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On 10/2/2019 at 9:18 AM, Morat said:

ESPN QUESTION:  Is there any way to find out what a player did while on my team? I just want Darvish's stats while he was on my team.  I remember doing this last year.  

Not this year but it's also one of the best features. We have to have this feature working. It's a must have. 

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16 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

Depends on different platforms what is "traditional."  With Yahoo roto (and head-to-head and points ... why does the "format" matter as in the settings are the same default in all formats on a platform, right?) leagues he is eligible at 2B, SS, 3B and OF (or CF and LF in leagues that divide up the OF position).

You are right, Yahoo, is 10 but I think on Yahoo if you hit a double or triple during that season I think that gives you 2B or 3B eligibility its one of the more loose when it comes to position eligibility or by loose has some of the fewest games needed.  What I mean by "traditional" is your old school Roto settings, which pre-date yahoo - and I would say the plurality of leagues out there are still probably 20 games though obviously youre right, some providers are less. .  

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4 hours ago, parrothead said:

You are right, Yahoo, is 10 but I think on Yahoo if you hit a double or triple during that season I think that gives you 2B or 3B eligibility its one of the more loose when it comes to position eligibility or by loose has some of the fewest games needed.  What I mean by "traditional" is your old school Roto settings, which pre-date yahoo - and I would say the plurality of leagues out there are still probably 20 games though obviously youre right, some providers are less. .  

No, not really about what a player hits.  Yahoo is 5 games started OR 10 appearances at a position (either one will do).  Period.  It has nothing to do with doubles or triples or something entirely weird like that.  It then carries over to the next year as well. 

And Yahoo is probably the top platform numbers wise with ESPN still in the mix though their latest "upgrade" may have driven a few people away.  All the other platforms are really small in numbers of customers in comparison because of the casual fans they both have due to the totally free platforms both Yahoo and ESPN offer.  Also a lot of us hardcore as well because why pay for something when you can get it free and it is also better than the "pay" rivals from a lot of our pov's as well. And offering huge numbers of players already it is easy to recruit fellow users into your leagues if needed.

From what I understand ESPN's format is 10 appearances or "games" as they call it period -- no "games started" qualifier used as an alternative.  But you then need 20 to carry over for the next year instead of the 10.  But next year you only need 10 appearances again to re-qualify that way.

I think Yahoo is pretty reflective of today's game where so many more players do play multi-positions almost constantly it seems.

As far as Scott Kingery, per YAHOO rules and according to Baseball Reference https://www.baseball-reference.com/

  • OF - 60 games started, 69 appearances ... and then broken down per individual positions for those types of leagues:
  • CF - 57 games started, 65 appearances (re-qualifies under both Yahoo parameters)
  • LF - 3 games started, 10 appearances (re-qualifies under "appearances" criteria and re-qualifying under one of them as fine as it is an "or" and not an "and")
  • RF - 0 games started, 1 appearance (did not qualify this season nor next)

Appearances can be a bit more than total games played in because players can be shifted around to a different position in a single game especially in the NL.

The infield stuff:

  • 2B - 6 games started, 10 appearances (re-qualifies under both)
  • SS - 12 games started, 18 appearances (re-qualifies under both)
  • 3B - 37 games started, 41 appearances (re-qualifies under both)

 

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5 hours ago, parrothead said:

You are right, Yahoo, is 10 but I think on Yahoo if you hit a double or triple during that season I think that gives you 2B or 3B eligibility its one of the more loose when it comes to position eligibility or by loose has some of the fewest games needed.  

 

 

 

the doubles and triples line didn't go over my head.

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On 10/15/2019 at 4:34 PM, The Big Bat Theory said:

No, not really about what a player hits.  Yahoo is 5 games started OR 10 appearances at a position (either one will do).  Period.  It has nothing to do with doubles or triples or something entirely weird like that.  It then carries over to the next year as well. 

And Yahoo is probably the top platform numbers wise with ESPN still in the mix though their latest "upgrade" may have driven a few people away.  All the other platforms are really small in numbers of customers in comparison because of the casual fans they both have due to the totally free platforms both Yahoo and ESPN offer.  Also a lot of us hardcore as well because why pay for something when you can get it free and it is also better than the "pay" rivals from a lot of our pov's as well. And offering huge numbers of players already it is easy to recruit fellow users into your leagues if needed.

From what I understand ESPN's format is 10 appearances or "games" as they call it period -- no "games started" qualifier used as an alternative.  But you then need 20 to carry over for the next year instead of the 10.  But next year you only need 10 appearances again to re-qualify that way.

I think Yahoo is pretty reflective of today's game where so many more players do play multi-positions almost constantly it seems.

As far as Scott Kingery, per YAHOO rules and according to Baseball Reference https://www.baseball-reference.com/

  • OF - 60 games started, 69 appearances ... and then broken down per individual positions for those types of leagues:
  • CF - 57 games started, 65 appearances (re-qualifies under both Yahoo parameters)
  • LF - 3 games started, 10 appearances (re-qualifies under "appearances" criteria and re-qualifying under one of them as fine as it is an "or" and not an "and")
  • RF - 0 games started, 1 appearance (did not qualify this season nor next)

Appearances can be a bit more than total games played in because players can be shifted around to a different position in a single game especially in the NL.

The infield stuff:

  • 2B - 6 games started, 10 appearances (re-qualifies under both)
  • SS - 12 games started, 18 appearances (re-qualifies under both)
  • 3B - 37 games started, 41 appearances (re-qualifies under both)

 

Its a joke - basically stating that yahoo is one of the more liberal when it comes to positional eligibility of any format with the least amount of requirements - 

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And Yahoo is probably the top platform numbers wise with ESPN still in the mix though their latest "upgrade" may have driven a few people away.  All the other platforms are really small in numbers of customers in comparison

Source?  Im curious because it seems a lot of the mocks I follow, discussions and rankings generally use the 20-game standard, which if the site most users were using was 10 or 5 starts why they wouldnt go that route 

 

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I'm not aware of any public info about fantasy platform market share, but it stands to reason that "free" platforms would dwarf pay platforms.  The reason you see industry mocks and podcasts talking about 20 game standards is because that's what their platforms (e.g. NFBC) use.  I'd be stunned if NFBC, RTSports, and Fantrax add up to a quarter of either Yahoo or ESPN alone in terms of number of players.

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20 hours ago, tonycpsu said:

I'm not aware of any public info about fantasy platform market share, but it stands to reason that "free" platforms would dwarf pay platforms.  The reason you see industry mocks and podcasts talking about 20 game standards is because that's what their platforms (e.g. NFBC) use.  I'd be stunned if NFBC, RTSports, and Fantrax add up to a quarter of either Yahoo or ESPN alone in terms of number of players.

Probably should ask this in Platform thread, so my apologies in advance as we have hijacked the SK thread, but do those platforms have setting options?  So when I mentioned Traditional Roto, meant that for years the standard was 20 games, do Yahoo or ESPN have setting options?  

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We generally let off topic stuff go in the offseason (to a point anyway) but for posterity, I'm moving the platform derail here from the Kingery thread.

Fantrax is the only platform I've used that lets you customize eligibility parameters.  I know it's fixed in Yahoo at 5 starts or 10 appearances and can't be customized.  Not sure about others.

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2 hours ago, tonycpsu said:

We generally let off topic stuff go in the offseason (to a point anyway) but for posterity, I'm moving the platform derail here from the Kingery thread.

Fantrax is the only platform I've used that lets you customize eligibility parameters.  I know it's fixed in Yahoo at 5 starts or 10 appearances and can't be customized.  Not sure about others.

Onroto which is what we use does - 

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2 hours ago, parrothead said:

Probably should ask this in Platform thread, so my apologies in advance as we have hijacked the SK thread, but do those platforms have setting options?  So when I mentioned Traditional Roto, meant that for years the standard was 20 games, do Yahoo or ESPN have setting options?  

I don't think Yahoo has the ability to change eligibility requirements but I might be missing it.  And they sure have the ability to change almost anything else in their settings editing feature.  And since the Yahoo platform and it's 5/10 format have been around for years and years and years I think "traditional" can also mean that too as well as ESPN's 10 format.  If you mean way WAY W-A-Y back in newspaper, pre-internet days then maybe add "pre-internet" to the term "traditional" because otherwise it gets really confusing since most of us I am guessing have only ever played online and don't remember the horse and carriage days of newspaper fantasy baseball.  🙂

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Sorry for second post in a row but you know the stupid 5 minute I think it is time-out for editing anything here.  Talk about editing settings we need this to be longer in this forum.

Anyway after posting the above I wondered just how long fantasy baseball has been online for Yahoo and ESPN.  Didn't find the ESPN data or stopped looking too soon.  But Yahoo started at the end of the last century, 1999.  So it has been chugging away for 20 years now which puts it into "traditional" for me as in nearly a whole generation has passed since it started.  And numerous generations of technology as well.

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16 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

I don't think Yahoo has the ability to change eligibility requirements but I might be missing it.  And they sure have the ability to change almost anything else in their settings editing feature.  And since the Yahoo platform and it's 5/10 format have been around for years and years and years I think "traditional" can also mean that too as well as ESPN's 10 format.  If you mean way WAY W-A-Y back in newspaper, pre-internet days then maybe add "pre-internet" to the term "traditional" because otherwise it gets really confusing since most of us I am guessing have only ever played online and don't remember the horse and carriage days of newspaper fantasy baseball.  🙂

Position Eligibility Rules

CBS P.E. Rules (scroll down a bit)

  • 20 games played preseason, 5 games played in-season

ESPN P.E. Rules

  • 20 games played preseason, 10 games played in-season
  • 5 starts (3 in-season) to quality as a starting pitcher
  • 8 relief appearances (5 in-season) to qualify as a relief pitcher

Fantrax P.E. Rules

  • 20 games played preseason, 10 games played in-season
  • 5 starts (3 in-season) to quality as a starting pitcher
  • 8 relief appearances (5 in-season) to qualify as a relief pitcher

Yahoo P.E. Rules

  • 5 starts or 10 games played preseason and in-season
  • 3 starts to quality as a starting pitcher
  • 5 relief appearances to qualify as a relief pitcher

NFBC P.E. Rules (click “Rosters” to find P.E.)

  • 20 games played pre-season, 10 games played in-season
  • Does not use separate starter and relief pitcher positions
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1 minute ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

Cool.  So no format defaults to 20 games anymore in season.  10 max with Yahoo leading the charge to how modern baseball is played.

Not sure I have ever seen 20 games inseason, even our league which originated in the stone age was 5 pre-ASB and 10 after all star break.  My simple point was that when it comes to rankings by position, that Yahoo has the lowest requirement pretty much of any sites, that most sites still use what the traditional number was, which was 20.  At this point most of the discussion is about the offseason and rankings, etc as it was with Kingery which is where this started.  Actually when looking at guys thus far this year, I have not run across a huge number of impact guys that are gonna be Yahoo eligible and not something else. 

The interesting thing about positions that nobody has really talked much is the shifts and I cannot understand why for the life of me we even bother listing positions.  If the player listed as being the Third Baseman, is now standing in shallow RIGHT FIELD, with the player listed as First base to his left and the person listed as second base to his right - he is no longer the 3B IMO - he is the second baseman, and the second baseman is now the SS and the SS is now 3B.  When you are no longer the closest non P/C Infielder to Third Base you at least for that batter are not the third baseman.  Baseball has an obvious time problem as it is, it sure as heck is not going to have the manager come out to change the lineup card in this instance, but still....why have positions at all these days. 

 

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1 hour ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

Cool.  So no format defaults to 20 games anymore in season.  10 max with Yahoo leading the charge to how modern baseball is played.

The guy who was our commish actually in the late 90's actually put in an interesting rule which I havent seen other formats used, but it makes sense and we still use it today.  So in "Traditional" roto lineup configurations, you have CI and MI one thing he put in was that if a guy played say 12 games at 1B and 9 games at 3B, with the 20 game rule he would not be 1B or 3B eligible, but if combined 1B+3B exceeded 20 you could plug him into the CI spot, same with 2b and SS for the MI spot.  

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On 10/18/2019 at 2:41 PM, parrothead said:

Position Eligibility Rules

CBS P.E. Rules (scroll down a bit)

  • 20 games played preseason, 5 games played in-season


I don’t know if you can customize in CBS, but I’m almost positive my CBS league is 10 games in season. 

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1 hour ago, Flyman75 said:


I don’t know if you can customize in CBS, but I’m almost positive my CBS league is 10 games in season. 

If its like football, which one of my leagues uses, the paid CBS one has a lot of customization options - not sure about the freebie.  

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On 10/18/2019 at 3:40 PM, The Big Bat Theory said:

Sorry for second post in a row but you know the stupid 5 minute I think it is time-out for editing anything here.  Talk about editing settings we need this to be longer in this forum.

Anyway after posting the above I wondered just how long fantasy baseball has been online for Yahoo and ESPN.  Didn't find the ESPN data or stopped looking too soon.  But Yahoo started at the end of the last century, 1999.  So it has been chugging away for 20 years now which puts it into "traditional" for me as in nearly a whole generation has passed since it started.  And numerous generations of technology as well.

ESPN started a few years later and was pay to play at first. 

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On 10/18/2019 at 3:22 PM, parrothead said:

Onroto which is what we use does - 


onroto is great. Been using it for years.

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1 hour ago, MrWannaBee said:


onroto is great. Been using it for years.

Yep us too, years ago one of the first platforms we used was a site called TQ stats - probably used them in the mid 2000's then they were sold and the platform changed and stunk - anyhow the original guys from TQ are the onroto guys, so it was such a welcomed thing for our league.  They have great individual service, really ideal for leagues that use minor leaguers like dynasties as they will add guys for you who are not in their database, but they already have a lot of the top draft prospects and international talent in their database long before they are signed or drafted to an MLB team.  

I know it works well for season long roto - but not 100% sure for other formats, daily games, frequent lineup change games because I have heard they lack an app.  

 

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Question: now that it is the offseason when will ESPN allow trade proposals again?  Currently, in our ESPN keeper league I'm not able to propose trades to other teams and I'm getting anxious because it's a keeper league and I'd like to get started on trading again...

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1 hour ago, BCMarch10 said:

Question: now that it is the offseason when will ESPN allow trade proposals again?  Currently, in our ESPN keeper league I'm not able to propose trades to other teams and I'm getting anxious because it's a keeper league and I'd like to get started on trading again...

If ESPN is like most other platforms -- and I think it is -- you can do that when they re-open (unlock) the leagues around spring training time.  In other words if you can't move players in and out of the line-up/bench slots right now it means that the league is locked and shut down for the off season.

Some very few leagues work around this.  They make spreadsheets and trade off line in the off season but if your commish doesn't have a website and that kind of elaborate off season set-up in place then you have to wait until next spring.  The majority of dynasty and keeper leagues do that and just follow platform protocol using spring training period for pre-mini-redraft trades, selecting keepers, etc.  They wait until the leagues get unlocked again roughly about the time spring training starts give a few days either way.

If you want to be absolutely sure of the situation for your league then just email your commish.

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Currently, in my ESPN league we can move our players in and out of position spots, add free agents and drop free agents. So, there is full mobility. But, it just doesn't allow us to propose trades. This is different from last year. I guess the "new ESPN software" this year doesn't allow it. Last year it did.

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