is in transition. When they pitch in the offseason they are going to look in the future with the targeted free agent + Lebron in a scheme and supporting cast. This season just doesn't matter because you are buying the future, not the past. 

This isn't a Lebron problem either. People like to kick people when they are down. I think Lebron is being annoying, but he isn't the reason they are here unless you want to blame his injury. This is 100% a front office problem. They missed on PG13 and that is a MASSIVE miss. They had a superstar that wanted to be a part of the franchise for reasons beyond winning, and they didn't even take a swing at it. They are in a high stakes game and they blinked. People will play with Lebron, but he isn't the only game in town. The Warriors attracted KD because of their system and style. Honestly, who wouldn't want to play with them where they share the ball and play without ego compared to being on Lebron's team. That isn't saying Lebron as a teammate is bad, it is just saying something is better. The Lakers will get better and are going to sign someone. If I am guessing it will be Jimmy Butler. 

 

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1 minute ago, thezing1 said:

I don't understand the Simmons/Philly thing...are you saying he would fetch criticism joining up with the young Simmons? 

I don't think Lebron went to LA to retire and give it "one last shot." That isn't giving him enough credit as a competitor. I don't care about GOAT and I don't care about Finals records. Lebron is a competitor at his core. A competitor does not just pack it in and try to get lucky one last time in the last 3-5 years of his career. I doubt he was just willing to accept that he wouldn't be in the Finals after living there for most of his career. Assuming he is content giving it a shot is kind of an excuse for the franchise and the star player. 

I am shocked at the collapse of the Lakers, but I don't think it is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Similar to how I just don't think the Clippers making the playoffs really makes a difference for them next season. No one will care about this season when they scheme for next season in free agent pitches. As much as there was wishful thinking to start the year, this Lakers team was never expected to compete for the championship this year. Let's keep that in perspective. If you honestly bought that KCP was bread that fell from heaven I don't know what to say. This team is in transition. When they pitch in the offseason they are going to look in the future with the targeted free agent + Lebron in a scheme and supporting cast. This season just doesn't matter because you are buying the future, not the past. 

This isn't a Lebron problem either. People like to kick people when they are down. I think Lebron is being annoying, but he isn't the reason they are here unless you want to blame his injury. This is 100% a front office problem. They missed on PG13 and that is a MASSIVE miss. They had a superstar that wanted to be a part of the franchise for reasons beyond winning, and they didn't even take a swing at it. They are in a high stakes game and they blinked. People will play with Lebron, but he isn't the only game in town. The Warriors attracted KD because of their system and style. Honestly, who wouldn't want to play with them where they share the ball and play without ego compared to being on Lebron's team. That isn't saying Lebron as a teammate is bad, it is just saying something is better. The Lakers will get better and are going to sign someone. If I am guessing it will be Jimmy Butler. 

 

 

well said, in the grand scheme of things it doesnt matter, because Lebron is a competitor at his core. Plus MJ took a year to play baseball. For lebron, it was filming Space Jam 2 and getting his hollywood roots in. Hopefully after an eventful summer free agency, the lakers will be competitive next year, so if the lakers start winning the following consecutive years with lebron, then they will forget about this blemish year. 

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48 minutes ago, thezing1 said:

I don't understand the Simmons/Philly thing...are you saying he would fetch criticism joining up with the young Simmons? 

I don't think Lebron went to LA to retire and give it "one last shot." That isn't giving him enough credit as a competitor. I don't care about GOAT and I don't care about Finals records. Lebron is a competitor at his core. A competitor does not just pack it in and try to get lucky one last time in the last 3-5 years of his career. I doubt he was just willing to accept that he wouldn't be in the Finals after living there for most of his career. Assuming he is content giving it a shot is kind of an excuse for the franchise and the star player. 

I am shocked at the collapse of the Lakers, but I don't think it is a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Similar to how I just don't think the Clippers making the playoffs really makes a difference for them next season. No one will care about this season when they scheme for next season in free agent pitches. As much as there was wishful thinking to start the year, this Lakers team was never expected to compete for the championship this year. Let's keep that in perspective. If you honestly bought that KCP was bread that fell from heaven I don't know what to say. This team is in transition. When they pitch in the offseason they are going to look in the future with the targeted free agent + Lebron in a scheme and supporting cast. This season just doesn't matter because you are buying the future, not the past. 

This isn't a Lebron problem either. People like to kick people when they are down. I think Lebron is being annoying, but he isn't the reason they are here unless you want to blame his injury. This is 100% a front office problem. They missed on PG13 and that is a MASSIVE miss. They had a superstar that wanted to be a part of the franchise for reasons beyond winning, and they didn't even take a swing at it. They are in a high stakes game and they blinked. People will play with Lebron, but he isn't the only game in town. The Warriors attracted KD because of their system and style. Honestly, who wouldn't want to play with them where they share the ball and play without ego compared to being on Lebron's team. That isn't saying Lebron as a teammate is bad, it is just saying something is better. The Lakers will get better and are going to sign someone. If I am guessing it will be Jimmy Butler. 

 

Signing Jimmy and getting better are 2 different scenarios. If Jimmy is the superstar to pair with LBJ, God to help the team and the fans for next 8-10 years!

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2 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

That's incorrect.  Under contract for next year are:

L Ball, Ingram, Wagner, Kuzma, Hart, and Bonga.  They also stretched Deng and so his 5 million can't go away.  

Also, it's nice there are so many free agents on the market, makes for an interesting summer, but let's face it, only about a half dozen matter to the Lakers.  No one cares if they went out and signed Aaron Baynes (no idea if he's a UFA).

Neither of those guys are strong odds.  Klay almost certainly is stying with the Warriors.  As discussed, Irving joining the Lakers/Lebron after forcing his way out of Lebron's shadow would be the ultimate beta move.  I don't think he has the stomach for the criticism which would come his way.  If I had to guess, it'll be Cousins and maybe Kemba IF they can't get Davis in a trade.

 

Lol no way Lakers are going after Cousins and Kemba

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59 minutes ago, thezing1 said:

As much as there was wishful thinking to start the year, this Lakers team was never expected to compete for the championship this year. Let's keep that in perspective. If you honestly bought that KCP was bread that fell from heaven I don't know what to say. This team is in transition. When they pitch in the offseason they are going to look in the future with the targeted free agent + Lebron in a scheme and supporting cast. This season just doesn't matter because you are buying the future, not the past. 

This isn't a Lebron problem either. People like to kick people when they are down. I think Lebron is being annoying, but he isn't the reason they are here unless you want to blame his injury. This is 100% a front office problem. They missed on PG13 and that is a MASSIVE miss. They had a superstar that wanted to be a part of the franchise for reasons beyond winning, and they didn't even take a swing at it. They are in a high stakes game and they blinked. People will play with Lebron, but he isn't the only game in town. The Warriors attracted KD because of their system and style. 

 

I agree, let's also not forget Lebron has been to 8 straight finals and that mileage has caught up to him this season. Also, the Lakers were 5th in the West before his injury and the starters have not played more than 20 games together throughout the season. The KCP contract was a favor for Rich Paul for bringing Lebron to the Lakers, Lakers basically offered 2 1 year prove it close to max deals to KCP, they have no desire of keeping him long term and they shouldn't. But for sure front office messed up this past offseason with their signings. I'm not sure how much input Lebron had on the personnel but none of the signings fit Lebron, maybe he wanted more ball handlers and guys that can create their own shot to lessen his role throughout the season to prep for the playoffs. Also Zo being out has been a big loss, he has been their best perimeter defender, something Rondo isn't at the twilight of his career. 

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also...

 

for the first time in forever, Lebron is going to have a full NBA offseason as well, dudes been in the final games of his sport for 8 straight years carrying them, thats crazy, next year rested Lebron like we havent seen in 8 years haha........👀

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the real problem with lakers this season has been injuries. not just to LeBron but to rondo, ingram, kuzma, and zo. that's literally it. that's why their defense is so bad because you need time and chemistry to play team defense. for those who say its because of the front office, LeBron, the young guys, or the trade rumors clearly hasn't been watching the lakers play and have only been listening to the media

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I just finished reading this tread from the beginning.  Quite interesting  😁

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2 hours ago, thezing1 said:

I don't understand the Simmons/Philly thing...are you saying he would fetch criticism joining up with the young Simmons? 

I don't think Lebron went to LA to retire and give it "one last shot." That isn't giving him enough credit as a competitor. I don't care about GOAT and I don't care about Finals records. Lebron is a competitor at his core. A competitor does not just pack it in and try to get lucky one last time in the last 3-5 years of his career. I doubt he was just willing to accept that he wouldn't be in the Finals after living there for most of his career. Assuming he is content giving it a shot is kind of an excuse for the franchise and the star player. 

 

 

No, I agreed with your post. The Philly response was to someone who said Lebron should of stayed in the East and if he wanted to be competitive join up with the Sixers instead of trying to revamp/reshape the Lakers roster. Also, reason I said last shot is because, people on here bring up that Lebron is in decline and he is 34 going on 35 and at the end of his contract he’ll be 38. Who knows how competitive Lebron will be or how in shape he’ll be in at 38 years old. If he could play like Vince Carter until he is 42, but who knows.

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When was last time when anyone drafted Vince Carter in fantasy?

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Henry Rivera was right.

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LeBron's playbook is not working in LA.

 

Can't really on a weak conference and his MVP-level skills and allure -- let's face it, he's getting old -- to underwrite the internal turmoil he sows with his comments and antics.

 

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On 3/5/2019 at 6:25 PM, Bugs bunny said:

Has anyone else noticed how he seems to have put on weight? He's kinda getting a gut. 

Oops thought I was in the Lebron thread. 

Disregard this post. Just realized someone in my family must have accidentally switched the TV to widescreen. Lol. I can't believe I watched the entire game like that. Lol. Was wondering why he looked like a bowling ball. 

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One thing is certain, the disrespect for Kobe by fans and media has become laughably disgusting. It’s like he’s not in the conversation at all anymore. The dude dragged bums far worse than this team in an insanely competitive west multiple seasons.

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