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On 6/15/2019 at 12:47 AM, killa3312 said:

 

My thoughts exactly. A 65 rating is a very good, all-star caliber hitter but Franco has the potential to be so much more than just that. A 65 just seems to be selling him short.

Forward Value is not the ceiling—it accounts for risk. He obviously has “the potential to be much more,” but given that maybe there is only say a 25% likelihood he gets there every season in the bigs, that 65 seems reasonable. 

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3 hours ago, BigPapi2004 said:

Forward Value is not the ceiling—it accounts for risk. He obviously has “the potential to be much more,” but given that maybe there is only say a 25% likelihood he gets there every season in the bigs, that 65 seems reasonable. 

 

If it were ceiling it would be an 80 hit tool. Period.

 

We are simply saying we think it should be over a 65 FV given the eye test and production to date.

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Tony Gwynn is an 80 hit tool, there is not a single prospect in the game with that type of ceiling in that particular tool. It's the single rarest full 80 tool. 65 is very high for a power hitter.

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On 6/14/2019 at 10:35 AM, The Big Bat Theory said:

Why?  What "fans" look at this stuff other than "fan"tasy players?  Do they think Non-Fantasy Playing Joe Six Pack finishes mowing the lawn and then kicks back and reads their site for s--- and giggles?  Or "real" GM's get up every morning and look for inspiration from them?  Why would anyone ever go to their site at all unless they were under the belief it is a site to help them in "fan"tasy baseball? ... I am not a "fan" of this site.

 

Better yet, it probably just makes sense for you to send fangraphs your league's categories so they can tailor their site and its rankings directly to those, which are no doubt the one true and ideal way to judge baseball player's value! 

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13 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

Tony Gwynn is an 80 hit tool, there is not a single prospect in the game with that type of ceiling in that particular tool. It's the single rarest full 80 tool. 65 is very high for a power hitter.

 

Wander Franco absolutely has an 80 grade hit ceiling. Saying otherwise makes you lose a lot of credibility. 

 

Put his current value at whatever you like. Put your predicted value at whatever you’d like. But considering Wander Franco is having one of the best starts to a professional baseball career ever (in terms of things that are considered in evaluating a hit tool), capping his ceiling is hilarious when you consider what ceiling means.

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On 6/17/2019 at 10:02 AM, The Big Bat Theory said:

One lone board online?  I rest my case.   

You are way off.

People follow baseball.  They want to know who are the best future players.  Not who is going to be one dimensional player who may help in a few fantasy categories.  Finding lists that are EXCLUSIVELY targeting fantasy baseball prospects doesn't really exist.  All the major ones - BA, BP, Fangraphs, MLBpipeline, etc, etc, etc, are ALL based on actual baseball value.

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4 minutes ago, The Man said:

You are way off.

People follow baseball.  They want to know who are the best future players.  Not who is going to be one dimensional player who may help in a few fantasy categories.  Finding lists that are EXCLUSIVELY targeting fantasy baseball prospects doesn't really exist.  All the major ones - BA, BP, Fangraphs, MLBpipeline, etc, etc, etc, are ALL based on actual baseball value.

Actually yes they do.  If you go the the minor league forum here you will find listings for some very good sites that rank prospects with fantasy baseball in mind.  This is the future for ranking systems online.  They know 9 out of 10 people looking at rankings play fantasy ball.  Also I don't like Fangraphs for more than the one reason.

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2 hours ago, The Man said:

You are way off.

People follow baseball.  They want to know who are the best future players.  Not who is going to be one dimensional player who may help in a few fantasy categories.  Finding lists that are EXCLUSIVELY targeting fantasy baseball prospects doesn't really exist.  All the major ones - BA, BP, Fangraphs, MLBpipeline, etc, etc, etc, are ALL based on actual baseball value.

 

MLBpipeline is the league itself. They are about keeping the fans interested so that they keep on buying Tickets to the game and the $10 Beers. They don't have too make money from the MLBpipeline site per say because it's changing you to watch the games is where they make there money. So them being targeted on actual baseball value is perfectly understandable.

The others like BA or BP they don't have that. They have to make a buck. There is no one that cure enough to pay for information on Actual Baseball value and simply they got to know they can't be like that and they will be gone in a short time being focused on that. They know it's the fantasy player that pays there bills and they know your not going to keep paying if you think your not getting an advantage from it.

So it is true with MLBpipeline but it can't be true with all the others ones.

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4 hours ago, The Man said:

You are way off.

People follow baseball.  They want to know who are the best future players.  Not who is going to be one dimensional player who may help in a few fantasy categories.  Finding lists that are EXCLUSIVELY targeting fantasy baseball prospects doesn't really exist.  All the major ones - BA, BP, Fangraphs, MLBpipeline, etc, etc, etc, are ALL based on actual baseball value.

 

"Finding lists that are exclusively targeting fantasy baseball prospects doesn't really exist".

 

Huh? That's not true.

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1 hour ago, Fantasy Monk said:

There is no one that cure enough to pay for information on Actual Baseball value and simply they got to know they can't be like that and they will be gone in a short time being focused on that.

Really? Most people on this forum scoff if you say they should pay for content. Most of these writers probably want to impress a team and get hired away from writing; I doubt they see fantasy baseball analysis as the industry that will feed their children.

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Maybe this discussion will follow the wander hit-tool sidebar into the abyss..

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1 hour ago, osb_tensor said:

Maybe this discussion will follow the wander hit-tool sidebar into the abyss..

 

There have been much worse tangents than that one. 

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1 hour ago, Hanghow said:

Really? Most people on this forum scoff if you say they should pay for content. Most of these writers probably want to impress a team and get hired away from writing; I doubt they see fantasy baseball analysis as the industry that will feed their children.

 

I'm not saying you or anyone else should pay for content but I would say what is available for free likely would not be as good if there wasn't someone playing. That's a valid point you have there. Allot of them are hoping that someone from a team is impress and hire them away and some manage to do that but they still have to be really good fantasy Baseball analysis to pull that off for if they don't impress the people that are paying then they have no chance to impress any team.

But I do agree you shouldn't have to pay and allot of stuff available for paying likely isn't worth it but the fact is there are people that do pay and the writing is done by someone who wants to get paid and where you stand on it don't mather. It's a fact that is there and it's more then fair to discuss the impact it has. It has an upside of it gets you better writing but on the down side you can get some writers that will play to some of the bias that you have. Javier Baez was a top 20 keeper in the preseason ranking but he hasn't had a stolen Base in 2 1/2 Months and the fact is without his Stolen Bases he's not a Top 20 Keeper. With that he's Top 50 at best. He's a power hitter and there still value that. If they put out a keeper ranking today and they put him at 58 and say he's not stealing bases anymore that could come off as believable. Baez was a player that allot of them fantasy baseball analysis write up as one that could be a bust that you should high on. So they saw that one coming but if they would of ranked him that low you wouldn't believe anything they say because of your bias says he should be better then that. Well Bias is a big thing. Taking about impressing a team and getting out of writing. It comes down to getting past that bias they have and ranking Baez at 58 but you don't see it too offer because those Ranking are from someone who isn't going to get hired away.

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16 minutes ago, brockpapersizer said:

 

There have been much worse tangents than that one. 

 

Yup. What a weird thing for people to complain about.

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