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1 hour ago, Winky said:

A monster finish and a theory on what a new OC "should" do is the reason? nah

Just say it was just your man-crush getting the best of you... which is great... it's why we play... we all have guys we have to have and you actually got yours.
Fwiw, Henry would have been there for you in the 2nd, but you netted JuJu anyway, so you're all set with as solid a 1/2 punch as anyone.

 

People who get paid to do this stuff for a living have Henry as the 7th best RB. 

 

Maybe would have been there in the 2nd but due to my screen name plenty of people think it's funny to draft him just so I can't have him so I just decided to make him my 1st round pick, I could have picked juju at 1.12 and no one would have batted an eye. 

I think Henry will be a RB1 this year. 

Realistic goals Henry can attain this year

- he could lead the league in carries

- he could lead the league in rushing yards

- he could lead the league in TDs

- he could get 300 carries or more

 

Now who could you draft, as a RB, at 1.12 that could give you that kind of upside? Dalvin Cook? Nick Chubb? Joe Mixon? James Conner?

 

I'd ask you to consider each players Oline, offensive philosophy, and injury history.

Henry is likely to receive more carries than cook, Chubb, mixon, or Conner downside is they will all catch more passes than Henry this year, upside is that this is a .5 per reception league so it closed the gap that there would be in a full PPR league, upside for Henry is that his offense is built around him, he has no major injury history, Titans upgraded their OLine, he scored more TDs last year than any of the guys mentioned except James Conner, even if you add their rushing and receiving TDs together. So the points he could potentially lose in the receptions he could gain back in TDs and more carries.

The only guy I'd have considered over Henry at that spot for a RB would have been James Conner.

 

I drafted JuJu because he had 166 targets last year and that was with AB in Pittsburgh so I'm hoping for that much or more this year.

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Just now, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

People who get paid to do this stuff for a living

That just means they're smarter than us choosing jobs, not that they actually know more.

Look, we know you're a fan and that's fine. I even see why, especially after December, that was beautiful. But we're among f̶r̶i̶e̶n̶d̶s̶ g̶e̶n̶t̶l̶e̶m̶e̶n̶ we know you, and one more article along the same lines won't really sway us. 

Let Henry do the talking. I think he'll be fine this year.

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6 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

People who get paid to do this stuff for a living have Henry as the 7th best RB. 

 

Maybe would have been there in the 2nd but due to my screen name plenty of people think it's funny to draft him just so I can't have him so I just decided to make him my 1st round pick, I could have picked juju at 1.12 and no one would have batted an eye. 

I think Henry will be a RB1 this year. 

Realistic goals Henry can attain this year

- he could lead the league in carries

- he could lead the league in rushing yards

- he could lead the league in TDs

- he could get 300 carries or more

 

Now who could you draft, as a RB, at 1.12 that could give you that kind of upside? Dalvin Cook? Nick Chubb? Joe Mixon? James Conner?

 

I'd ask you to consider each players Oline, offensive philosophy, and injury history.

Henry is likely to receive more carries than cook, Chubb, mixon, or Conner downside is they will all catch more passes than Henry this year, upside is that this is a .5 per reception league so it closed the gap that there would be in a full PPR league, upside for Henry is that his offense is built around him, he has no major injury history, he scored more TDs last year than any of the guys mentioned except James Conner, even if you add their rushing and receiving TDs together. So the points he could potentially lose in the receptions he could gain back in TDs and more carries.

The only guy I'd have considered over Henry at that spot for a RB would have been James Conner.

 

I drafted JuJu because he had 166 targets last year and that was with AB in Pittsburgh so I'm hoping for that much or more this year.

I am just curious why you think 300+ carries is a realistic goal?  

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This is eerily similar to the s--- i took for “reaching” on Saquon last year ... you know, the blind homer selection of the guy who’s soft and “dances too much” according to people who didn’t actually watch him play extensively and factor in the putrid OL/0 passing game? It worked out pretty well for me last year, in several leagues. 

Derrick Henry is a f’ing monster, fully capable of leading RBs in several categories. As mentioned above, if he went JuJu/Murray in that order no one would care. 

I was probably going Kelce @ 6 if no DJ on the board, but Henry was in consideration. If you told me he was touching the ball 15-20 a game every week, that’s a top 5-10 RB, any format. 

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50 minutes ago, Boudewijn said:

That just means they're smarter than us choosing jobs, not that they actually know more.

Look, we know you're a fan and that's fine. I even see why, especially after December, that was beautiful. But we're among f̶r̶i̶e̶n̶d̶s̶ g̶e̶n̶t̶l̶e̶m̶e̶n̶ we know you, and one more article along the same lines won't really sway us. 

Let Henry do the talking. I think he'll be fine this year.

 

Everybody is a fan of somebody. That doesn't stop me from bringing the heat as far as stats and information pointing towards Henrys monster year coming up. 

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2 hours ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

Reason why I drafted Derrick Henry at 1.12

 

Jim Wyatt of the Titans' official website reports new OC Arthur Smith said he intends to "ride" contract-year RB Derrick Henry this season.

Henry turned 25 in January and is obviously coming off a monster finish to last season when he rushed for 625 yards and eight touchdowns on 97 carries (6.44 YPC) across five December contests. Smith is a complete unknown as a coordinator, but the Titans would be wise to stick with what worked down the stretch in 2018. And that was an offense centered around Henry. He's being drafted as an RB2 in fantasy. We've been through this with Henry in past offseasons, but this time it seems legit where the Titans actually want him to be their centerpiece, especially when Marcus Mariota has consistently been unable to stay healthy and/or produce on the field. Henry is playing for his next contract and should be motivated

 Where was this guy when CJ spiller needed him

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Broken selects Deshaun Watson ; BPA + Hopkins pairing

The Recency Bias Allstars (me) proudly select Allen Robinson, WR.

Lots of WR - needy teams coming up between my 5/6 turn and he is absurdly underrated this year as the #1 WR in what should be a good offense. Came off major injury into last year and still put up per game production that would lead to 900+ yards receiving, which is his absolute floor in my opinion. 

@ZidaneValor OTC 

@predator_05 on deck 

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50 minutes ago, ToO_BaD said:

I am just curious why you think 300+ carries is a realistic goal?  

 

Are you serious? I think his 6'5 and 260lbs frame has a lot to do with it.

Is there a RB in the NFL that you think has a body better suited for 300 carries than Derrick Henry? 

The OC just said that he is gonna "ride" Derrick Henry

The Titans upgraded their OLine (specifically their left side) significantly

300 carries is averaging about 19 per game. If the team is committed to him and not sharing series with Dion Lewis do you not think he will reach that number? I do.

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1 hour ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

This is eerily similar to the s--- i took for “reaching” on Saquon last year ... you know, the blind homer selection of the guy who’s soft and “dances too much” according to people who didn’t actually watch him play extensively and factor in the putrid OL/0 passing game? It worked out pretty well for me last year, in several leagues. 

Derrick Henry is a f’ing monster, fully capable of leading RBs in several categories. As mentioned above, if he went JuJu/Murray in that order no one would care. 

I was probably going Kelce @ 6 if no DJ on the board, but Henry was in consideration. If you told me he was touching the ball 15-20 a game every week, that’s a top 5-10 RB, any format. 

 

I did think this was a bit like you with Saquon in this league last year, the difference is a lot of people thought Saquon could finish as the #1 RB in ppr and was a generational talent.

 

Just to further illustrate the point, you got Saquon around 4th last year iirc, he wouldn’t have got past me at 9.   IMO, DHC is going out on a limb much more than you did (but at a later pick, so it’s not too crazy) 

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1 minute ago, Iron-cock said:

 

I did think this was a bit like you with Saquon in this league last year, the difference is a lot of people thought Saquon could finish as the #1 RB in ppr and was a generational talent.

 

Just to further illustrate the point, you got Saquon around 4th last year iirc, he wouldn’t have got past me at 9.   IMO, DHC is going out on a limb much more than you did. 

 

He took Derrick Henry over an injury prone Cook/Fournette, Conner (like him, no sure thing), a hold-out in MG with injury history, and Nick Chubb ... in the late first round after Henry was top 3 in rushing TDs the year prior in a timeshare. It’s really not that much of a limb to go out on.

I took a rookie top 5 overall ahead of David Johnson and elite WR1s ... which, at the time, was absurd in many people’s eyes. 

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12 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

Everybody is a fan of somebody. That doesn't stop me from bringing the heat as far as stats and information pointing towards Henrys monster year coming up. 

 

6 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

Are you serious? I think his 6'5 and 260lbs frame has a lot to do with it.

Is there a RB in the NFL that you think has a body better suited for 300 carries than Derrick Henry? 

The OC just said that he is gonna "ride" Derrick Henry

The Titans upgraded their OLine (specifically their left side) significantly

300 carries is averaging about 19 per game. If the team is committed to him and not sharing series with Dion Lewis do you not think he will reach that number? I do.

Well you pride yourself on stats.  He would have to take a pretty significant jump to hit 300.  Fantasy players love to cling to coach-speak.  While it may come to fruition, it is still just talk at this point.  2012 is the last time there has been more than one RB with 300+ touches.  Elliott has been the only RB to do it the last three seasons ('16 and '18, most likely would have done it '17 as well if not for the suspension).  The number two RB in attempts last season only had 261.  I mean if you think the Titans are going to 180 and buck the trend of a pass-happy league, then okay.  But I wouldn't say the "heat" is very high on that one.  I'm by no means bashing Henry, and no reason any of your other points couldn't happen.  I just think saying 300+ carries is "realistic" is a bit of a stretch.

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4 minutes ago, CyberneticGhostOfXMasPast said:

 

He took Derrick Henry over an injury prone Cook/Fournette, Conner (like him, no sure thing), a hold-out in MG with injury history, and Nick Chubb ... in the late first round after Henry was top 3 in rushing TDs the year prior in a timeshare. It’s really not that much of a limb to go out on.

I took a rookie top 5 overall ahead of David Johnson and elite WR1s ... which, at the time, was absurd in many people’s eyes. 

 

I hope Josh Jacobs can stay healthy all season like saquon did.

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1 minute ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

I hope Josh Jacobs can stay healthy all season like saquon did.

Definitely an intriguing fantasy story line this year.

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7 minutes ago, ToO_BaD said:

 

Well you pride yourself on stats.  He would have to take a pretty significant jump to hit 300.  Fantasy players love to cling to coach-speak.  While it may come to fruition, it is still just talk at this point.  2012 is the last time there has been more than one RB with 300+ touches.  Elliott has been the only RB to do it the last three seasons ('16 and '18, most likely would have done it '17 as well if not for the suspension).  The number two RB in attempts last season only had 261.  I mean if you think the Titans are going to 180 and buck the trend of a pass-happy league, then okay.  But I wouldn't say the "heat" is very high on that one.  I'm by no means bashing Henry, and no reason any of your other points couldn't happen.  I just think saying 300+ carries is "realistic" is a bit of a stretch.

 

It's interesting you brought up ezekial Elliot. 

Did you know that Henry has gained more yards and TDs than Elliot has over their last 500 NFL carries?

 

Crazy but true. Difference? Elliot has a team committed to giving him those touches in bunches. Now that Henrys team is committed to him you could see similar numbers.

 

Unless of course you think Vrabel and the Titans will conform to league norms and start becoming pass happy with Mariota and Tannehill, while bringing in an all pro run blocking LG who led the way for Gurley the last 2 seasons. I mean anything is possible I guess.

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1 minute ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

It's interesting you brought up ezekial Elliot. 

Did you know that Henry has gained more yards and TDs than Elliot has over their last 500 NFL carries?

 

Crazy but true. Differene? Elliot has a team committed to giving him those touches in bunches. Now that Henrys team is committed to him you could see similar numbers.

 

Unless of course you think Vrabel and the Titans will conform to league norms and start becoming pass happy with Mariota and Tannehill, while bringing in an all pro run blocking LG who led the way for Gurley the last 2 seasons. I mean anything is possible I guess.

 

I can only hope he doesn’t rip off any monster TD runs in preseason ... Henry/Fournette are basically locked in as my round 2 targets. It was wise passing on WR late 1 since they are all interchangeable (Julio, JuJu, Thomas all quality options) 

I probably would’ve gone Kelce/JuJu just because I think Kittle/Ertz are incredibly overrated this year while Kelce essentially is Mahomes’ #1 target ... but the Henry selection, while predictable, could pay off big time. 

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40 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

Everybody is a fan of somebody. That doesn't stop me from bringing the heat as far as stats and information pointing towards Henrys monster year coming up. 

...he said for the 4th straight year...

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The problem is, even if you're right this time, you still won't get any credit because you've been wrong the last 3 years in a row.  Doubling down repeatedly until you finally get it right doesn't make you look smart in fantasy football.  The casino, on the other hand, well that's why they have betting limits.  In this game, finally getting 1 call right after all this time, will sadly do nothing to help your credibility.

 

You can pretend last year was a good year for Henry, and maybe in real football it was, but in fantasy anyone who invest in him regretted it.  2 Bryce Brown weeks doesn't makeup for 8 weeks of WW fodder (7 points or less in full PPR) and 5 weeks of RB2 numbers, nor does it magically add up to RB1 (in my eyes).

Can he be an RB1?  Absolutely.  I like Henry, I overpaid to move up in Dynasty and draft him when he came out, yadda yadda yadda.

I think he has the talent, size, and situation to make it happen... But he hasn't made it happen and his continued failures speak louder to me than his flashes of greatness (which he has absolutely had).

So, I have no problem with you projecting him as an RB1, I think taking him where you did was a little silly, but understandable, I also agree about the names around him further justifying a higher investment, and lastly fully support going out and getting the guy you love.  But long story short, even if he finishes top 5 this year, you'll never get to say 'I told you so' to anyone on Derrick Henry because of how many times you've whiffed already.  The reality is that anyone just now looking at Henry has made a better choice than you for 3 years, on a player you should know better than anyone.

Henry is too bi-polar for my tastes.  Until proven otherwise, I won't be taking any leaps of faith.  I completely agree that investing before it happens is how you obtain value in fantasy football, so had you got him at a value I would concede that point. However you've paid nearly ceiling prices and there is nothing to gain for you.  Your best outcome is to break even, which is perfectly fine, breaking even early is great in my opinion, it's just not soap box worthy.

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2 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

 

It's interesting you brought up ezekial Elliot. 

Did you know that Henry has gained more yards and TDs than Elliot has over their last 500 NFL carries?

 

Crazy but true. Difference? Elliot has a team committed to giving him those touches in bunches. Now that Henrys team is committed to him you could see similar numbers.

 

Unless of course you think Vrabel and the Titans will conform to league norms and start becoming pass happy with Mariota and Tannehill, while bringing in an all pro run blocking LG who led the way for Gurley the last 2 seasons. I mean anything is possible I guess.

I don't think they will necessarily go pass-happy with the limitations of those two QBs, but they did draft A.J. Brown, 81 more rushes is quite a bit, and Dion Lewis is still there.  I can't imagine he will just disappear.  Team rushing attempts have continued to trend downward, but maybe the Titans will buck the trend.

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With the 63rd Pick in the 2019 Rotoworld Mock Real League, Zidane Valor selects:

Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Arizona Cardinals
Zidane's 2019 Ranking:
14th WR, 37th Overall

2018 Statistics
69 receptions, 734 receiving yards (10.6 YPR), 6 TDs
143.9 fantasy points

2019 Projection
104 receptions, 1102 receiving yards (10.6 YPR), 6 TDs
198.2 fantasy points

Let's all pretend the 2018 season never happened in Arizona.  Agreed?

Previous years before that: 109-1215-9, 107-1023-6, 109-1156-6.

Signed to a 1 year deal and with a MUCH better QB and offensive system, I think Fitzgerald has one more year of "old man strength" left in him.

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1 minute ago, ZidaneValor said:

With the 63rd Pick in the 2019 Rotoworld Mock Real League, Zidane Valor selects:

Larry Fitzgerald, WR, Arizona Cardinals
Zidane's 2019 Ranking:
14th WR, 37th Overall

2018 Statistics
69 receptions, 734 receiving yards (10.6 YPR), 6 TDs
143.9 fantasy points

2019 Projection
104 receptions, 1102 receiving yards (10.6 YPR), 6 TDs
198.2 fantasy points

Let's all pretend the 2018 season never happened in Arizona.  Agreed?

Previous years before that: 109-1215-9, 107-1023-6, 109-1156-6.

Signed to a 1 year deal and with a MUCH better QB and offensive system, I think Fitzgerald has one more year of "old man strength" left in him.

I like the pick.  Could definitely have a nice bounce-back year with a better QB and friendly system.

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If anyone needs to leave me picks feel free.  I will be checking pretty consistently while at work.

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29 minutes ago, DerrickHenrysCleats said:

It's interesting you brought up ezekial Elliot. 

Did you know that Henry has gained more yards and TDs than Elliot has over their last 500 NFL carries?

 

Crazy but true. Difference?


The difference is one of them did it in 21 less NFL games.
The difference is that one of them also catches the ball, for an extra 500 yards on 64 catches, or 82 more .5ppr fantasy points.
The difference is one of them averages more than double the fantasy points per game of the other.

This is why you get trolled.  Not for liking DH, but for posting things like this.

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