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Zion Williamson 2019-2020 Outlook

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Great talent but man that Bulls defense looked awful.

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As a owner of zion a few things are scaring me. 

1. should have non existant 3s this year. His shot form is really bad. I think .4 3s at best.

2. Ft % will be bad. Again his shooting is just really broken. (can be fixed but not this year)

3. And his block potential is lower then advertised. I was in the impression that his blocks/steals will keep his value high even if his 3 is non existent. But I dont really see him going for much blocks at all and with him being shorter then expected at 6'6 i think that trend will continue to regular season.

 

Lets say his avg is at best something like 22/9/3 with 1.7 steals and .7 blocks/.4 3s. Bad ft%. How would this be ranked? top 40?

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2 hours ago, a-rob said:

Well said, the dude is amazing and hard to find someone like him. My main issue with him is his INSANE ADP!! In my drafts (re-drafts), he has been picked as early as late round 2, and latest early round 4. With so many safer options available, no chance I am picking him. I would consider him round 5, but I he will never slide down that far.

He will be great for FG% and Points steals, but his FT% is bad, he will not give you 3s too. Hard to see how he can live up to his current ADP.

In dynasty drafts, i have no problems going with Zion in round 2 if you want to roll the dice since people will definitely reach for him

 

In one of my dynasty drafts he went in the first round. Haha. 

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12 minutes ago, j3rkthenurk said:

 

In one of my dynasty drafts he went in the first round. Haha. 

This is not crazy at all since it is dynasty. Unless you mean he went top5 or something.

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1 hour ago, RipCity0 said:

This is not crazy at all since it is dynasty. Unless you mean he went top5 or something.

7th. I still think its a bit far fetched since he hasn't played a NBA game yet. Would rather go for Doncic if I was drafting really young.

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5 hours ago, j3rkthenurk said:

7th. I still think its a bit far fetched since he hasn't played a NBA game yet. Would rather go for Doncic if I was drafting really young.

 

I agree. Especially since he doesn't have a complete skillset yet.

 

I can see the appeal of having a generational talent to build your team with, but I saw the same thing with Ben Simmons being picked in the 1st round because he projected as LeBron-lite, and I don't think that's really panned out as a T12 pick. He's still got plenty of time but not every generational talent becomes AD, especially with holes in their game like FT% and a lack of a jumpshot. 

But to be fair now that I really think on it.. it's tough for me to come up with more than 6 guys under 26 years old I'd rather have than Zion. I'd take AD even though he's 26, then Towns, Giannis, Jokic, probably Embiid, Doncic.. but after that in terms of younger guys I can see taking Zion. You could argue Fox, Ayton, Collins, Booker, Simmons, and DMitch, but I wouldn't say any of them have a higher upside than Zion necessarily. 

So MAYBE if your criteria was picking guys 26 and under to start your team with I can see Zion at 7. But still feels too expensive for me. 

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2 minutes ago, s-kayos said:

 

I agree. Especially since he doesn't have a complete skillset yet.

 

I can see the appeal of having a generational talent to build your team with, but I saw the same thing with Ben Simmons being picked in the 1st round because he projected as LeBron-lite, and I don't think that's really panned out as a T12 pick. He's still got plenty of time but not every generational talent becomes AD, especially with holes in their game like FT% and a lack of a jumpshot. 

But to be fair now that I really think on it.. it's tough for me to come up with more than 6 guys under 26 years old I'd rather have than Zion. I'd take AD even though he's 26, then Towns, Giannis, Jokic, probably Embiid, Doncic.. but after that in terms of younger guys I can see taking Zion. You could argue Fox, Ayton, Collins, Booker, Simmons, and DMitch, but I wouldn't say any of them have a higher upside than Zion necessarily. 

So MAYBE if your criteria was picking guys 26 and under to start your team with I can see Zion at 7. But still feels too expensive for me. 

 

You forgot my boy Trey Young !

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3 minutes ago, j3rkthenurk said:

 

You forgot my boy Trey Young !

 

Truth, I missed him. But yeah I'd just throw him on that list with the rest, I can see the argument for Zion over all of those young guys but maybe Trae comes the closest to me

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Especially in points leagues he will be a stud. Too bad I got the first pick in my 14 Team league, no way he will be still around at the 28/29th pick turn ... 

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I have 10th and 15th pick at standard league, but also I have to give up, because it is too early for Zion.

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All that talk about his skillset and if this is gonna translate against NBA bigs. He is scoring with ease and the fact that Pelicans play at an extremely high pace can only help. Whoever was high on him i don't think could expect more than he has done in the first 3 "real" games of his career.

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4 hours ago, apatas said:

I have 10th and 15th pick at standard league, but also I have to give up, because it is too early for Zion.

lol who said that

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16 minutes ago, pdids911 said:

lol who said that

I said. It is redraft league, not dynasty.

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13 minutes ago, apatas said:

I said. It is redraft league, not dynasty.

so what? im considering at 15...

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On 10/9/2019 at 10:33 PM, pdids911 said:

is 15 too high to chose zion in a 12 man, h2h, 9 cat, punt assist? cuz im highly considering it

I'm at 16 thinking legitimately thinking about it as well.

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I swear at least one of you is hyping up ironically hoping your league mates read this and reach for him lmao.

I'm all over him if he's there in the 3rd. I have an early second round pick so I can't make myself take him in the 15-20 range. It will be a lot of fun owning him but it's kind of fun winning too lol.

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10 minutes ago, Saltgurkan15 said:

I swear at least one of you is hyping up ironically hoping your league mates read this and reach for him lmao.

I'm all over him if he's there in the 3rd. I have an early second round pick so I can't make myself take him in the 15-20 range. It will be a lot of fun owning him but it's kind of fun winning too lol.

As I said, the same here: I have 15th pick which is too early, but next (34th) is too late. Third round is OK to draft Zion.

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I’m hyping him up because in Preseason he is 25 (3rd round pick) with 66 FT% and 2 TO’s per game with all his glorious other stats. Once the season starts an plays out, he will probably be down to low 5th 6/th 7 round with those stats because. TO’s will probably get a little higher now playing fully against starters, in the 3 preseason games he offered (0) blocks! and his free throw percentage will probably remain the same and points may go down. So I’m essence, people are drafting him 3rd round for a guy who might barely crack 6th round.

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11 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

I’m hyping him up because in Preseason he is 25 (3rd round pick) with 66 FT% and 2 TO’s per game with all his glorious other stats. Once the season starts an plays out, he will probably be down to low 5th 6/th 7 round with those stats because. TO’s will probably get a little higher now playing fully against starters, in the 3 preseason games he offered (0) blocks! and his free throw percentage will probably remain the same and points may go down. So I’m essence, people are drafting him 3rd round for a guy who might barely crack 6th round.

I should have prefaced my post with that it's H2H. With the 10th and 15th pick I'll almost definitely have one of Gobert or Drummond and punting FTs, hence why I'll gladly take Zion as my third pick. Rather grab him and swing for the fences a bit than to draft Capela (who's really popular in that spot and scenario), seeing as Zion has a great chance at giving more stocks with fewer rebounds. Both will suck at 3's.


I'm pretty sure the other guys in the thread considering him are in a similar position as I am. I don't think anyone is taking him in the third in a shallow ROTO league.

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9 minutes ago, Saltgurkan15 said:

I should have prefaced my post with that it's H2H. With the 10th and 15th pick I'll almost definitely have one of Gobert or Drummond and punting FTs, hence why I'll gladly take Zion as my third pick. Rather grab him and swing for the fences a bit than to draft Capela (who's really popular in that spot and scenario), seeing as Zion has a great chance at giving more stocks with fewer rebounds. Both will suck at 3's.


I'm pretty sure the other guys in the thread considering him are in a similar position as I am. I don't think anyone is taking him in the third in a shallow ROTO league.

In two Roto leagues, Zion has went early 3rd and Early 4th. I’ll see what happens tonight.

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