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So Callaway and Vargas apparently threatened to kick a beat writer's a** for asking why Cal left Lugo in for 40+ pitches to face Baez. Baez homered on an 0-2 sinker or two seamer. 

They won't bring in the closer for 4 outs but they are perfectly ok with abusing Lugo's arm. Btw, Lugo's already been on the DL earlier in the year with shoulder prob or something.

Callaway may be gone by the AS Break, but it will still be the same crap no matter who gets hired. Wilpon still there.

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1 hour ago, papasmurf said:

So Callaway and Vargas apparently threatened to kick a beat writer's a** for asking why Cal left Lugo in for 40+ pitches to face Baez. Baez homered on an 0-2 sinker or two seamer. 

They won't bring in the closer for 4 outs but they are perfectly ok with abusing Lugo's arm. Btw, Lugo's already been on the DL earlier in the year with shoulder prob or something.

Callaway may be gone by the AS Break, but it will still be the same crap no matter who gets hired. Wilpon still there.

Callaway didn't threaten to kick anyone's a**. That was all Vargas. Callaway just called him a m-fer and told him to get out of the clubhouse. The reporter was just in the line of fire after a series of questions from a lot of other reporters. NY media can be relentless and it just got the best of him. With that being said, as a Met fan I hope this is the last straw as much as I don't think the Mets bullpen problems falls on Callaway, he is not a very good in game manager and has a lot to learn. Let him learn somewhere else where he isn't questioned by 20 reporters after every game. How many double switches can this guy make that are bizarre and don't make sense? How many times can he leave a pitcher in to get shelled when he obviously doesn't have his best stuff? How many times is he going to give red hot players a rest when trying to get back to .500? I can go on and on. If Met fans would rather Collins back than this manager is pretty bad. The fact is no manager wants this job because they have to deal with the Wilpons and the circus they have built.

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Oh man how old is Mike now? Haven't seen him for some years, he looks so old now.

Back to the Mess... if they get swept at ATL, that's gotta be it for Callaway right?

 

 

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I’m just glad they keep paying Bonilla year after year

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Mets fans, is the team going to stick with Smith in the starting lineup, or do you think this is just a short term thing?  His minor league profile is pretty good.  He hit .300 at multiple levels in the minors and looks pretty confident at the plate.

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29 minutes ago, dicka24 said:

Mets fans, is the team going to stick with Smith in the starting lineup, or do you think this is just a short term thing?  His minor league profile is pretty good.  He hit .300 at multiple levels in the minors and looks pretty confident at the plate.

They should. He proved he deserves to play every day, and hit higher in the lineup than Cano. Problems are that he is a natural 1B and they’d have to continue playing him out of position the OF, plus this is the Mets so you can’t expect them to do the logical thing.

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Committed sellers? No they’re selective sellers. Teams are interested in Thor so the Mets shop Vargas. For three straight seasons this team is too scared to do a total rebuild and once again they’ll end up having another mediocre season. Even Matz is “untouchable”. Wake up Mets, this isn’t 2015 anymore. The NL East keeps getting stronger.

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They have a solid base upon which to build and a total rebuild would be a bad move. The offense has been better than expected with some good, young talent. The starting pitching isn’t as good as expected this season but it’s a good core. They really just need an average bullpen to contend. A good bullpen puts them near the top of the league. 

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21 minutes ago, y2jbones said:

They have a solid base upon which to build and a total rebuild would be a bad move. The offense has been better than expected with some good, young talent. The starting pitching isn’t as good as expected this season but it’s a good core. They really just need an average bullpen to contend. A good bullpen puts them near the top of the league. 

 

And how much better would the Braves be with a good bullpen?

How much better would the Phillies be with better starting pitching?

How much better would the Nats be if they didn’t struggle early in the season?

All these teams are playing better than the Mets despite the flaws that they have. Good teams find ways to overcome their flaws, bad teams don’t. 

And no, it’s not just a bad bullpen. The Mets are one of the worst defensive teams in the Majors. It happens when you force your young 2B to play in the OF because your GM wanted to bring in an old 2B. It happens when you spend money on a catcher who is now not even good enough to catch your best pitchers. Brilliant moves. 

Every season this team comes up with excuses to not do a rebuild. Last season it was injuries and bad luck. This season it’s the bullpen and bad luck. What are the excuses next season? I can guarantee one excuse is going to be bad luck because it’s easy to hide behind bad luck. It’s not bad luck why a team will finish 4th for the 3rd year in a row. 

Meanwhile the rest of the East keeps getting better. The Braves have the youth and a good farm system. The Phillies have plenty of money to spend. The Nats have youth, starting pitching and an owner willing to spend. But hey, keep dreaming like it’s 2015 Mets. 

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1 hour ago, Sine_cera said:

 

It’s not bad luck why a team will finish 4th for the 3rd year in a row. 

 

 

9th losing season since 2009! Just terrible.

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2 hours ago, y2jbones said:

They have a solid base upon which to build and a total rebuild would be a bad move. The offense has been better than expected with some good, young talent. The starting pitching isn’t as good as expected this season but it’s a good core. They really just need an average bullpen to contend. A good bullpen puts them near the top of the league. 

If you mean deGrom alone then yeah.  NL East has become a beast division and they are pussy cats next to most of the other teams.  Hell the Marlins have a way better pitching core of young talent than the Mets whose aging and always injured core are just plain bad at this point ... minus deGrom of course.  (And yes, Noah is not a Norse god after all).

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On 7/23/2019 at 1:40 PM, Sine_cera said:

 

And how much better would the Braves be with a good bullpen?

How much better would the Phillies be with better starting pitching?

How much better would the Nats be if they didn’t struggle early in the season?

All these teams are playing better than the Mets despite the flaws that they have. Good teams find ways to overcome their flaws, bad teams don’t. 

And no, it’s not just a bad bullpen. The Mets are one of the worst defensive teams in the Majors. It happens when you force your young 2B to play in the OF because your GM wanted to bring in an old 2B. It happens when you spend money on a catcher who is now not even good enough to catch your best pitchers. Brilliant moves. 

Every season this team comes up with excuses to not do a rebuild. Last season it was injuries and bad luck. This season it’s the bullpen and bad luck. What are the excuses next season? I can guarantee one excuse is going to be bad luck because it’s easy to hide behind bad luck. It’s not bad luck why a team will finish 4th for the 3rd year in a row. 

Meanwhile the rest of the East keeps getting better. The Braves have the youth and a good farm system. The Phillies have plenty of money to spend. The Nats have youth, starting pitching and an owner willing to spend. But hey, keep dreaming like it’s 2015 Mets. 

 

The so-called bad luck is bad defense and bad medical staff and bad front office decisions. The Mess are the Mess because they do not recognize this.

The rot starts with the Wilpons.

I am having a good chuckle because the Mess PR is trying to portray Stro as being psyched to join the Mess, completely ignoring the fact that he threw a tantrum cuz he got dumped in that ****hole.

 

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3 hours ago, papasmurf said:

The so-called bad luck is bad defense and bad medical staff and bad front office decisions. The Mess are the Mess because they do not recognize this.

The rot starts with the Wilpons.

I am having a good chuckle because the Mess PR is trying to portray Stro as being psyched to join the Mess, completely ignoring the fact that he threw a tantrum cuz he got dumped in that ****hole.

Yeah Stroman definitely didn't welcome his trade to the Mets with open arms, did he.  Hah hah.  His new mantra is obviously, "die, Mr Met, die!"

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On 7/23/2019 at 12:31 PM, Sine_cera said:

Committed sellers? No they’re selective sellers. Teams are interested in Thor so the Mets shop Vargas. For three straight seasons this team is too scared to do a total rebuild and once again they’ll end up having another mediocre season. Even Matz is “untouchable”. Wake up Mets, this isn’t 2015 anymore. The NL East keeps getting stronger.

It comes down to the Wilpons not wanting to risk seeing their income\attendance\ad ratings implode.  That is what they care about after all.  Not that they likely do not want to win, but they are not willing to make a lot less over the next 2-3 years to do so.  Simple as that really.  Add in bad management decisions, bad medical staff, bad scouting, etc.

 

 

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6 wins in a row 🤔

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DeGrom, Thor (pitching well), Wheeler (pitching better), Stroman and Vargas is a really good starting 5. I’m a fairly big Mets hater but I wouldn’t be shocked to see them make a play at the Wild Card. 

If they can get McNeil, Conforto and Alonso to click at the top of the lineup this team has legit talent. I’m wishing the best for them but we’ll see. Defense and their bullpen have been their weakest links so far and I don’t really see those improving all that much other than Diaz who SHOULD have a much better second half. 

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32 minutes ago, tywalson said:

DeGrom, Thor (pitching well), Wheeler (pitching better), Stroman and Vargas is a really good starting 5. I’m a fairly big Mets hater but I wouldn’t be shocked to see them make a play at the Wild Card. 

If they can get McNeil, Conforto and Alonso to click at the top of the lineup this team has legit talent. I’m wishing the best for them but we’ll see. Defense and their bullpen have been their weakest links so far and I don’t really see those improving all that much other than Diaz who SHOULD have a much better second half. 

Jason Vargas plays for the Phillies and gave them a victory over Atlanta a few days back. 

And no they will not sniff a wild card.  They are currently 6th in the race for the second wild card behind Washington, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, SF and Arizona and only 2 wins ahead of Cincy, SD and Colorado.  Which means they have to crawl over 5 teams while fighting off 3 more.  Not happening.

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Another shutout today, 7 wins in a row and only 4 games out the Wild Card. Two months left in the season. And we added Stroman. 

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15 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

Jason Vargas plays for the Phillies and gave them a victory over Atlanta a few days back. 

And no they will not sniff a wild card.  They are currently 6th in the race for the second wild card behind Washington, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, SF and Arizona and only 2 wins ahead of Cincy, SD and Colorado.  Which means they have to crawl over 5 teams while fighting off 3 more.  Not happening.

You’re right about Vargas, my bad.

They are better than SF, Arizona and the 3 teams you mentioned behind them. They also certainly have the talent to compete with Milwaukee, Philly and St Louis for the wild card. They have the best staff of that group by a mile. I’m not saying they are going to do it but I think it’s a possible scenario with some 55 games left to go. I will add if I had to put money down, I would go Washington and Milwaukee for the WC.

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3 hours ago, tywalson said:

You’re right about Vargas, my bad.

They are better than SF, Arizona and the 3 teams you mentioned behind them. They also certainly have the talent to compete with Milwaukee, Philly and St Louis for the wild card. They have the best staff of that group by a mile. I’m not saying they are going to do it but I think it’s a possible scenario with some 55 games left to go. I will add if I had to put money down, I would go Washington and Milwaukee for the WC.

 

They also have the worst manager and up the middle defense by a mile of that group.  That means they'll literally give away games they should win. 

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1 hour ago, 96mnc said:

 

They also have the worst manager and up the middle defense by a mile of that group.  That means they'll literally give away games they should win. 

Yup, agreed on that. They’re up to 7 straight though so we will see. I’m not a Mets fan so I don’t want to come off as biased or anything, I just feel that people hate them (for good reason) and it jades the realistic standpoint of the team.

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4 hours ago, tywalson said:

Yup, agreed on that. They’re up to 7 straight though so we will see. I’m not a Mets fan so I don’t want to come off as biased or anything, I just feel that people hate them (for good reason) and it jades the realistic standpoint of the team.

 

They are a few minor tweaks from being a high quality club next year.   I do think their flaws this season are too much to overcome.   

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One of these off-seasons they will address the bullpen issues. That will be the year they have a shot to win it all.

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They thought they did that last year.  Diaz and Familia are both signed for four years.

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