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Courtland Sutton 2019 Outlook

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The Guy is TOP 6 WR in PPR and someone is willing to drop him?

I cant with this forum.

 

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He's a must start.. Getting way too many targets and Broncos have made it very clear he's the clear cut option over Sanders. In addition, Sanders will be moved sometime soon.

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2 hours ago, RobertJason said:

FWIW, I've read that Lock is very accurate on deep throws. Not sure that would pan out so soon though. I'm debating dropping Sutton or Ridley with Mike Williams now available in our league. I feel like William's ability to increase production (boom) is greater than Sutton's. Both are great talents in a poor situation. Flacco looked DEFEATED big time, like when someone in your office throws their paperwork up in the air and walks out. I'd rarely seen a QB give up like Flacco did on Thursday. I understand frustration with sacks, but giving up is unprofessional. 


To each their own but I think it is completely nuts to drop Sutton. Granted, he’s already played his week 7 game and has 1 (or in some cases 2) extra games played than most WRs, but he is sitting as the #6 WR in .5 PPR leagues. He’s been so consistent this season so far against some pretty brutal matchups. 

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13 hours ago, RobertJason said:

FWIW, I've read that Lock is very accurate on deep throws. Not sure that would pan out so soon though. I'm debating dropping Sutton or Ridley with Mike Williams now available in our league. I feel like William's ability to increase production (boom) is greater than Sutton's. Both are great talents in a poor situation. Flacco looked DEFEATED big time, like when someone in your office throws their paperwork up in the air and walks out. I'd rarely seen a QB give up like Flacco did on Thursday. I understand frustration with sacks, but giving up is unprofessional. 


What a poor post from top to bottom.  
joe Flacco didn’t give up- that’s just his demeanor.   He’s Joe Cool when it’s working well— and a bum who doesn’t care when it doesn’t.  🤷‍♂️ just media spin.   You don’t drop a wr1 for a guy who’s been a ghost most of the season.    or...maybe you do?   I’d spend my entire FAAB budget on Sutton should some poor sap drop him.  

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I think before TNF he was averaging 6 rec 80 yds....TNF he got 6 for 87 I think....very consistent and glad I traded Boyd for him after Boyd's 1st did before AJ comes back and he loses more touches 😁

 

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Sutton will be all alone as Flacco's #1 option with trade of Sanders.

Garbage time superstar?

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10 minutes ago, bdsco337 said:

Sutton will be all alone as Flacco's #1 option with trade of Sanders.

Garbage time superstar?

People will say it's bad because he will get extra attention but he is also the unquestioned lead dog...always nice to get a bump in targets.  We just have to see if Flacco can delivery the ball.

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Yeah my thing is I always tend to prefer more targets for my WR even if it means more defensive attention. Maybe teams double him more since the #2 is now less of a threat but I think overall it's good for Sutton's value. 

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33 minutes ago, bdsco337 said:

Sutton will be all alone as Flacco's #1 option with trade of Sanders.

Garbage time superstar?

With a lot of garbage time superstars you get a decent WR who puts up numbers because of blowouts. In this case you get the same, but you also get a very good WR instead of just a decent one.

On pace for 80/1300/7, and since his on-pace isn't built on one huge outlier game, I see no reason to think he can't end up close to that.

Oddly, dynasty value of Sutton should be unchanged. You should have already had him rated as a top dynasty asset, and you probably shouldn't have been worried about Sanders long term anyway.

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On 10/20/2019 at 9:52 AM, Impreza178 said:

You don’t drop a wr1 for a guy who’s been a ghost most of the season.    or...maybe you do?   I’d spend my entire FAAB budget on Sutton should some poor sap drop him.  

I came here because of today's news, and can't believe someone would have been actually considering dropping Sutton. The whole reason you play fantasy football is to get a guy like Sutton.

Now, I'd understand dropping Sutton if someone like Damien Williams becomes available😛

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48 minutes ago, bdsco337 said:

Sutton will be all alone as Flacco's #1 option with trade of Sanders.

Garbage time superstar?

You would think?? But it is flacco.  Sutton got I think 1 rec in the second half last week.  Will be interesting to see what he does this year without Manny.  Last year he took a step back once defenses were able to focus on him.  But he was only a rookie.  Hope he can keep up his WR1/2 pace.

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Flacco sucks.   That's all that is holding Sutton back.

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1 minute ago, DLG10 said:

Flacco sucks.   That's all that is holding Sutton back.

He's on pace for 80/1300/7 with simple Joe, I believe we'd be looking at a poor man's Julio Jones with just a slightly above league average QB in there. Maybe Lock is the answer? Don't know much about him.

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7 minutes ago, andypro77 said:

He's on pace for 80/1300/7 with simple Joe, I believe we'd be looking at a poor man's Julio Jones with just a slightly above league average QB in there. Maybe Lock is the answer? Don't know much about him.

Based on the scouting reports I've seen, he would be a huge upgrade over Flacco.

OVERALL

Drew Lock has excellent arm talent and an attacking, gunslinger mentality, but his poor mechanics will frustrate his coaches unless he's reined in. His natural gifts are obvious, and as a three-year starter at Missouri, he's one of the most NFL-prepared quarterbacks in the class. But with the remarkable also comes the subpar decision-making when pressured and poor accuracy when his footwork falls apart. Lock has legitimate starting talent, but he needs a coach who can clean up his playing style and build an offense around his deep ball and movement skills.

 

GRADE: 6.95 (ROUND 2 - FUTURE STARTER)       

PRO COMPARISON: Matthew Stafford

Source:  https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2823981-drew-lock-nfl-draft-2019-scouting-report-for-denver-broncos-pick 

 

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5 minutes ago, Bastardo! said:

Based on the scouting reports I've seen, he would be a huge upgrade over Flacco.

That's perfect. Enough arm talent to throw the ball around the yard, and enough flaws to make sure they keep losing and keep having to throw the ball around. A poor man's Jameis Winston, if you will.

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12 minutes ago, Bastardo! said:

Based on the scouting reports I've seen, he would be a huge upgrade over Flacco.

OVERALL

Drew Lock has excellent arm talent and an attacking, gunslinger mentality, but his poor mechanics will frustrate his coaches unless he's reined in. His natural gifts are obvious, and as a three-year starter at Missouri, he's one of the most NFL-prepared quarterbacks in the class. But with the remarkable also comes the subpar decision-making when pressured and poor accuracy when his footwork falls apart. Lock has legitimate starting talent, but he needs a coach who can clean up his playing style and build an offense around his deep ball and movement skills.

 

GRADE: 6.95 (ROUND 2 - FUTURE STARTER)       

PRO COMPARISON: Matthew Stafford

Source:  https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2823981-drew-lock-nfl-draft-2019-scouting-report-for-denver-broncos-pick 

 

 

I wouldn't take too much from a Bleacher Report scouting article. That whole thing write up is about as bland as it gets. I really really like Sutton even with old and ugly Joe. But IMO from watching him a ton in college is Lock isn't the answer either. Elway will be back it next year looking for his 2020 version of Osweiler. 

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1 hour ago, bdsco337 said:

Sutton will be all alone as Flacco's #1 option with trade of Sanders.

Garbage time superstar?

I have found that when I rely on garbage time, it almost never works.

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16 minutes ago, LarryDavid said:

 

I wouldn't take too much from a Bleacher Report scouting article. That whole thing write up is about as bland as it gets. I really really like Sutton even with old and ugly Joe. But IMO from watching him a ton in college is Lock isn't the answer either. Elway will be back it next year looking for his 2020 version of Osweiler. 

All scouting articles should be taken with a grain of salt, but, as far I can tell, this one echoes pretty much what all the others say about Lock.

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2 minutes ago, Bastardo! said:

All scouting articles should be taken with a grain of salt, but, as far I can tell, this one echoes pretty much what all the others say about Lock.

I think all Sutton needs to start his march towards elite status is an upgrade from say the 28th best QB to the 22nd best QB. What I don't want is an efficient game manager that hands off all day while Denver relies on it's defense. Give me the big armed gunslinger with flaws every time when I own the WR.

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Sutton is a beast.  He averages over 10 yards a target, which is better than Michael Thomas, Cooper Kupp, Keenan Allen, Julio Jones, and OBJ.

 

It won't be much longer until Denver realizes Sutton is their best weapon and he sees a good uptick in targets (as well as TDs).

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Sanders trade hurts Sutton. It's not devastating, but this pitiful offense does not need to be losing weapons. 

The other thing is teams were incorrectly viewing Sanders as the number one, so we had the real number one getting the second most attention from the defense. Minus Flacco being terrible it was a perfect scenario. 

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I actually think both Sanders and Flacco were good for Sutton. It's not a huge downgrade now with Sanders gone, but he will undoubtedly face more attention from the opponent's best CB than until now. Sanders opens up the field, giving Sutton underneath room to work with. That's gone now, since their WR talent after Sutton is marginal at best. I could see more targets for Sutton, but I highly doubt his production improves.

Flacco, for all his shortcomings, is a savvy vet who at least can somewhat spin it and find his playmakers, which gives Sutton an excellent floor. Should Lock take over, I expect that floor to go away since rookie QBs are often totally overwhelmed. Also don't know Lock's tendencies, maybe he loves his TE or RB checkdowns or another WR. In theory you could hope that Lock unleashes Sutton's ceiling more often. But tbh I'm happy with Sutton as he produces right now - solid WR2 in my flex spot.

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2 hours ago, Bastardo! said:

All scouting articles should be taken with a grain of salt, but, as far I can tell, this one echoes pretty much what all the others say about Lock.


Lock has potential but has never played a meaningful nfl snap in his life.   Flacco and Sutton have a rapport going and even tho Joe isn’t the answer long term— I firmly believe he’s the best option for Sutton’s fantasy value in 2019.  

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1 hour ago, BGDDYKWL said:

Sanders trade hurts Sutton. It's not devastating, but this pitiful offense does not need to be losing weapons. 

The other thing is teams were incorrectly viewing Sanders as the number one, so we had the real number one getting the second most attention from the defense. Minus Flacco being terrible it was a perfect scenario. 


Sanders took almost 40% of his snaps from the slot-  so he wasn’t being shadowed like some teams shadow elite WRs.  
 

Last season it was clear Sutton was not ready for a major upgrade in role-  and his numbers suffered as a result.    This is a different guy we are watching in 2019.  No longer just a jump ball specialist.    
 

I’ve got Sutton as neutral to slightly upgraded with Sanders gone.  

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