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On ‎6‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 10:44 AM, Sack Exchange said:

 

 

2019 Dynasty Rookie PPR Draft w/ IDP

 

My picks are designated by italics and labeled as FTL (team in signature). I've bolded the IDP picks.

 

1:01 D - RB JJacobs Oak

1:02 BF - RB DMontgomery Chi

1:03 H - WR NKHarry NE

1:04 Da - LB DWhite TB

1:05 B - WR DKMetcalf Sea

1:06 O - TE TJHockenson Det

1:07 H - LB DBush Pit

1:08 BG - RB MSanders Phi

1:09 BF - DL CFerrell Oak

1:10 H - TE NFant Den

1:11 TDL NBosa SF

1:12 RK – WR PCampbell Ind

 

2:01 RK – WR AJBrown TN

2:02 FTLRB DHenderson LAR

2:03 R – WR JJWhiteside Phi

2:04 BF – QB KMurray AZ

2:05 BG – WR MBrown Bal

2:06 FTLDL EOliver Buf

2:07 FTLRB DSingletary Buf

2:08 B – RB DThompson KC

2:09 Da – RB JHill BAl

2:10 BF – LB GPratt Cin

2:11 T – WR MHardman KC

2:12 H – QB DHaskins Was

 

3:01 D – WR DSamuel SF

3:02 H – LB MSweat Was

3:03 R – DL JAllen Jax

3:04 Da – WR HButler AZ

3:05 B – WR JHurd SF

3:06 RK – RB DHarris NE

3:07 E –RB BSnell Pit

3:08 BF – DB JAbram Oak

3:09 FTL – RB DWilliams GB

3:10 E – QB DLock Den

3:11 T – WR TMcLaurin Was

3:12 FTLWR DJohnson Pit

 

4:01 FTLLB QWIlliams Jax

4:02 T – DL ABryant Det

4:03 R – WR AIsabella AZ

4:04 FTLRB RArmstead Jax

4:05 BG – TE JSternberger GB

4:06 E – WR EHall Chi

4:07 O – RB BLove Was

4:08 Da – RB AMattison Min

4:09 Da – WR MBoykin Bal

4:10 B – QB DJones NYG

4:11 O – TE ISmith jr Min

4:12 D – LB CMiller Chi

 

This league does not separate DT's from DE's or CB's from S's so all "DL" and "DB" are labeled as such. All other IDP designations are up to date with myfantasyleague's database.

 

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42 minutes ago, FollowTheLeader said:

 

2019 Dynasty Rookie Draft w/ IDP

 

My picks are designated by italics and labeled as FTL, and I've bolded the IDP picks.

 

1:01 D - RB JJacobs Oak

1:02 BF - RB DMontgomery Chi

1:03 H - WR NKHarry NE

1:04 Da - LB DWhite TB

1:05 B - WR DKMetcalf Sea

1:06 O - TE TJHockenson Det

1:07 H - LB DBush Pit

1:08 BG - RB MSanders Phi

1:09 BF - DL CFerrell Oak

1:10 H - TE NFant Den

1:11 TDL NBosa SF

1:12 RK – WR PCampbell Ind

 

2:01 RK – WR AJBrown TN

2:02 FTLRB DHenderson LAR

2:03 R – WR JJWhiteside Phi

2:04 BF – QB KMurray AZ

2:05 BG – WR MBrown Bal

2:06 FTLDL EOliver Buf

2:07 FTLRB DSingletary Buf

2:08 B – RB DThompson KC

2:09 Da – RB JHill BAl

2:10 BF – LB GPratt Cin

2:11 T – WR MHardman KC

2:12 H – QB DHaskins Was

 

3:01 D – WR DSamuel SF

3:02 H – LB MSweat Was

3:03 R – DL JAllen Jax

3:04 Da – WR HButler AZ

3:05 B – WR JHurd SF

3:06 RK – RB DHarris NE

3:07 E –RB BSnell Pit

3:08 BF – DB JAbram Oak

3:09 FTL – RB DWilliams GB

3:10 E – QB DLock Den

3:11 T – WR TMcLaurin Was

3:12 FTLWR DJohnson Pit

 

4:01 FTLLB QWIlliams Jax

4:02 T – DL ABryant Det

4:03 R – WR AIsabella AZ

4:04 FTLRB RArmstead Jax

4:05 BG – TE JSternberger GB

4:06 E – WR EHall Chi

4:07 O – RB BLove Was

4:08 Da – RB AMattison Min

4:09 Da – WR MBoykin Bal

4:10 B – QB DJones NYG

4:11 O – TE ISmith jr Min

4:12 D – LB CMiller Chi

 

This league does not separate DT's from DE's or CB's from S's so all "DL" and "DB" are labeled as such. All other IDP designations are up to date with myfantasyleague's database.

 

 

all of your posts---especially this one---have been extremely helpful. thanks, man. i've been looking online and researching draft tendencies, but being able to see the layout and inclinations from your league allow me to adjust my sails regarding trading picks and expectations.

love the oliver pick at 2.06. traded up and i have the 2.02 pick and i'm targetting oliver there.

am i missing Quinnen Williams somewhere?

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5 minutes ago, Sack Exchange said:

 

all of your posts---especially this one---have been extremely helpful. thanks, man. i've been looking online and researching draft tendencies, but being able to see the layout and inclinations from your league allow me to adjust my sails regarding trading picks and expectations.

love the oliver pick at 2.06. traded up and i have the 2.02 pick and i'm targetting oliver there.

am i missing Quinnen Williams somewhere?

 

Glad I could help B) *yeah, draft mocks are useful, but individual team needs and personal preference change from league to league. I tried to label the team picks so maybe more information could be gleaned from individual team pick(s).

If Henderson, Singletary or Harris weren't there at 2:02, I would have drafted Oliver.

Bummed I passed on RB Damien Harris at that 2:06/2:07, and then just missed out on him by 3 picks in the 3rd, but Oliver is a special talent, and I'd already landed Henderson and Singletary.

No Quinnen Williams; probably due to his playing a traditional NT position in a 3-4.

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On 6/12/2019 at 10:18 AM, FollowTheLeader said:

No Quinnen Williams; probably due to his playing a traditional NT position in a 3-4.

 

help was/is immense. thanks again.

regarding quinnen williams, i'm shocked he wasn't taken in your draft. to me, he's an outstanding talent, and he will be on the field a ton. i was eyeing him with my 2.12 pick (but i traded this pick away).

while i realize his experience is at NT, the jets will need to move him around, especially because they still do not have an edge-rusher (despite george r.r. martin insisting they needed to draft one). wouldn't be surprised to find quinnen williams at that edge position occasion enough, and this viewpoint is supported by others as well (the Read & React IDP podcast, episode 57). if i was in your shoes, i'd pick him up off waivers at first opportunity.

even when he's not at the edge, he's a force (look at how he ignores the vaunted tiger o-line)

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here against the georgia o-line

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love his adjustment here -- quick

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quick here, too

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Thanks @Sack Exchange I appreciate the wealth of information, and I'll keep him on my radar for our FA Veteran draft. I've got 3 picks so there will be a legit shot if I decide to go that route.

One issue I have/had, is that I've already broken from personal tradition and drafted a DT...Ed Oliver. Ever since I drafted Nstompukong Suh, and elected to hold him following his great rookie season :ugh: (passing on some trades), I've soured on drafting DTs, and simply elect to claim them on the waiver wire...BUT QW falls in line with your suggestion of selecting him in our FA Veteran draft so I've got time to research B) *I took the plunge on Oliver as he seems to be a special talent, was a producer all 3 years in college (including being the #2 rated HS DT), I really like his landing spot, and the Aaron Donald comparison make him extra enticing. Whereas, someone like QWilliams has burst on the scene for one only year :shrug:

2nd issue, RE: NT designation - I am higher on Oliver's designation as a "DT" on Buffalo's D-Line, lined up next to a 2nd DT and a DE in a 3-4 (much like Aaron Donald in LAR lining up as a "DT" next to a traditional NT and a DE in a 3-4), than QWilliams being designated a "NT" lined up between 2 DE's.

Yet, I also steer clear of drafting rookie DE's playing in base 3-4 DST, which has caused me to miss on the likes of both Joey B and JJ Watt. So, my methods aren't fool proof :wacko:

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14 team dynasty, start 11 IDP, start 1/1/2/1/2 standard flex (max 1 RB, max 1 TE for flex) on O, Kicker and Punter, graduated ppr with TE premium, top D players score about WR18. some eccentric scoring including return yds, carries, QB accuracy, etc  8 round draft

Draft started immediately after the NFL draft and finished a little less than 2 weeks later.

1.01 Kyler Murray, QB, AZ
1.02  Josh Jacobs, RB, OAK
1.03 N’Keal Harry, WR, NE 
1.04 TJ Hockenson, TE, DET      
1.05 AJ Brown, WR, TEN
1.06 Miles Sanders, RB, PHI 
1.07 Deebo Samuel, WR, SF
1.08 David Montgomery, RB, CHI
1.09 Dwayne Haskins, QB, WAS
1.10 Marquise Brown, WR, BAL 
1.11 DK Mefcalf, WR, SEA 
1.12 Noah Fant, TE, DEN
1.13 Parris Campbell, WR, IND     
1.14 Mecole Hardman, WR, KC

2.01 Darrell Henderson, RB, LAR
2.02 Hakeem Butler, WR, AZ
2.03 Devin White, LB, TB 
2.04 Damien Harris, RB, NE
2.05 Devin Bush, LB, PIT
2.06 Irv Smith Jr, TE, MIN 
2.07 Nick Bosa, DE, SF
2.08 Bryce Love, RB, WAS
2.09 JJ Arcega-Whiteside
2.10 Quinnen Williams, DT, NYJ 
2.11 Jace Sternberger, TE, GB
2.12 Diontae Johnson, WR, PIT
2.13 Rodney Anderson, RB, CIN 
2.14 Alexander Mattison, RB, MIN

3.01 Andy Isabella, WR, AZ 
3.02 Drew Lock, QB, DEN
3.03 Josh Allen, LB, JAX
3.04 Darwin Thompson, RB, KC
3.05 Devin Singletary, RB, BUF
3.06 Miles Boykin, WR, BAL
3.07 Terry McLaurin, WR, WAS
3.08 Clelin Ferrell, DE, OAK
3.09 Drew Sample, TE, CIN
3.10 Daniel Jones, QB, NYH
3.11 LJ Collier, DE, SEA
3.12 Kelvin Harmon, WR, WAS 
3.13 Kahale Waring, TE, HOU 
3.14 Ben Banogu, LB, IND

4.01 Johnathan Abram, S, OAK
4.02 Darnell Savage, S, GB
4.03 Ed Oliver, DT, DET
4.04 Montez Sweat, DE, WAS
4.05 Justice Hill, RB, BAL
4.06 Jahlani Tavai, LB, DET
4.07 Trayveon Williams, RB, CIN 
4.08 Brian Burns, LB, CAR
4.09 Rashan Gary, DE, GB
4.10 Jalen Hurd, WR, SF
4.11 Nasir Adderly, S, LAC
4.12 Josh Oliver, TE, JAX
4.13 Benny Snell, RB, PIT 
4.14 Jarrett Stidham, QB, NE

5.01 Dakota Allen, LB, LAR
5.02 Riley Ridley, WR, CHI
5.03 Hunter Renfrow, WR, OAK 
5.04 Ryquell Armstead, RB, JAX
5.05 KeeSean Johnson, WR, AZ
5.06 Germaine Pratt, LB, CIN 
5.07 Chase Winovich, LB, NE 
5.08 Christian Wilkins, DT, MIA 
5.09 Tony Pollard, RB, DAL 
5.10 Bruce Anderson, RB, TB 
5.11 Dexter Williams, RB, GB
5.12 Jeffery Simmons, DT, TEN
5.13 Gary Jennings, WR, SEA 
5.14 Dawson Knox, TE, BUF

6.01 Zach Allen, DE, AZ
6.02 Jachai Polite, LB, NYJ
6.03 Juan Thornhill, S, KC 
6.04 Devine Ozigbo, RB, NO
6.05 Byron Murphy, CB, AZ 
6.06 Deandre Baker, CB, NYG 
6.07 Mack Wilson, LB, CLE 
6.08 Oshane Ximines, DE, NYG 
6.09 Darius Slayton, WR, NYG
6.10 Bobby Okereke, LB, IND
6.11 Alize Mack, TE, NO
6.12 Taylor Rapp, S, LAR 
6.13 Marcus Green, WR, ATL 
6.14 Will Grier, QB, CAR

7.01 Dexter Lawrence, DT, NYG
7.02 Andrew Beck, TE, NE
7.03 Christian Miller, LB, CAR
7.04 Alex Barnes, RB, TEN
7.05 Rock Ya-Sin, CB, IND
7.06 Charles Omenihu, DE, HOU 
7.07 Jordan Scarlett, RB, CAR 
7.08 Greedy Williams, CB, CLE 
7.09 Ryan Finley, QB, CIN
7.10 Myles Gaskin, RB, MIA
7.11 Greg Gaines, DT, LAR
7.12 Terry Godwin, WR, CAR
7.13 Stanley Morgan, WR, CIN
7.14 Karan Higdon, RB, HOU

8.01 Jerry Tillery, DT, LAC
8.02 Zach Gentry, TE, PIT
8.03 Jaylon Ferguson, LB, BAL 
8.04 TJ Edwards, LB, PHI
8.05 Te’von Coney, LB, OAK
8.06 Joejuan Williams, CB, NE 
8.07 Mike Weber, RB, DAL
8.08 Elijah Holyfield, RB, CAR
8.09 Dillon Mitchell, WR, MIN 
8.10 Damarea Crockett, RB, HOU 
8.11 Deionte Thompson, S, AZ
8.12 Emanuel Hall, WR, CHI
8.13 Caleb Wilson, TE, AZ
8.14 James Williams, RB, KC

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@FollowTheLeader @Bronco Billy

Mason Foster cut today, Rueben Foster out for the season. who will be the LB to own in washington? 

                                Ryan Kerrigan, Jon Bostic, Montez Sweat, Shaun-Dion Hamilton

mason foster netted a career-high 81 solo tackles + 50 assisted tackles last season. ryan kerrigan started all 16 games and only got 43 tackles.

criticism on mason foster yielded that he was a good run-stopper but not an everydown linebacker because of his shortcomings in the passing game / 3rd down. new guy jon bostic gets the exact same criticism (and was the reason pittsburgh pursued bush and dumped bostic). bostic started 14 games last season, finished with 73 combined tackles.

any insights? will round 6 sophomore shaun-dion hamilton simply slide into foster's role / position? a quality situation might come dirt cheap.

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37 minutes ago, Sack Exchange said:

@FollowTheLeader @Bronco Billy

Mason Foster cut today, Rueben Foster out for the season. who will be the LB to own in washington? 

                                Ryan Kerrigan, Jon Bostic, Montez Sweat, Shaun-Dion Hamilton

mason foster netted a career-high 81 solo tackles + 50 assisted tackles last season. ryan kerrigan started all 16 games and only got 43 tackles.

criticism on mason foster yielded that he was a good run-stopper but not an everydown linebacker because of his shortcomings in the passing game / 3rd down. new guy jon bostic gets the exact same criticism (and was the reason pittsburgh pursued bush and dumped bostic). bostic started 14 games last season, finished with 73 combined tackles.

 

any insights? will round 6 sophomore shaun-dion hamilton simply slide into foster's role / position? a quality situation might come dirt cheap.

 

 

 

I am in on LB SDHamilton as Fosters immediate replacement on the inside next to Bostic (Sweat and Kerrigan will man the SLB and WLB.)

In fact, I drafted Hamilton in my 14 team IDP redraft this morning (see team in sig).

From my research (sorry I didn't save any links), Hamilton (6' 230+lbs ~4.5-4.6 40 time) can play the run better than Bostic, and is far superior than Foster in coverage, as well as Bostic. Apparently, Hamilton's play is one of the reasons the kicked Foster to the curb.

*I will post our draft when finished, currently in RD 28 of 32.

 

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5 minutes ago, FollowTheLeader said:

 

I am in on LB SDHamilton as Fosters immediate replacement on the inside next to Bostic (Sweat and Kerrigan will man the SLB and WLB.)

In fact, I drafted Hamilton in my 14 team IDP redraft this morning (see team in sig).

From my research (sorry I didn't save any links), Hamilton (6' 230+lbs ~4.5-4.6 40 time) can play the run better than Bostic, and is far superior than Foster in coverage, as well as Bostic.

*I will post our draft when finished, currently in RD 28 of 32.

 

 

I see this as a valuable LB2-3 discussion, with some in this range possible to make the jump up one level simply due to traffic.

 

Shaun-Dion Hamilton: did Washington drop Mason Foster because they believe in this sophomore, or because he’s just a place-holder until Reuben returns? Or is Jon Journeyman Bostic the placeholder? And does it make a difference as both will see action? From where I stand, I like Sweat’s talent, but unless he’s in a 4-3 and relegated to DE, I have a tough time buying.

 

Also here, I have Patrick Onwuasor, bound to see more activity but what can he do with it?

Anyone want to take the challenge to rank (or re-rank) this LB2-3 range?

Patrick Onuwuasor (with only himself in the way of success)

KJ Wright (due for a big comeback, and if Wagner holds out or ____, LB1)

Anthony Barr

Preston Brown

Shaun-Dion Hamilton (not sure what to make of the 6th rounder, but obviously opportunity)

BJ Goodson (will any team face the run more than the Giants?)

Zach Brown

Rashan Evans (yet to see the kid live up to pedigree)

Oren Burks 

Wesley Woodyard

Alex Anzalone

Mack Wilson 

Jon Bostic

Kamu Grieger-Hill

Bobby Okereke (one of the most talented on this list but not in a great situation, as even in dynasty he’s surrounded by hungry beasts)

 

From my perspective, ordering these LBs may be the key to successfully getting a leg up on the competition...

 

 

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17 hours ago, cohenstantinople said:

Anyone want to take the challenge to rank (or re-rank) this LB2-3 range?

Patrick Onuwuasor (with only himself in the way of success)

KJ Wright (due for a big comeback, and if Wagner holds out or ____, LB1)

Anthony Barr

Preston Brown

Shaun-Dion Hamilton (not sure what to make of the 6th rounder, but obviously opportunity)

BJ Goodson (will any team face the run more than the Giants?)

Zach Brown

Rashan Evans (yet to see the kid live up to pedigree)

Oren Burks 

Wesley Woodyard

Alex Anzalone

Mack Wilson 

Jon Bostic

Kamu Grieger-Hill

Bobby Okereke (one of the most talented on this list but not in a great situation, as even in dynasty he’s surrounded by hungry beasts)

 

patrick onuwuasor: the public's choice for towards the top of this list with mosely gone.

eagles: zach brown / kamu-grieger hill: wouldn't be surprised to see offenses play keep-away from the eagles, pushing the run when possible, and obviously this fits in well regarding the division with barkley, zeke, and adrian peterson (plus no QB in washington). my only concerns here are minor: nigel bradham and paul worrilow, more for opportunity than talent.

washington: jon bostic / shaun-dion hamilton -- bostic has proven to be a journeyman, so clearly his dynasty value is nil. also this speaks to his on-the-field value as well. @FollowTheLeader can better speak for shaun-dion hamilton, but one this is clear to me: if (IF) shaun-dion takes over at foster's position, the volume will skyrocket his potential; if his snap-count equals foster's 2018, he's at the top of this list.

titans: wesley woodyard / rashaan evans: woodyard in redraft, evans in dynasty. woodyard is 32, and the "blade" is 23, was a first round pick, and was relentless at alabama. all comes down to snap count. note: even with woodyard at 32 and missing 2 games last season, he's been generally healthy for years.

colts/pack/seahawks: bobby okereke / oren burks: talented, but alongside super-talented LBs limit the upside. KJ wright is in here too, but 1) has proven that he can accumulate tackles when healthy and when alongside bobby wagner, and 2) wagner's contract / future is under discussion... a healthy KJ wright is towards the top of this list. talent-wise, okereke and burks at towards the top.

bj goodson: middling numbers, though it's not like ogletree was outstanding. i know the giants are looking to rebuild, are looking for a young team, but they should offer bobby wagner a deal: he'd be the best LB to captain the defense...

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Here’s my stab at it:
 

Patrick Onwuasor - I think he is a slam dunk LB2 with Mosely gone.  There’s nobody on the roster to challenge him and he’ll likely be the green dot.

 

Shaun-Dion Hamilton - I have pimped him some this year right after Foster went down.  3 down LB whose value dropped in the draft due to injury.  Fast, instinctive, smart and doesn’t get caught in the wash.  Talent meets opportunity.

 

Preston Brown - Solid LB3 with some upside after Burfict’s departure.  Worth a good look in building your corps.

 

Zach Brown - He ought to have a good year for a redraft pickup, but odds are he’s not available in dynasty and I’ve got a close eye on TJ Edwards, who by all accounts the Eagles have already fallen deeply in love with (and for good reason) as a great dynasty stash if you have practice squads.

 

KJ Wright - solid LB3 without a lot of upside

 

Jon Bostic - Think he’ll do a good job of putting up solid LB3/LB4 numbers.  Great guy to have on the roster as depth.

 

Oren Burks - reports so far have been very bright as to his improvement.  If they are valid, he’s a 3 down LB and figures to steal a lot of Martinez’ thunder.  A great swing for the fences guy after your first 3 guys are rostered.

 

Anthony Barr - LB4 with not a lot to get excited about, but is an okay depth piece.

 

BJ Goodson - Same as Barr.

 

Wesley Woodyard - Same as Barr, especially with Evans stealing snaps

 

Bobby Okereke - bad spot for him right now, but a good stash/WW speed dial guy.  He could have a very good career.

 

Rashan Evans - Needs Woodyard to move on.  Until then he’s too unreliable to start in FF.

 

Alex Anzalone - Not a fan at all.

 

Mack Wilson - this guy screams career STer/replacement level talent to me.  I like CLE and what they are doing, but I think they missed here.

 

Kamu Grieger-Hill - No thanks, not even for depth.

 

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This is maybe not a 100% fit for this thread, but in a redraft IDP league. How do you go about when to start draft defense.

 

The last few years I went super agressive and started picking the top players as early as Round 7 (after I filled 3RB, 2WR and TE or QB) last year I even went Luke Kuechly round 6.

I always try to have a top 3 LB and a top 3 DB. If possible even two top 5 LB.

Last year I got really lucky because I drafted Jamal Adams late and picked up Vander Esch. This was necessary because we changed from standard to full PPR and I underestimated the increase of points scored across the board.

In Standard a Top 3 LB was like a good WR2, with PPR it's different. And now I'm not sure when to start.

 

(League info in sig and also in our league when you start picking defense, half the league starts picking defense, too. And if you're not one of the initiaters, you propably miss out on Top 5 LB and DB)

 

 

PS: I somehow think it's weird that the majority of fantasy is DST. IDP is suuuuuuper fun.

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2 hours ago, thebadferret said:

This is maybe not a 100% fit for this thread, but in a redraft IDP league. How do you go about when to start draft defense.

 

The last few years I went super agressive and started picking the top players as early as Round 7 (after I filled 3RB, 2WR and TE or QB) last year I even went Luke Kuechly round 6.

I always try to have a top 3 LB and a top 3 DB. If possible even two top 5 LB.

Last year I got really lucky because I drafted Jamal Adams late and picked up Vander Esch. This was necessary because we changed from standard to full PPR and I underestimated the increase of points scored across the board.

In Standard a Top 3 LB was like a good WR2, with PPR it's different. And now I'm not sure when to start.

 

(League info in sig and also in our league when you start picking defense, half the league starts picking defense, too. And if you're not one of the initiaters, you propably miss out on Top 5 LB and DB)

 

 

PS: I somehow think it's weird that the majority of fantasy is DST. IDP is suuuuuuper fun.

 

this thread is all IDP, so while it doesn't add to the previous post your post is welcome. for any and all IDP, the #1 rule applies here: own your scoring system. in my favorite IDP leagues, any defensive player can score just as many points as any offensive player. last season, bobby wagner, danielle hunter, vanderesch, and clowney had oustscored QBs in their best weeks in these leagues. increased points values for defensive lineman who earn TFL (tackle-for-loss), or DBs who earn sacks, etc., are huge determining factors for drafting.

but these leagues where all players are valued equally are rare; if your IDP players generally don't earn as many points as offensive players, you can wait until you fill your starting positions before drafting IDP (e.g. round 7 / 8). like you said, if your LBs earned WR2 numbers in standard, but now you're considering PPR, it's easy to see how WR2s will outscore LBs weekly, and you're starting 2-3 WRs (and some of these WRs will net you return yards).

in the league you're referring to, with DL / LB / LB / DB / DB i would wait until double-digit rounds before picking IDP. yes, it's a 16-teamer, but the volume of capable IDP candidates is huge because there are only 5 positions used, even for 16 team leagues. if this worries you, go top LB earlier (round 8 at the earliest), but i'd avoid DBs until late double-digit rounds, even at the expense of missing out on JAdams, LCollins, etc. it's even possible to stream DBs in a 16-team league, or buy a solid DB earlier (round 10) and stream your second DB all season long. for DBs, snap-count is key, as well as matchups / traffic. for DL, with only one position, i'm fine waiting until double-digits: you miss out on danielle hunter and bosa and bosa and watt, but with an 8-man bench none of your leaguemates are taking 2 DLs, and you can land solidity even in the last two rounds of your draft; here, i'd target rookies and sophomores (clelin farrell, rashaan gary, collier, sam hubbard --- the list of starters is long).

hope my two cents helps.

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18 hours ago, Bronco Billy said:
Here’s my stab at it:
 

Patrick Onwuasor - I think he is a slam dunk LB2 with Mosely gone.  There’s nobody on the roster to challenge him and he’ll likely be the green dot.

Shaun-Dion Hamilton - I have pimped him some this year right after Foster went down.  3 down LB whose value dropped in the draft due to injury.  Fast, instinctive, smart and doesn’t get caught in the wash.  Talent meets opportunity.

KJ Wright - solid LB3 without a lot of upside

 

great write-up. i'll throw some additional comments to broaden perspective.

first, i've been reading up on shaun-dion hamilton nonstop, because of your post and the previous post by FTL. everything points towards health here, with the ACL and kneecap injuries at alabama sending his draft stock down two years ago. from where i sit, washington would not have let mason foster go if they did not believe in hamilton's health. bostic will replace reuben foster for one year, and it seems---or least every washington beat writer believes---a healthy shaun-dion hamilton is the answer in the middle. i love the kid's chances to make an impact. seems to have all the tools, with only his health posing a risk. if he plays all 16 games, we're looking at 100-tackle floor. loved watching his tape from alabama.

kj wright: before his injury last season, wright was averaging 115 tackles, even alongside bobby wagner. i like your take on oren burns (more of an impediment for blake martinez than a breakout for himself), but i see wright as LB2 with LB1 potential (playing 16 games). the only factor could alter wright's previous 4-year average is seattle's essential "keep-away" offense as they will suck time from the clock as they run and run again.

onwuasor: undersized for a LB, essentially a safety playing at LB. i'm thinking onwuasor may be a forerunner of a trend in the NFL. more and more backfields are producing shifty RBs and LBs cannot keep tabs on these guys (there are few devin bush level speedsters at LB). placing onwuasor-type players in the middle gives the defense a well-rounded shot at holding screens to a minimal gain and preventing 3rd-down breakaways. in the past, the emphasis was on height and bulk---along with speed---and now a 5'11 or 6' LB weighing in at 225 is entirely possible and may even provide an advantage if he's quicker and tenacious. onwuasor may not be able to keep up with tarik cohen (no one can), but he's quick and he was strong enough and aggressive enough to manhandle melvin gordon last season.

 

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this thread is all IDP, so while it doesn't add to the previous post your post is welcome. for any and all IDP, the #1 rule applies here: own your scoring system. in my favorite IDP leagues, any defensive player can score just as many points as any offensive player. last season, bobby wagner, danielle hunter, vanderesch, and clowney had oustscored QBs in their best weeks in these leagues. increased points values for defensive lineman who earn TFL (tackle-for-loss), or DBs who earn sacks, etc., are huge determining factors for drafting.

but these leagues where all players are valued equally are rare; if your IDP players generally don't earn as many points as offensive players, you can wait until you fill your starting positions before drafting IDP (e.g. round 7 / 8). like you said, if your LBs earned WR2 numbers in standard, but now you're considering PPR, it's easy to see how WR2s will outscore LBs weekly, and you're starting 2-3 WRs (and some of these WRs will net you return yards).

in the league you're referring to, with DL / LB / LB / DB / DB i would wait until double-digit rounds before picking IDP. yes, it's a 16-teamer, but the volume of capable IDP candidates is huge because there are only 5 positions used, even for 16 team leagues. if this worries you, go top LB earlier (round 8 at the earliest), but i'd avoid DBs until late double-digit rounds, even at the expense of missing out on JAdams, LCollins, etc. it's even possible to stream DBs in a 16-team league, or buy a solid DB earlier (round 10) and stream your second DB all season long. for DBs, snap-count is key, as well as matchups / traffic. for DL, with only one position, i'm fine waiting until double-digits: you miss out on danielle hunter and bosa and bosa and watt, but with an 8-man bench none of your leaguemates are taking 2 DLs, and you can land solidity even in the last two rounds of your draft; here, i'd target rookies and sophomores (clelin farrell, rashaan gary, collier, sam hubbard --- the list of starters is long).

hope my two cents helps.

 

Thanks for the reply and just for clarification we already switched to PPR last year. You gave me the idea to really do the cross check here:

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That's why I created this table. I shows the top32 LB in our league last year. In Drafted you can see the pick they went (if drafted). In RB and WR you can see where they ranked if they would play that position. I also marked the players I drafted or picked up (Vander Esch).

If we factor out Leonard since he seems to be a far outlier the span from LB2 to LB32 is 43 points compared to the LB2 thats a 28% drop (for WR 347 - 187, so a 46% drop| for RB 389 - 144, so a 63% drop).

So maybe I really should consider drafting later now because the decline does not seem so bad. On the other hand normally I have my RB and WR starters together in round 5 or 6 and I can't play more than 5 of them at the same time. That's why I think round 7 always turn out to be the round where IDP starts, because most people wait on TEs or QBs and after 6 rounds you're set with the important positions (for starters at least).

 

Thanks for you answer but now I'm even less sure what I should do :D

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42 minutes ago, Sack Exchange said:

 

kj wright: before his injury last season, wright was averaging 115 tackles, even alongside bobby wagner. i like your take on oren burns (more of an impediment for blake martinez than a breakout for himself), but i see wright as LB2 with LB1 potential (playing 16 games). the only factor could alter wright's previous 4-year average is seattle's essential "keep-away" offense as they will suck time from the clock as they run and run again.

 

 

A couple of comments here in the demeanor of discussion and not argument.

 

Maybe it’s our league scoring, but Wright has never come close to LB1 scoring.  I think his 2016 season was his ceiling, and in our league that still made him LB29.  He does accumulate tackles, but a lot of them are assists and not solos, which we score differently.  He is about a reliable LB3 as you would want and he sits near the top end of that tier, but he just doesn’t do enough other stuff to get him over the hump.  That doesn’t mean he’s a mediocre LB in the NFL - he’s very valuable in the real game.  But I think his name recognition outpaces his FF capability.

 

As to Burks - he definitely has a lot to prove after last season, but I see Martinez as an accumulator who in real life makes tackles too far downfield as he lets the play come to him.  If Burks finally comprehends all the facets of the pro game, which early reports says he does, then he’s going to get to a lot of ball carriers before Martinez does, plus he should be a much better asset in pass D.  Martinez was putting up big stats, IMO of course, simply because he had enough D line to protect him and there was little competition  for tackles at LB in the middle of the field once the ball carrier got past the LoS.  That said, Burks still has a lot to prove, which makes him that swing for the fences guy.

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3 hours ago, thebadferret said:

This is maybe not a 100% fit for this thread, but in a redraft IDP league. How do you go about when to start draft defense.

 

The last few years I went super agressive and started picking the top players as early as Round 7 (after I filled 3RB, 2WR and TE or QB) last year I even went Luke Kuechly round 6.

I always try to have a top 3 LB and a top 3 DB. If possible even two top 5 LB.

Last year I got really lucky because I drafted Jamal Adams late and picked up Vander Esch. This was necessary because we changed from standard to full PPR and I underestimated the increase of points scored across the board.

In Standard a Top 3 LB was like a good WR2, with PPR it's different. And now I'm not sure when to start.

 

(League info in sig and also in our league when you start picking defense, half the league starts picking defense, too. And if you're not one of the initiaters, you propably miss out on Top 5 LB and DB)

 

 

PS: I somehow think it's weird that the majority of fantasy is DST. IDP is suuuuuuper fun.

 

Great question.  In my opinion, your starting point is to figure out how valuable your IDPs are based upon starting requirements, then where your IDPs fit as compared to O, and then to create actual values for them.

 

If you are in a league that isn’t fully committed to IDP and starts very few players, the value of even the top guys are not going to be very high.  If like us you start a full 11 man D and separate out DEs/DTs and Ss/CBs, value is going to increase - just like it does when O starting requirements are increased.

 

In our league, the top scoring D players are roughly equivalent to midround WR2s, and so we see them starting to come off the board in our rookie drafts around the very end of the 1st round to the middle of the 2nd round.

 

As always, you are always looking for value to outpace draft position in your FF drafts.  So your league scoring history is extremely valuable in determining how positions are valued in comparison to other positions, and how players are valued within their position.  Do a 3 year to 5 year historical study to see how value shakes out.  I like using starters plus half a round as my baseline for value (it helps to account for flex positions IMO).  

 

If this is a startup league, you can get that data in your scoring system and starting requirements by using a system that has historical NFL data and setting up a fake league to get your FF scoring,  I like FFLM a lot to do this, and can get 5 year FF data for our scoring system for export to excel in about half an hour to set up and run, and then another 15-20 minutes to manipulate in excel to create value for each position and player (not specific individual players, but player ranking within position like RB1, WR3, or LB2).

 

Then assign your specific players by position and rank depending on your assessment, and draft by getting studs early (as always) and then letting value fall to you as the drafts progresses.

 

It sounds complicated, but it really doesn’t take that long and it is great fun (being and engineer and a math major, I have odd ideas of fun...).  If you just suck at manipulation of data or computer programs, you can pay a small amount for a service to manipulate the data for you and create value tables (FBGs has a pretty good one) and then shift around players as you think they may perform better or worse than the programs prognostications place them.

 

But the main thing is to have fun.  Put into it as much as you want to get out of it.  If you’re just a twice a week guys who spends 10 minutes to check the WW and set your lineup, then you probably don’t want to sink 3-4 hours into creating your value set up and you may be better served in your draft using a decent cheatsheet and flying by the seat of your pants.  If you’re a nerd like me then dig in and enjoy creating your own model and turning it loose on the rest of your league.

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@Sack Exchange @Bronco Billy @Boudewijn @thebadferret @cohenstantinople

32 RD 14 Team IDP Re-Draft PPR

I am team "Godfather" and my team is in my signature.

*following the draft, I traded from a place of strength (LB) to fill a weakness (QB). Traded LB Jarrad Davis for QB Josh Allen.

My apologies for the length and style, but I really had no other option in posting format.

IDP scoring: DL (3pt/solo, 1.5pt/asst, 5pt/sack, 8pt/INT, 2pt/PD), LB (2pt/solo, 1pt/asst, 5pt/Sack, 6pt/INT, 2pt/PD) and DB (2pt/solo, 1pt/asst, 7pt/sack, 6pt/INT, 1pt/PD)

*all other scoring is equal across IDPs (3pt/FF, 4pt/FR, 2pt/Safety, blah blah blah).

4.01 43 Westy  Wagner, Bobby SEA LB
4.02 44 BGG Kuechly, Luke CAR LB
4.03 45 Godfather Vander Esch, Leighton DAL LB
4.07 49 Hopeless Jones, Deion ATL LB
4.09 51 Ice Watt, J.J. HOU DE
5.02 58 Ragin Donald, Aaron LAR DE
5.1 66 Solids Garrett, Myles CLE DE
6.03 73 Godfather Smith, Roquan CHI LB
6.04 74 4th & Schlong Edmunds, Tremaine BUF LB
6.06 76 Wickerkat Mack, Khalil CHI LB
6.09 79 Ice Bush, Devin PIT LB
6.1 80 HURRIFAN Houston, Justin IND DE
6.12 82 BenGrimm Hunter, Danielle MIN DE
7.01 85 Outlaw Martinez, Blake GBP LB
7.03 87 BenGrimm Littleton, Cory LAR LB
7.04 88 GlassJoe Smith, Telvin JAC LB
7.05 89 HURRIFAN Mathieu, Tyrann KCC S
7.06 90 Ice Smith, Jaylon DAL LB
7.08 92 Hopeless Bosa, Joey LAC DE
7.13 97 BGG Campbell, Calais JAC DE
8.02 100 BGG David, Lavonte TBB LB
8.03 101 Godfather Lawrence, Demarcus DAL DE
8.05 103 Solids Jordan, Cameron NOS DE
8.06 104 Wickerkat Jack, Myles JAC LB
8.11 109 GlassJoe James, Derwin LAC S
8.14 112 Outlaw Clark, Frank KCC DE
9.01 113 Outlaw Vigil, Nick CIN LB
9.02 114 Ragin Mosley, C.J. NYJ LB
9.09 121 Wickerkat Adams, Jamal NYJ S
9.1 122 Solids Buckner, DeForest SFO DT
9.11 123 4th & Schlong Foster, Mason FA LB
9.13 125 BGG Alonso, Kiko MIA LB
9.14 126 Westy  Dunlap, Carlos CIN DE
10 127 Westy  Alexander, Kwon SFO LB
10 129 Godfather Schobert, Joe CLE LB
10 130 4th & Schlong Jones, Chris KCC DT
10.1 132 Wickerkat Ford, Dee SFO DE
10.1 133 Hopeless Hicks, Jordan ARI LB
10.1 136 HURRIFAN Whitehead, Tahir OAK LB
10.1 137 GlassJoe White, Devin TBB LB
10.1 138 BenGrimm Young, Kenny BAL LB
11.1 146 Ice Cunningham, Zach HOU LB
11.1 154 Westy  Flowers, Trey DET DE
12.1 159 Solids Brown, Zach PHI LB
12.1 161 Hopeless Bethea, Antoine NYG S
12.1 163 Ice Collins, Landon WAS S
12.1 164 HURRIFAN Clinton-Dix, Ha Ha CHI S
12.1 165 GlassJoe Griffen, Everson MIN DE
13 170 Ragin Kirksey, Christian CLE LB
13.1 175 Kiddlattimer Hicks, Akiem CHI DE
13.1 176 Hopeless Bennett, Michael NEP DE
13.1 177 Wickerkat Trevathan, Danny CHI LB
13.1 180 Godfather Baker, Budda ARI S
14 183 Westy  Johnson, John LAR S
14 186 4th & Schlong Ogletree, Alec NYG LB
14.1 189 Hopeless Davis, Demario NOS LB
14.1 190 Kiddlattimer Vernon, Olivier CLE DE
14.1 192 HURRIFAN Suh, Ndamukong TBB DT
14.1 196 Outlaw Clark, Kenny GBP DT
15 197 Outlaw Fitzpatrick, Minkah MIA S
15 198 Ragin Ingram, Melvin LAC DE
15 200 GlassJoe Smith, Harrison MIN S
15.1 201 HURRIFAN Hitchens, Anthony KCC LB
15.1 202 Ice Neal, Keanu ATL S
15.1 203 Kiddlattimer Bosa, Nick SFO DE
15.1 206 Solids Brown, Preston CIN LB
15.1 208 Godfather Abram, Johnathan OAK S
15.1 209 BGG Reid, Justin HOU S
16 211 Westy  Jenkins, Malcolm PHI S
16 213 Godfather Davis, Jarrad DET LB
16 214 4th & Schlong Williams, Shawn CIN S
16.1 218 Kiddlattimer Poyer, Jordan BUF S
16.1 219 Ice Ferrell, Clelin OAK DE
16.1 220 HURRIFAN Woodyard, Wesley TEN LB
16.1 221 GlassJoe Brown, Jayon TEN LB
16.1 222 BenGrimm Burns, Brian CAR DE
16.1 223 Ragin Heyward, Cameron PIT DE
16.1 224 Outlaw Nicholson, Montae WAS S
17 225 Outlaw Barnett, Derek PHI DE
17 226 Ragin Williamson, Avery NYJ LB
17 227 BenGrimm McKinney, Benardrick HOU LB
17 228 GlassJoe Geathers, Clayton IND S
17.1 231 Kiddlattimer McDougald, Bradley SEA S
17.1 232 Hopeless Thornhill, Juan KCC S
17.1 233 Wickerkat Byard, Kevin TEN S
17.1 234 Solids Bates, Jessie CIN S
18 240 BGG Ngakoue, Yannick JAC DE
18 242 4th & Schlong Reddick, Haason ARI LB
18.1 244 Wickerkat Jones, Reshad MIA S
18.1 246 Kiddlattimer Davis, Todd DEN LB
18.1 247 Ice Amos, Adrian GBP S
18.1 250 BenGrimm Bell, Vonn NOS S
18.1 251 Ragin Kendricks, Eric MIN LB
18.1 252 Outlaw Oliver, Ed BUF DT
19 254 Ragin Jackson, Eddie CHI S
19 255 BenGrimm Simmons, Justin DEN S
19.1 257 HURRIFAN Moore, Kenny IND CB
19.1 259 Kiddlattimer Warner, Fred SFO LB
19.1 261 Wickerkat Casey, Jurrell TEN DE
19.1 262 Solids Chubb, Bradley DEN LB
19.1 264 Godfather Allen, Jonathan WAS DE
19.1 265 BGG Hubbard, Sam CIN DE
19.1 266 Westy  Miller, Von DEN LB
20 268 BGG Parks, Will DEN S
20.1 275 Ice Davenport, Marcus NOS DE
20.1 276 HURRIFAN Graham, Brandon PHI DE
20.1 277 GlassJoe Reed, Jarran SEA DT
20.1 278 BenGrimm Hughes, Jerry BUF DE
20.1 280 Outlaw Onwuasor, Patrick BAL LB
21.1 288 Hopeless Collier, L.J. SEA DE
21.1 291 4th & Schlong Harrison, Damon DET DT
21.1 293 BGG Hooker, Malik IND S
21.1 294 Westy  Ansah, Ezekiel SEA DE
22.1 299 Solids Thompson, Shaq CAR LB
22.1 301 Hopeless Bradham, Nigel PHI LB
22.1 307 Ragin Reid, Eric CAR S
23 309 Outlaw Ward, Denzel CLE CB
23 311 BenGrimm McMillan, Raekwon MIA LB
23.1 317 Wickerkat Cox, Fletcher PHI DT
23.1 318 Solids Harrison, Ronnie JAC S
23.1 319 4th & Schlong Edmunds, Terrell PIT S
23.1 321 BGG Lee, Darron KCC LB
23.1 322 Westy  Thomas, Earl BAL S
24 323 Westy  Jarrett, Grady ATL DT
24 326 4th & Schlong Baker, Jerome MIA LB
24.1 327 Solids Autry, Denico IND DT
24.1 329 Hopeless Wilkins, Christian MIA DT
24.1 332 HURRIFAN Peters, Corey ARI DT
24.1 333 GlassJoe Vea, Vita TBB DT
24.1 334 BenGrimm Maye, Marcus NYJ S
24.1 335 Ragin Watt, T.J. PIT LB
24.1 336 Outlaw Williams, Vince PIT LB
25 338 Ragin Randall, Damarious CLE S
25 339 BenGrimm Jewell, Josey DEN LB
25 340 GlassJoe Sheard, Jabaal IND DE
25.1 341 HURRIFAN Wright, K.J. SEA LB
25.1 342 Ice Milano, Matt BUF LB
25.1 346 Solids Evans, Rashaan TEN LB
25.1 347 4th & Schlong Golden, Markus NYG LB
25.1 348 Godfather Williams, Quinnen NYJ DT
26 351 Westy  Addison, Mario CAR DE
26 354 4th & Schlong Jackson, Kareem DEN CB
26.1 356 Wickerkat Walker, Anthony IND LB
26.1 363 Ragin Brown, Jatavis LAC LB
26.1 364 Outlaw Savage, Darnell GBP S
27 366 Ragin Van Noy, Kyle NEP LB
27 368 GlassJoe Alexander, Lorenzo BUF LB
27.1 369 HURRIFAN Swearinger, D.J. ARI S
27.1 371 Kiddlattimer Quinn, Robert DAL DE
27.1 376 Godfather Hamilton, Shaun Dion WAS LB
27.1 377 BGG Ogunjobi, Larry CLE DT
28 380 BGG Burfict, Vontaze OAK LB
28 381 Godfather Peppers, Jabrill NYG S
28.1 383 Solids Okereke, Bobby IND LB
28.1 384 Wickerkat Amukamara, Prince CHI CB
28.1 386 Kiddlattimer Collins, Jamie NEP LB
28.1 390 BenGrimm Winovich, Chase NEP DE
29 393 Outlaw Bostic, Jon WAS LB
29 396 GlassJoe Davis, Sean PIT S
29.1 403 4th & Schlong Atkins, Geno CIN DT
29.1 404 Godfather Allen, Josh JAC DE
29.1 405 BGG Pierre-Paul, Jason TBB DE
30 407 Westy  Vaccaro, Kenny TEN S
30.1 413 Hopeless Ragland, Reggie KCC LB
30.1 415 Ice Beasley, Vic ATL DE
30.1 416 HURRIFAN Hill, B.J. NYG DE
30.1 419 Ragin Tuitt, Stephon PIT DE
31 421 Outlaw Barr, Anthony MIN LB
31 424 GlassJoe Nkemdiche, Robert ARI DE
31.1 427 Kiddlattimer Evans, Justin TBB S
31.1 428 Hopeless Lattimore, Marshon NOS CB
31.1 431 4th & Schlong Williams, Leonard NYJ DE
32 437 Godfather Williams, Quincy JAC LB
32.1 439 Solids Burnett, Morgan CLE S
32.1 441 Hopeless McKinley, Takkarist ATL DE
32.1 444 HURRIFAN Matthews, Clay LAR LB
32.1 446 BenGrimm

McCourty, Devin NEP S

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Bronco Billy said:

 

Great question.  In my opinion, your starting point is to figure out how valuable your IDPs are based upon starting requirements, then where your IDPs fit as compared to O, and then to create actual values for them.

 

If you are in a league that isn’t fully committed to IDP and starts very few players, the value of even the top guys are not going to be very high.  If like us you start a full 11 man D and separate out DEs/DTs and Ss/CBs, value is going to increase - just like it does when O starting requirements are increased.

 

In our league, the top scoring D players are roughly equivalent to midround WR2s, and so we see them starting to come off the board in our rookie drafts around the very end of the 1st round to the middle of the 2nd round.

 

As always, you are always looking for value to outpace draft position in your FF drafts.  So your league scoring history is extremely valuable in determining how positions are valued in comparison to other positions, and how players are valued within their position.  Do a 3 year to 5 year historical study to see how value shakes out.  I like using starters plus half a round as my baseline for value (it helps to account for flex positions IMO).  

 

If this is a startup league, you can get that data in your scoring system and starting requirements by using a system that has historical NFL data and setting up a fake league to get your FF scoring,  I like FFLM a lot to do this, and can get 5 year FF data for our scoring system for export to excel in about half an hour to set up and run, and then another 15-20 minutes to manipulate in excel to create value for each position and player (not specific individual players, but player ranking within position like RB1, WR3, or LB2).

 

Then assign your specific players by position and rank depending on your assessment, and draft by getting studs early (as always) and then letting value fall to you as the drafts progresses.

 

It sounds complicated, but it really doesn’t take that long and it is great fun (being and engineer and a math major, I have odd ideas of fun...).  If you just suck at manipulation of data or computer programs, you can pay a small amount for a service to manipulate the data for you and create value tables (FBGs has a pretty good one) and then shift around players as you think they may perform better or worse than the programs prognostications place them.

 

But the main thing is to have fun.  Put into it as much as you want to get out of it.  If you’re just a twice a week guys who spends 10 minutes to check the WW and set your lineup, then you probably don’t want to sink 3-4 hours into creating your value set up and you may be better served in your draft using a decent cheatsheet and flying by the seat of your pants.  If you’re a nerd like me then dig in and enjoy creating your own model and turning it loose on the rest of your league.

 

Im coming from a programming background so as odd as it may sound statistics and handling them for me is one of the major funs of FF.

If I find the time i put it into stuff like this but this season unfortunetaly has to work with less.

 

I dont really like the rounds 8-14 because there is nearly no good player left in 16 league and its to early to reach for sleepers. Thats probably the main reason was i like to load on defense there. Even though in the Ende ist May be worse but I prefer to have kuechly and some deep sleeper at WR than Parker and some Rookie LB.

 

BTW where can i find the biggest community about idp because i feel thats a field where you really can get an edge bc everybody will know the hot RB sleepers but who cares too much about a rookie LB

 

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4 hours ago, Bronco Billy said:

 

A couple of comments here in the demeanor of discussion and not argument.

 

Maybe it’s our league scoring, but Wright has never come close to LB1 scoring.  I think his 2016 season was his ceiling, and in our league that still made him LB29.  He does accumulate tackles, but a lot of them are assists and not solos, which we score differently.  He is about a reliable LB3 as you would want and he sits near the top end of that tier, but he just doesn’t do enough other stuff to get him over the hump.  That doesn’t mean he’s a mediocre LB in the NFL - he’s very valuable in the real game.  But I think his name recognition outpaces his FF capability.

 

it's all good, and good to have the discussion, especially here in rotoworld, the black hole of IDP

not saying KJ wright is equal to wagner, not saying he'll tally points close to wagner, but i am saying he's a bargain / steal at his current adp. not counting last year when wright missed the season due to injury, the previous four years he played alongside wagner and put up great numbers. yes, wagner's solo tackles are significantly higher, but a floor of 70 solo tackles is huge. he's also paced wagner in other categories as well (except zero TDs for wright) and out-performed him in forced-fumbles.

i love wagner, and in my dynasty league where we count yardage for interceptions wagner won me big-time last year (90+ yard interception / TD was insane points). but if stats mean anything---and if wright is healthy---looks like they're both playable, though wagner costs a premium.

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some interesting news early out of Detroit:

 

Jahlani Tavai is working ahead of Christian Jones and Jalen Reeves-Mabin at WLB and also took some work at MLB.  Apparently looked very good too, while Jones and JRM were pedestrian or worse.

 

 

 

 

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A couple of TEN guys most probably on your WW that bear keeping an eye on if you are in a start 11 league:

 

Sharif Finch, LB. Getting a lot of very good reps and looks very good doing so.  Technique is supposed to be sound, aggressive, and put on some weight to help with his anchorage

 

Amani Hooker, S. There is some very real and sound thinking that he is going to take Vaccaro’s starting job as SS.  If so, he’s a sleeper to put up solid S2 numbers with some week to week upside.

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If anyone's interested, I have three 12 team Yahoo leagues with IDP that have open slots for owners.  From $50 to $125.  All of them have Weekly Payouts to the highest scoring team each week, and highest category scorer each week (highest scoring QB, highest scoring DB, WR, TE, RB1+RB2, etc..)   One of them is also a Superflex league.       Let me know if any of you may be interested.    

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