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2019 June Closer Thread

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52 minutes ago, Fiveohnine said:

Posting Iglesias’ numbers and concluding that “ maybe I shouldn’t have drafted him in fantasy baseball” would be fine. Jumping from those numbers to the conclusion that David Bell is a bad manger is obviously absurd given the facts I posted earlier regarding run prevention and the Reds’ otherwise garbage team. That’s all I’m saying.

Bell is paid to manage the team and Iglesias is paid to get guys out. That’s it, simple really. Much simpler than some convoluted cherry picking of Iglesias’ stats. 

 

I hear what you're saying, promise. And I respect you, will agree to disagree.

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55 minutes ago, Fiveohnine said:

Bell is paid to manage the team and Iglesias is paid to get guys out. That’s it, simple really. Much simpler than some convoluted cherry picking of Iglesias’ stats. 

 

 

the analytical departments ARE taking on more power on many teams BECAUSE SOME MANAGERS ARE SLOW TO LEARN how to best use their players....................

 

2019 Numbers

 
Split G IP ER ERA PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
8th 10 7.0 5 6.43 34 28 8 7 1 0 2 0 0 6 9 1.50 .250 .382 .500 .882 14 0 0 0 0 2 0 .294 132 131
9th 27 24.0 6 2.25 94 87 6 17 5 0 3 0 0 7 33 4.71 .195 .255 .356 .612 31 1 0 0 0 1 0 .275 60 71
Ext Inng 4 1.2 3 16.2 15 12 3 8 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 0.50 .667 .667 .833 1.50 10 0 0 0 1 1 0 .667 295 309
Inng7-9 30 31.0 11 3.19 128 115 14 24 6 0 5 0 0 13 42 3.23 .209 .289 .391 .680 45 1 0 0 0 3 0 .279 78 84

 

2018 Numbers

Split G IP ER ERA PA AB R H 2B 3B HR SB CS BB SO SO/W BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
8th 19 11.2 6 4.63 53 44 10 12 3 0 4 0 0 7 12 1.71 .273 .365 .614 .979 27 0 0 1 1 1 0 .276 199 169
9th 56 54.0 10 1.67 208 192 16 34 6 0 6 1 1 13 62 4.77 .177 .236 .302 .538 58 4 2 0 1 0 2 .224 68 54
Ext inng 8 6.1 3 4.26 30 25 4 6 0 0 2 0 0 5 6 1.20 .240 .367 .480 .847 12 0 0 0 0 1 0 .235 164 127
Inng7-9 62 65.2 16 2.19 261 236 26 46 9 0 10 1 1 20 74 3.70 .195 .262 .360 .622 85 4 2 1 2 1 2 .234 93 74

 

 

 

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Posted (edited)

This circle jerk is fascinating to me. Really. Iglesias sucks as a pitcher. David Bell is a good manager. Chopping up statistics to suggest otherwise is a way to spend your time, if that's what you enjoy.

I mean, how about next we can see how Iglesias pitches in night games vs. day games and then blame Bell for not using someone else based on more silly randomly picked stats that have no actual proof of affecting a pitcher’s ability to do his job and get guys out whatsoever? Sounds like a plan.

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15 minutes ago, Fiveohnine said:

This circle jerk is fascinating to me. Really. Iglesias sucks as a pitcher. David Bell is a good manager. Chopping up statistics to suggest otherwise is a way to spend your time, if that's what you enjoy.

I mean, how about next we can see how Iglesias pitches in night games vs. day games and then blame Bell for not using someone else based on more silly randomly picked stats that have no actual proof of affecting a pitcher’s ability to do his job and get guys out whatsoever? Sounds like a plan.

Stopped reading there.  Igelsias blows, no doubt about that.  But David Bell is one of worst managers in baseball.  Dudes a loser.  If his last name wasn’t Bell he wouldn’t be near a major league bench.

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As a "closer" Iglesias is solid. Last BS was like May 3rd. 13 out of 15 chances. But he's taken 7 losses in non-save chances. That's bad.

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Posted (edited)

Neris and Diaz gave up a combined 8 runs 2/3 of an inning.   

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Romo apparently hurt his ankle. Who'd be next up as closer on that dumpster fire?

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Posted (edited)

 

who would be next up in miami? anderson? guerrero?

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11 minutes ago, swingbatter said:

 

who would be next up in miami? anderson? guerrero?

 

Total tossup..neither one has been worth a damn this year...lol

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Wade Davis just got shredded again.  Hold on to Oberg tight.

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2 hours ago, ASHLANDARROWS1992 said:

 

Total tossup..neither one has been worth a damn this year...lol

Nick Anderson’s numbers look pretty damn solid to me. Just looks like he’s been really really unlucky this year though. I ran hard to pick him up just now and suggest y’all do the same!

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9 hours ago, BMcP said:

Kimbrel converts, but looked like he has some rust to shake off.  Benefited by an excellent defensive play by Rizzo (where he forgot to cover) and a ball called strike three on McCann.

Actually it sounds pretty normal to how he pitched last year.  Cubs fans get used to walking the edge of disaster saves from him.

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58 minutes ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

Actually it sounds pretty normal to how he pitched last year.  Cubs fans get used to walking the edge of disaster saves from him.

Guess I’m grateful I’m not a Cubs fan!

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5 hours ago, The Big Bat Theory said:

Actually it sounds pretty normal to how he pitched last year.  Cubs fans get used to walking the edge of disaster saves from him.

Which closers are flawless?

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42 minutes ago, Denbo32 said:

Which closers are flawless?

 

It makes Mariano Rivera's career even better given how hard the job seems to be these days.  He was pretty damn awesome.

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Resume? lol - He's been in COL two years now and if i'm not mistaken, he performed the same act last year, where he was pretty descent to start the season, but ultimately ended up being a train wreck.. This guy's probably going to be a dumpster fire for the remainder of this year, alternating back and forth between saves and EPIC fails.

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I think Alvarado may be one of the better second-half closers.  He's got filthy stuff, has little competition, and may be over whatever mental issues may have affected his pitching earlier in the season.  Rays handle pitchers well and he was a sleeper on many lists headed into this year.  If you're in a league that counts HLDs it's even better.

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On 6/23/2019 at 12:05 AM, The Big Bat Theory said:

Former closer Cody Allen lands with Minnesota.

 

Old Yeller rises from the dead like a zombie.

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I just watched Fernando Rodney get a save for the Nats.

Not a joke. 

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