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Francisco Lindor 2019 Outlook

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11 minutes ago, TheNephilim said:

Nah.  It will be much longer than 1 or 2 weeks.    Moderate sprain probably looking at least 4-6 wks maybe longer.   

I was saying including the 11 days I already counted on him missing.  so 2 more weeks than I originally expected would make it around 4 weeks total.

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5 minutes ago, william said:

soooo who else is waiting for Yahoo! to update so we can move him to IL/DL

They'll update when he gets put on it. RW needs to stop with their blurbs saying they were put on the IL when in fact they were not.

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2 minutes ago, duke of queens said:

They'll update when he gets put on it. RW needs to stop with their blurbs saying they were put on the IL when in fact they were not.

I checked Twitter before RW and this article came up - made it sound like he was already on it: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/03/indians-to-select-contract-of-hanley-ramirez-place-francisco-lindor-on-il.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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For as much grief as yahoo gets about their IL/DL they're actually pretty good at updating the site. When Lindor shows up as being put on the IL here...

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/transactions/index.jsp#month=3&year=2019

...he'll be on the IL in yahoo pretty quickly. Notice all players put on the IL today 3/27 (Olson, Bassit, VerHagen) are on the IL in yahoo as well.

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On 3/26/2019 at 1:51 PM, MSU2661 said:

1 for 4 4rbi yesterday in a minor league game and played 8 innings in the field. Congrats to everyone who got him in the second round!

This is why you don’t jinx things right before Opening Day.

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8 minutes ago, william said:

The article states "he will begin the year on the IL", not that he is already on it.

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42 minutes ago, MrBrown said:

I was saying including the 11 days I already counted on him missing.  so 2 more weeks than I originally expected would make it around 4 weeks total.

It seemed like he was going to be back when his 10 days were up since he was playing almost full games now, but still, this will likely just put him out for most/all of April.

Obviously it's preferred that he would have been back right away, but as I've said before, the beginning of the season was a mess for Indians' hitters last season (not even taking into account all of the rain-outs teams had).  Maybe he would have started hot, but we also might just be missing out on a .200 average worth of offense.

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Probably best month for him to miss.  Half of Cleveland’s April games end up being rained out anyway. 

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Well this sucks. [Removed Cool Story] but the larger issue as mentioned is there's no way he's going to run as much as he did Last year. I'd say he's good for maybe 8-10 bases now at most. 

 

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1 hour ago, KilloWertz said:

It seemed like he was going to be back when his 10 days were up since he was playing almost full games now, but still, this will likely just put him out for most/all of April.

Obviously it's preferred that he would have been back right away, but as I've said before, the beginning of the season was a mess for Indians' hitters last season (not even taking into account all of the rain-outs teams had).  Maybe he would have started hot, but we also might just be missing out on a .200 average worth of offense.

 

I wouldn't be groping for silver linings. I don't care if there's polar bears defecating all over the field, his playing in those cold games is 100 times preferred to the reality we are consumed by. He had a ho hum .784 OPS last April but, in 2017, April was his best month (1.018 OPS). Who knows what a healthy Lindor would have done in April? We don't have a large enough sample size to be able to make an informed guess. I had been meaning to enforce the jinx-inducing, unfettered optimism seen here the past few weeks. Sure, you may have gotten a pre-injury top 3 pick in the 2nd round. But 2nd round was still a hefty investment for someone with an existing injury. All I know is the few bucks I saved on him in my auction will be wasted on the Advil I'll need for this headache. 

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1 hour ago, IceGoat said:

 

I wouldn't be groping for silver linings. I don't care if there's polar bears defecating all over the field, his playing in those cold games is 100 times preferred to the reality we are consumed by. He had a ho hum .784 OPS last April but, in 2017, April was his best month (1.018 OPS). Who knows what a healthy Lindor would have done in April? We don't have a large enough sample size to be able to make an informed guess. I had been meaning to enforce the jinx-inducing, unfettered optimism seen here the past few weeks. Sure, you may have gotten a pre-injury top 3 pick in the 2nd round. But 2nd round was still a hefty investment for someone with an existing injury. All I know is the few bucks I saved on him in my auction will be wasted on the Advil I'll need for this headache. 

I said him playing is preferred, and you may be going a bit overboard.  Another obvious thing is that the leg injuries for a guy where speed is a part of his game are not ideal, but to say he's going to be a headache is jumping to the complete opposite extreme some of us who are trying to be optimistic are.  Sure, it sucks he got hurt again when he seemed to be almost ready to come back (after his DL time is up of course), but it's not like his season is completely wrecked because of it either.  It is what it is at this point.

Technically, I have him in a keeper league, so none of that applies to me specifically.  Not that it really matters in the end.

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This has “lost year” written all over it.

 

And it’s not just the injuries. It’s also how good he was last year (regression). And how the Indians gutted their roster in the offseason.

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33 minutes ago, My Dinner With Andre said:

This has “lost year” written all over it.

 

And it’s not just the injuries. It’s also how good he was last year (regression). And how the Indians gutted their roster in the offseason.

Just because a player has a really good season doesn't mean they are automatically going to regress, especially when the player is still really young and far from his peak age.

You are not wrong about the Indians' offense being worse this season, so it would have been pretty much impossible for him to score 129 Runs again even if he played the whole season, but I'm not buying that a 25 year old with Lindor's ability has already had his career year.

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5 hours ago, CuredMeats said:

ugh. 

 

Francisco Lindor sustained an acute left ankle sprain while base-running during a minor league game yesterday vs AA Akron (intrasquad game). He underwent an MRI last night and findings were consistent with a mild to moderate left ankle sprain. His time frame for return is TBD

 

Aren't acute and mild basically polar opposites? 

 

 

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8 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

 

Aren't acute and mild basically polar opposites? 

 

 

 

Its mild. They’re just trying to be cute. 

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acute = minor  mild = minor  Both pretty much the same thing.

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9 minutes ago, Sonny_D said:

 

Its mild. They’re just trying to be cute. 

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21 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

 

Aren't acute and mild basically polar opposites? 

 

 

Acute refers to the timing or onset of the injury and has nothing to do with the severity or grade of the injury:

Acute conditions are sudden in onset. This could describe anything from a broken bone to an asthma attack. A chronic condition, by contrast is a long-developing syndrome, such as osteoporosis or asthma. Note that osteoporosis, a chronic condition, may cause a broken bone, an acutecondition.

Based on the description of a mild to moderate sprain I’d guess he’ll be out about 2 weeks, give or take a few days, before he resumes his rehab assignment.

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1 minute ago, meh2 said:

Acute refers to the timing or onset of the injury and has nothing to do with the severity or grade of the injury:

Acute conditions are sudden in onset. This could describe anything from a broken bone to an asthma attack. A chronic condition, by contrast is a long-developing syndrome, such as osteoporosis or asthma. Note that osteoporosis, a chronic condition, may cause a broken bone, an acutecondition.

Based on the description of a mild to moderate sprain I’d guess he’ll be out about 2 weeks, give or take a few days, before he resumes his rehab assignment.

 

Ok well I hope it’s minor. 

 

I guess it it depends on how the writer meant “acute”. Have to assume in the sense you note above (I.e. sudden and isolated to ankle). 

 

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49 minutes ago, MrBrown said:

acute = minor  mild = minor  Both pretty much the same thing.

 

a·cute
/əˈkyo͞ot/
adjective
  1. 1. 
    (of a bad, difficult, or unwelcome situation or phenomenon) present or experienced to a severe or intense degree.
    "an acute housing shortage"
    synonyms:

    severecriticaldrasticdiredreadfulterribleawfulgravebadseriousprofound;

     

     

     

     

    But again as @meh2 pointed out as long as its in the proper context, acute doesn’t necessarily mean serious (but the injury can be both acute and major). 

     

    Acute injuries are typically the result of a single, traumatic event within the last five days. Common examples include wrist fractures, ankle sprains, shoulder strains/dislocations, and muscle strains.

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6 minutes ago, Members_Only_76 said:

 

a·cute
/əˈkyo͞ot/
adjective
  1. 1. 
    (of a bad, difficult, or unwelcome situation or phenomenon) present or experienced to a severe or intense degree.
    "an acute housing shortage"
    synonyms:

    severecriticaldrasticdiredreadfulterribleawfulgravebadseriousprofound;

     

     

     

     

    But again as @meh2 pointed out as long as its in the proper context, acute doesn’t necessarily mean serious (but the injury can be both acute and major). 

     

    Acute injuries are typically the result of a single, traumatic event within the last five days. Common examples include wrist fractures, ankle sprains, shoulder strains/dislocations, and muscle strains.

 

oh....learn somethinng new everyday. Always thought acute meant small which would translate to being minor.  Guess that was way off.

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So whats the deal with lindor??? Is yahoo ever going to put him on the injured list? I see yahoo already posted a blurb that Indians put him on the 10 day IL cmon Yahoo.

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I just saw this article from yesterday:

https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2019/03/cleveland-indians-getting-second-opinion-on-francisco-lindors-ankle-injury.html

Why are the Indians seeking a "second" opinion unless the first was bad? Do you guys think it is time to try to deal Lindor for 75 cents on the dollar before it is revealed he is out until July?

 

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2 minutes ago, IceGoat said:

I just saw this article from yesterday:

https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2019/03/cleveland-indians-getting-second-opinion-on-francisco-lindors-ankle-injury.html

Why are the Indians seeking a "second" opinion unless the first was bad? Do you guys think it is time to try to deal Lindor for 75 cents on the dollar before it is revealed he is out until July?

 

 

my thought is that they are being diligent and seeing a specialist (top notch doctor) to get the best feedback they can, this is one of the best players in MLB so they're being safe. I'm not going to jump to conclusions or think the worst at this point just because they're going to a specialist for a look.

 

*runs to league roster grid to look for trades* ;)

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