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Steeler Fake FG For TD -- Scoring

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Curious how this is being scored in various leagues.

 

In my ESPN league, there doesn't seem to be a scoring category for this so it's not showing up. There is a scoring category for "Blocked Punt or FG Return For TD" but I don't see 6 points scored for this yet, and it really wasn't a "FG return."

 

In my CBS league it is since it just gives all "defensive and special teams TDs" 6 points.

 

Gotta think some games will be determined by that flukey play.

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Just now, kyoun1e said:

Curious how this is being scored in various leagues.

 

In my ESPN league, there doesn't seem to be a scoring category for this so it's not showing up. There is a scoring category for "Blocked Punt or FG Return For TD" but I don't see 6 points scored for this yet, and it really wasn't a "FG return."

 

In my CBS league it is since it just gives all "defensive and special teams TDs" 6 points.

 

Gotta think some games will be determined by that flukey play.

 

not sure what you are asking but I see Boswell with +4 PASS TD and the yardage 

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1 minute ago, JSA2422 said:

 

not sure what you are asking but I see Boswell with +4 PASS TD and the yardage 

 

I think he’s asking if the Pitt D/ST gets 6 pts...

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Yahoo default defense scoring gives no points to the special teams, only the kicker got the points for the TD. 

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Our league gave Boswell the TD pass. Technically the Steelers were in possession of the ball. Even though the personnel were special teams players, they still ran an offensive play

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It’s an offensive play, pretty cut and dry. Boswell should get 4/6+ pts for the pass TD and the yardage, and the OL that obviously nobody started should get the receiving TD and the receiving yards.

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Boswell gets the TD I believe.

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It is a special teams TD because the FG unit was on the field.  That is part of the special teams.

 

It didn't count in my league, though.  Sad.

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20 minutes ago, SharkSwimmer said:

It is a special teams TD because the FG unit was on the field.  That is part of the special teams.

 

It didn't count in my league, though.  Sad.

 

I agree with this. That should be scored as a D/ST TD, not points for individual player. If an owner lost because of this difference they could definitely make a good case.

 

I don't think its as simple as saying that it was an offensive play because technically 4th down is still an offensive down anyways. I think you have to base it on the unit on the field.

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3 minutes ago, nonstopfan said:

 

I agree with this. That should be scored as a D/ST TD, not points for individual player. If an owner lost because of this difference they could definitely make a good case.

 

I don't think its as simple as saying that it was an offensive play because technically 4th down is still an offensive down anyways. I think you have to base it on the unit on the field.

 

What if it was James Conner in on the FG unit for whatever reason and he caught the TD. You’d be singing a different tune if you were a Conner owner.

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In leagues where Boswell was awarded the TD pass, how did they account for it in the scoring categories?  Kickers don't have a category for yds, TDS, etc. 

 

Just curious

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Just now, smeeze said:

 

What if it was James Conner in on the FG unit for whatever reason and he caught the TD. You’d be singing a different tune if you were a Conner owner.

 

I was thinking about that, but it's the same scenario with Tyreek Hill that last few seasons. I've never received any of those kick/punt return TD's in his individual scoring unless your league obvious included return yds/TD's.

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9 minutes ago, nonstopfan said:

 

I was thinking about that, but it's the same scenario with Tyreek Hill that last few seasons. I've never received any of those kick/punt return TD's in his individual scoring unless your league obvious included return yds/TD's.

 

Those are return TDs. We’re talking about a throwing TD and a receiving TD. Not to mention throwing yards and receiving yards. Offensive statistics. 

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I think both the D/ST and Boswell should get the TD.

 

One year I advanced to the playoffs because I was starting both AB and the Steelers D/ST — AB ran a punt back for a TD and it counted twice for 12 points. I wound up winning that matchup by less than 1 point.

 

If that TD counted twice, why shouldn’t this one?  The special teams unit was on the field, so they should get the TD. Boswell should also get credited for a passing TD + yardage.

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Just now, eg4190 said:

I think both the D/ST and Boswell should get the TD.

 

One year I advanced to the playoffs because I was starting both AB and the Steelers D/ST — AB ran a punt back for a TD and it counted twice for 12 points. I wound up winning that matchup by less than 1 point.

 

If that TD counted twice, why shouldn’t this one?  The special teams unit was on the field, so they should get the TD. Boswell should also get credited for a passing TD + yardage.

 

Your league has crappy settings if that’s the case. In most leagues, return TDs aren’t awarded to the players. In those leagues that do award return TDs, the DST doesn’t get them.

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2 minutes ago, smeeze said:

 

Your league has crappy settings if that’s the case. In most leagues, return TDs aren’t awarded to the players. In those leagues that do award return TDs, the DST doesn’t get them.

 

I like having the settings that way.  It’s more fun when a fantasy-relevant WR (rather than a return specialist like Patterson) manages a return TD.  It really doesn’t happen that often, and I don’t like the idea of guys like AB and Hill getting no points for an explosive play like that.

 

Last week Winston threw a TD to Brate and it stacked. Lots of TDs stack. This one  for Boswell and the Steelers D should stack.

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2 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

 

I like having the settings that way.  It’s more fun when a fantasy-relevant WR (rather than a return specialist like Patterson) manages a return TD.  It really doesn’t happen that often, and I don’t like the idea of guys like AB and Hill getting no points for an explosive play like that.

 

Last week Winston threw a TD to Brate and it stacked. Lots of TDs stack. This one  for Boswell and the Steelers D should stack.

 

Apples and oranges. And not really relevant to the original discussion. I’m just pointing out your league settings are absolutely not normal, and frankly kind of dumb.

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11 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

I think both the D/ST and Boswell should get the TD.

 

One year I advanced to the playoffs because I was starting both AB and the Steelers D/ST — AB ran a punt back for a TD and it counted twice for 12 points. I wound up winning that matchup by less than 1 point.

 

If that TD counted twice, why shouldn’t this one?  The special teams unit was on the field, so they should get the TD. Boswell should also get credited for a passing TD + yardage.

 

Difference here is in your scenario the special teams play was actually executed... There was a punt that took place.  There was no such play here, simply a pass on a trick play 4th down from the 3rd string QB.

 

13 minutes ago, smeeze said:

 

Your league has crappy settings if that’s the case. In most leagues, return TDs aren’t awarded to the players. In those leagues that do award return TDs, the DST doesn’t get them.

 

That's ESPN standard my friend, you know the world wide leader.  Just cuz you play by different rules doesn't mean your normal.

 

29 minutes ago, Funkenstein said:

In leagues where Boswell was awarded the TD pass, how did they account for it in the scoring categories?  Kickers don't have a category for yds, TDS, etc. 

 

Just curious

 

If a player is rostered in ESPN you can view the scoring in their individual match under scoring breakdown.  Guy in my league won by 2...

 

 

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1 minute ago, Flynfiesta6 said:

 

Difference here is in your scenario the special teams play was actually executed... There was a punt that took place.  There was no such play here, simply a pass on a trick play 4th down from the 3rd string QB.

 

 

And that is a much more compelling argument than “your settings are dumb.”

 

In my league a guy actually started both Boswell and Steelers D, but since it was between the 10th and 11th place teams and this play didn’t affect the outcome I don’t have to litigate this. 

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4 minutes ago, eg4190 said:

 

And that is a much more compelling argument than “your settings are dumb.”

 

In my league a guy actually started both Boswell and Steelers D, but since it was between the 10th and 11th place teams and this play didn’t affect the outcome I don’t have to litigate this. 

 

No one on here plays by the same settings so belittling someone for playing the game a different way is childish. 

 

Yeah there is no way both get credit IMO.  They ran a 4th down play not a special teams play as no foot hit the ball at any time.

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13 minutes ago, Flynfiesta6 said:

That's ESPN standard my friend, you know the world wide leader.  Just cuz you play by different rules doesn't mean your normal.

 

ESPN fantasy is awful, that scoring system is a joke.

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2 minutes ago, smeeze said:

 

ESPN fantasy is awful, that scoring system is a joke.

 

To each their own.  The fact that you think only your scoring system is the way to play Fantasy Football is a joke.  Grow up dude.

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3 minutes ago, Flynfiesta6 said:

 

To each their own.  The fact that you think only your scoring system is the way to play Fantasy Football is a joke.  Grow up dude.

 

I never said my scoring system was the only way to play, in fact I play multiple different scoring systems. But being able to get 2 TDs for the same play (return TD for the player & the DST) is pretty bush league. Should be one or the other IMO. No need to be so sensitive about your settings.

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1 minute ago, smeeze said:

 

I never said my scoring system was the only way to play, in fact I play multiple different scoring systems. But being able to get 2 TDs for the same play (return TD for the player & the DST) is pretty bush league. Should be one or the other IMO. No need to be so sensitive about your settings.

 

Maybe state it like that then instead of saying that their league has crappy settings.  I taught my daughter this lesson in 1st grade, its fine if you don't like it but it doesn't mean no one can... she didn't like mushrooms on her pizza and if you do then you have a crappy taste in pizza! 

 

I don't think its bush league, it makes some players like T. Hill even more valuable and adds more players to the fantasy relevant pool, which is important in deeper leagues. 

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1 hour ago, nonstopfan said:

 

I agree with this. That should be scored as a D/ST TD, not points for individual player. If an owner lost because of this difference they could definitely make a good case.

 

I don't think its as simple as saying that it was an offensive play because technically 4th down is still an offensive down anyways. I think you have to base it on the unit on the field.

I respectfully disagree. 

Kicker kicks fg - kicker gets points, just as if a qb kicks the fg or a rb runs for a td or a wr recovers a fumble in the end zone for a td.  The player scored the points and is rightfully credited with them (both by the NFL and in fantasy).

DST does NOT get points for a fg.  It may be special teamers on the field, but they're executing an offensive play.

This differs from a kick return td, where a player gets points for the td, but the DST does also - like thrower and receiver both get the points for a passing td.

Here's the key difference: there is no such thing, fundamentally, as a special teams play.  At the beginning of every play, there is always an offense a defense - a team that starts with possession of the ball and team that starts without possession. 

The kicking team is on offense, as they begin the play with possession of the ball (whether it's a fg, punt, or kick off).

Calling the fantasy player DST is, in a sense, a misnomer that's useful to avoid confusion (in most cases).  It could simply be called "defense" and would be accurate - kick return touchdowns are defensive scores.

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