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I think SB will fit in quite well as a 1-2-down specialist - I wouldn’t bank on that many catches or third downs played, nor would I bank on more than 20 touches per game, regardless of the RB corps.

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5 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

Howard did a decent job as a receiver last year with Chicago.  But he just got very few chances in that department.  Howard is head and shoulders above Smallwood, Clement, and Adams.  Sproles was a very skilled specialty player in his prime, but I will bet against Sproles being healthy and productive at his age.

I'm a Bears fan, and this is very very wrong. Howard was a dumpster fire inside a trainwreck as a receiver last year. They tried so hard to force it early on in the year by force feeding him targets, but they quickly abandoned it l because it just didn't work. If he didn't drop the ball, he'd catch it unnaturally and go nowhere. He can't run routes, he isn't fast or elusive, and his hands might be the worst in the league. Honestly, there may not be a worse pass catching RB in all of football. He's that bad. 

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1 hour ago, ajs723 said:

I'm a Bears fan, and this is very very wrong. Howard was a dumpster fire inside a trainwreck as a receiver last year. They tried so hard to force it early on in the year by force feeding him targets, but they quickly abandoned it l because it just didn't work. If he didn't drop the ball, he'd catch it unnaturally and go nowhere. He can't run routes, he isn't fast or elusive, and his hands might be the worst in the league. Honestly, there may not be a worse pass catching RB in all of football. He's that bad. 

That was not my recollection, so I went back and looked at the numbers from 2018.  In the first three games, Howard was targeted 11 times, and he caught 10 of those for a total of 78 yards.

Then, for the next seven straight games, he had either 1 or 0 targets.

He finished with 20 catches on the year, and only had more than 1 target two times all season after week 3.  

So he really wasn't used enough in the passing game to judge.  Cohen was certainly better as a receiver, but it just goes to show how stupid Nagy was in his running back usage.  The change of scenery is going to do wonders for Howard. 

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11 hours ago, hoppychokes said:

Blount had 8 catches. Do you really expect Howard to have similar numbers?

 

he could get 8 drops...

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12 hours ago, BMcP said:

Does it ever snow in Philly?

Some years it does. Recently it has.

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2 hours ago, ajs723 said:

I'm a Bears fan, and this is very very wrong. Howard was a dumpster fire inside a trainwreck as a receiver last year. They tried so hard to force it early on in the year by force feeding him targets, but they quickly abandoned it l because it just didn't work. If he didn't drop the ball, he'd catch it unnaturally and go nowhere. He can't run routes, he isn't fast or elusive, and his hands might be the worst in the league. Honestly, there may not be a worse pass catching RB in all of football. He's that bad. 

Bears fans ****ting on Howard after he was traded away for almost no compensation is humorous.

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6 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

That was not my recollection, so I went back and looked at the numbers from 2018.  In the first three games, Howard was targeted 11 times, and he caught 10 of those for a total of 78 yards.

Then, for the next seven straight games, he had either 1 or 0 targets.

He finished with 20 catches on the year, and only had more than 1 target two times all season after week 3.  

So he really wasn't used enough in the passing game to judge.  Cohen was certainly better as a receiver, but it just goes to show how stupid Nagy was in his running back usage.  The change of scenery is going to do wonders for Howard. 

It really has nothing to do with how many he caught or didn't catch.  I live in Chicago as well, and he's not good at pass catching.  He's not smooth in his routes and he doesn't look comfortable catching the football.  There's a reason he's been targeted less every year since he's entered the league.

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17 hours ago, SharkSwimmer said:

That was not my recollection, so I went back and looked at the numbers from 2018.  In the first three games, Howard was targeted 11 times, and he caught 10 of those for a total of 78 yards.

Then, for the next seven straight games, he had either 1 or 0 targets.

He finished with 20 catches on the year, and only had more than 1 target two times all season after week 3.  

So he really wasn't used enough in the passing game to judge.  Cohen was certainly better as a receiver, but it just goes to show how stupid Nagy was in his running back usage.  The change of scenery is going to do wonders for Howard. 

They stopped targeting him because he was a complete liability in the passing game.

 

I think Howard is a good, plow ahead power back, but he's never going to be the versatile type. 

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17 hours ago, devaster said:

Bears fans ****ting on Howard after he was traded away for almost no compensation is humorous.

No bear fan is hating on Howard, not sure why you quickly read it that way...ajs just mentioned that Howard wasn’t pretty enough for him when running routes & catching the ball, that’s all.

99% of the fans would want him on the ‘19 roster for the price he will be paid.

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It’s not that Howard can’t catch the ball, it’s that he doesn’t do so smoothly and with the fluidity necessary to quickly turn it upfield. He doesn’t adjust his footwork/body positioning optimally to transition from the catch to the run-after-catch.

Rather than catching the ball in stride and getting upfield all in one smooth motion, he kind of turns it into a two-step process- focus on catching the ball, then think about getting upfield, which slows the whole thing down and makes it easier to defend. 

That said, I don’t think Philly acquired him for his receiving prowess. He’ll be their leading rusher, goal line back, and best pass protector who catches the occasional pass to keep defenses honest.

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18 hours ago, RMJ_12 said:

It really has nothing to do with how many he caught or didn't catch.  I live in Chicago as well, and he's not good at pass catching.  He's not smooth in his routes and he doesn't look comfortable catching the football.  There's a reason he's been targeted less every year since he's entered the league.

I never said Jordan Howard was Larry Centers.  I said he was decent in the passing game.  Catching 10 of 11 balls for a 7.8 average is respectable, especially when the receiving component is simply a bonus on top of being a very tough and durable between the tackles type.

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Jordan Howard, from my perspective isn't going to be a pass catcher. He was brought in to grind it out and open the play action game up. Wentz also, needs to gain confidence and scramble again, because the fluidity of the offense was night and day, once Wentz's injury occurred. If Jordan Howard gets over 25 catches, that should be a plus for anyone who takes him. Sproles, Smallwood and the 2019 draft are viable options for those pass catching rbs.

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As a bears fan I never thought that Howard was a great rb but I loved him cuss he was so tough. He separated his shoulder and never missed a quarter. Never even complained. He torched the Steelers in his next game. He may not be the best rb in the league but he may be the toughest. All this said idk if he will thrive in philly but he will play elidgiable and he will get goal line touches but will prolly not catch 15 balls all year. 

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Did anyone else happen to catch the interview of Pederson on the NFLN this past weekend? When asked about the acquisition of Howard, he said something along the lines of how he was (not) used in Chicago. Like, how the new coaching staff came in and the new scheme and all that, and how Howard wasn't utilized like he was in prior to that). He then went on to praise Howard for being a tough downhill runner, and really just making it sound like he was done wrong in Chicago and how excited he was to have him as an Eagle. Could've just been how I interpreted it, and of course...more coach-speak then anything else. But, it really caught my attention. Could Howard be more of a feature back in Philly? 

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Define "feature back." I think he is the likely starter but may have Sanders breathing down his neck. And the ball will be spread around a LOT regardless.

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If the rest of the NFL is paying attention to what works, they will see that the Patriots are once again redefining the way football, in this particular era, is being played.  I see the Eagles keeping tabs on their ground and pound game - with Howard going in about the 8th round....absolutely a monster steal.  On my radar - not worried about last year's performance.  My personal opinion was that he was never made for the Nagy system and it was a matter of time before he was just forced out of town. 

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6 hours ago, dudewithabadcat said:

I see the Eagles keeping tabs on their ground and pound game - with Howard going in about the 8th round....absolutely a monster steal.  On my radar - not worried about last year's performance.

Not a bad call, but so far Pederson has pretty much stuck to RBBC.

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On 3/31/2019 at 9:38 AM, psygolf said:

No bear fan is hating on Howard, not sure why you quickly read it that way...ajs just mentioned that Howard wasn’t pretty enough for him when running routes & catching the ball, that’s all.

99% of the fans would want him on the ‘19 roster for the price he will be paid.

He said, and I quote, “if he wasn’t dropping the ball” and then someone fact checked that he caught 10/11 targets. That’s not bad at all. Everyone knew he’s not quick/ twitchy. Nagy didn’t know how to use Howard, he’s a good 2 down back. But, he can’t just run up the guy every time. Give him carries outside the tackles too. Watching him run up the middle on 90% of carries was insane 

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2 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

Not a bad call, but so far Pederson has pretty much stuck to RBBC.

That's because he hasn't had a back worthy of being a bell cow, to put it mildly. I think by year's end and perhaps quite a bit sooner it will be Sanders' show with Howard a 1b at best.

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1 minute ago, bomont said:

That's because he hasn't had a back worthy of being a bell cow, to put it mildly.

Or because he is of the Bill Belichick school (philosophically anyway), and aims to start the season with all backs and see who's hot for some period of time. Pederson is a modern coach who knows what he's doing.

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On 7/16/2019 at 11:54 AM, The G Man said:

Did anyone else happen to catch the interview of Pederson on the NFLN this past weekend? When asked about the acquisition of Howard, he said something along the lines of how he was (not) used in Chicago. Like, how the new coaching staff came in and the new scheme and all that, and how Howard wasn't utilized like he was in prior to that). He then went on to praise Howard for being a tough downhill runner, and really just making it sound like he was done wrong in Chicago and how excited he was to have him as an Eagle. Could've just been how I interpreted it, and of course...more coach-speak then anything else. But, it really caught my attention. Could Howard be more of a feature back in Philly? 

Good to see douggy Pederson and I are on the same page. Howard had 2500 yards rushing in his first 2 years, then a new regime comes in and bones him. Nagy doesn’t like that style of back, wish I saw that coming before I drafted him last year. It’s a shame too, bc howard finally had a decent supporting cast. (Injured Kevin white on the bench was his wr1 in past years)

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2 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

 Pederson is a modern coach who knows what he's doing.

Which is why I think Sanders becomes the man sooner or later this year.

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17 hours ago, Boudewijn said:

Not a bad call, but so far Pederson has pretty much stuck to RBBC.

 

and I hope he keeps sticking to RBBC.  Personally, I think RBBC is not the worst thing in the world.  

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I'm hoping his ADP stays low as I would love to own him this year. I do believe it will be an RBBC with multiple backs being utilized as in past year but I think there will be enough for Howard to put up numbers.  There is a fair bit of unknown with PHI and the RB situation that there is risk with drafting him.  I still believe in Howard's talents and sure hope PHI can figure out how to use him.  

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