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2 hours ago, RedRaider27 said:

There is no market for him at the moment. Sounds like he will have to sign another 1 year "prove it" deal. He didn't look that good to me honestly. Looks slow, he doesn't look the same. Could still be getting back in shape and recovering. He's a good bet for someone if they get him on a cheap deal. But I don't blame any GM for not wanting to give this guy a big deal long term.

I hear this, but I think Cousins' performance was very interesting. At the right price, I would bet on him.

Here's my logic.

He came back slowly from the Achilles, but was doing alright before he went down with the quad. He was trending well. In 15 games in March/April, he was at about 18/9/1.8 blks. Strong, with some flashes of his former self.

Then he goes down with a quad tear, then we see him again with no conditioning in the playoffs. 

This could be a great 1-2 year rental, who is better than his price. Perfect for the Lakers, imho. 😉 

 

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16 minutes ago, hornrimmed_rambis said:

I hear this, but I think Cousins' performance was very interesting. At the right price, I would bet on him.

Here's my logic.

He came back slowly from the Achilles, but was doing alright before he went down with the quad. He was trending well. In 15 games in March/April, he was at about 18/9/1.8 blks. Strong, with some flashes of his former self.

Then he goes down with a quad tear, then we see him again with no conditioning in the playoffs. 

This could be a great 1-2 year rental, who is better than his price. Perfect for the Lakers, imho. 😉 

 

Yeah, not really getting the logic in this forum. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Cousins "didn't look that good". He had an Achilles, you should've expected him to not be at 100% during playoffs. Sign him. You don't know what you're going to get. It could very well be 90% of the old Cousins, and if you get that for a MLE, you've got one of the best non rookie or max contracts in the NBA.

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7 minutes ago, miasma16 said:

Yeah, not really getting the logic in this forum. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Cousins "didn't look that good". He had an Achilles, you should've expected him to not be at 100% during playoffs. Sign him. You don't know what you're going to get. It could very well be 90% of the old Cousins, and if you get that for a MLE, you've got one of the best non rookie or max contracts in the NBA.

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every player in need of help should go to the Spurs and learn something from Pop before he retires. Cousins would be a great reclamation project

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1 hour ago, n3gative said:

every player in need of help should go to the Spurs and learn something from Pop before he retires. Cousins would be a great reclamation project

 

Learn what? To behave? 

Pop does an excellent job maximizing his team's potential. But I don't see many, if any, examples of Pop maximizing individual talents. Derozan, Aldridge, Leonard, SJax are some examples of players who played for the Spurs and all had better numbers(more impact) on other teams. 

As mentioned, above, Cousins is status/post achilles and quad tear, at age 29, at 6/11 270. History isn't in his favor for (achilles and his size). I was surprised with how well he played, considering both injuries. Defensively, he's going to be a massive liability going forward. Durability concerns are valid and real. He will latch on somewhere, but it's no surprise he's getting no real offers. 

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People love talking about how such and such would benefit from being on the Spurs. Pretty much anyone would benefit from being on the Spurs. The reality is that the Spurs don't sign guys with personality issues like those of Cousins very often, if at all. Guys that think they're bigger than the team would compromise the entire system that Pop has built. Cousins to the Spurs seems like an almost entirely arbitrary talking point.

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19 hours ago, tremixt said:

 

Learn what? To behave? 

Pop does an excellent job maximizing his team's potential. But I don't see many, if any, examples of Pop maximizing individual talents. Derozan, Aldridge, Leonard, SJax are some examples of players who played for the Spurs and all had better numbers(more impact) on other teams. 

As mentioned, above, Cousins is status/post achilles and quad tear, at age 29, at 6/11 270. History isn't in his favor for (achilles and his size). I was surprised with how well he played, considering both injuries. Defensively, he's going to be a massive liability going forward. Durability concerns are valid and real. He will latch on somewhere, but it's no surprise he's getting no real offers. 

 

With his injury he's likely never going to be the same player he was so yes there's plenty he could learn in San Antonio if he's up for it.

Behave, adapt his game, grow up, stop being a diva, become a team player...plenty of things to learn other then just focusing on selfishly putting up better numbers as you stated. It's not always about maximizing individual talent, especially at this stage of his career. If he wants to survive in the league he's going to have to alter his game and learn how to fit into a team and embrace a new role or he'll go down the Melo route very quickly.

 

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I know it’s the fourth so no need to start now.  And presumably we are waiting for some free agents, but none of them are projected to go top 5.  Can we kick this thing off tomorrow?

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22 hours ago, tremixt said:

Pop does an excellent job maximizing his team's potential. But I don't see many, if any, examples of Pop maximizing individual talents. Derozan, Aldridge, Leonard, SJax are some examples of players who played for the Spurs and all had better numbers(more impact) on other teams. 

Numbers are important, but they are not everything that counts in the game. And one can easily argue the opposite.  There are many others who put better numbers playing for Pop than somewhere else. 

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2 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

I know it’s the fourth so no need to start now.  And presumably we are waiting for some free agents, but none of them are projected to go top 5.  Can we kick this thing off tomorrow?

We're really just waiting for Kawhi at this point. We can start as soon as he announces his decision. 

 

And also for Superjew to return to civilization tomorrow. 

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Trier's dunk caused the earthquake!

Also, fyi, Zion looks fat. And was taken out prior to the shutdown due to being fat.

 

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Kawhi & Paul George on the Clippers. Steve Ballmer And Jerry West..... Thank You!

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2 hours ago, hornrimmed_rambis said:

 

Trier's dunk caused the earthquake!

Also, fyi, Zion looks fat. And was taken out prior to the shutdown due to being fat.

 

lol Zion’s always been fat. You’re just now noticing? 

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Toronto lose Kawhi, OKC loses Paul George. At least OKC gets SGA, Gallinari and 6+ picks for him. 

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Just now, Auction>Snake said:

Westbrook trade a possiblity? 

Who wants that ugly contract?

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4 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

Who wants that ugly contract?

 

Lol knicks are pretty desperate 

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40 minutes ago, RedDogNamedClippers said:

Who wants that ugly contract?

Uh I'm sure a lot of people want Westbrook, and they may be able to sell Gallinari soon. OKC did very well. 

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In the end (and this is just me speculating but it kinda fits), I believe that Kawhi was always set on going to the Clippers, but like a great poker player, he never revealed his cards, nor tipped his intentions. If you think about it makes perfect sense. Championship or not, staying in Toronto would had meant that Pop had dictated his future for him, and he wasn't going to allow that. Going to the Lakers and play second or third fiddle to Lebron and AD after he'd been a successful alpha dog elsewhere was just not going to happen, yet he did wanted to go back to his LA roots. The Clippers were a playoff team with no stars, and have a great bench, and role players, much like the Raptors had. It was the perfect situation, but it needed the finishing touch. Enter the Paul George trade!  Now, I don't know the extent of Kawhi's involvement here, but bringing another LA native superstar with him is a stroke of genius.

 The Clippers are without a doubt in my mind, the team to beat now. I tip my hat to Jerry West and Kawhi Leonard!

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59 minutes ago, Ajax said:

In the end (and this is just me speculating but it kinda fits), I believe that Kawhi was always set on going to the Clippers, but like a great poker player, he never revealed his cards, nor tipped his intentions. If you think about it makes perfect sense. Championship or not, staying in Toronto would had meant that Pop had dictated his future for him, and he wasn't going to allow that. Going to the Lakers and play second or third fiddle to Lebron and AD after he'd been a successful alpha dog elsewhere was just not going to happen, yet he did wanted to go back to his LA roots. The Clippers were a playoff team with no stars, and have a great bench, and role players, much like the Raptors had. It was the perfect situation, but it needed the finishing touch. Enter the Paul George trade!  Now, I don't know the extent of Kawhi's involvement here, but bringing another LA native superstar with him is a stroke of genius.

 The Clippers are without a doubt in my mind, the team to beat now. I tip my hat to Jerry West and Kawhi Leonard!

GOAT will crush him, this ain't the Spurs system. 

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23 minutes ago, Auction>Snake said:

GOAT will crush him, this ain't the Spurs system. 

 

Brilliant analysis!  🙄

 

I'm confused...were the Raptors the Spurs system too? 🤔

 

 Is that the same GOAT that missed the playoffs last year?  

 

Lakers will be better than last year with AD, but don't let those fanboy blinders trick you. Lakers are not the best team in LA. 

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3 hours ago, Auction>Snake said:

GOAT will crush him

Jordan has long since retired as a player, and isn't a very good GM, so I doubt it.

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21 minutes ago, Pyschout said:

Jordan has long since retired as a player, and isn't a very good GM, so I doubt it.

MJ's 1st 3 peat. Lakers had Magic with aids and no Kareem. Drexler by himself lol. Then Barkley, and Kevin Johnson lol. 1995 Eatsern Conference Finals MJ choked on a key play in Game 6 and lost to Shaq and Penny 6-0 my a**. Oh MJ was rusty right? He dropped two 50 point games prior to that series. They desperately needed Rodman's help. 
Rodman's offensive rebounding won the following 1996 series, most long time Bulls fans agree.
Jordan not only shot terribly from the field, he was absolute s--- in the fourth quarters too (shot 33.3% in them, and only 15.4% in the fourth quarters of the three close games). In the two close wins of the series, Rodman averaged 11 offensive rebounds/game. He was setting records, and when MJ was shooting the team out of the game with bricks (rest of the team struggled shooting wise too), it was Rodman getting all those rebounds to give Bulls the extra possessions. Bulls as a team shot much lower than Sonics in that series...why do you think they still won? They got 34 more possessions from offensive rebounds (Rodman alone had 41!). MJ's scoring could have been replaced in that series, but Rodman's historic offensive rebounding? Not so much.
Rodman should have been the MVP of that Finals. The Bulls shot much worse from the field than the Sonics in the Finals but still won. How did that happen? Simple. The Bulls got more shot opportunities from offensive rebounds basically negating many of their misses. Rodman, by himself, secured and additional 41 possessions for the Bulls with his offensive rebounding including 2 games where he tied an NBA Finals record. That's like playing H-O-R-S-E and someone giving you multiple "do overs" after you've missed.
Jordan didn't have to contend with a generation behind him - go look at the drafts from '86-'95; there was very little top-end talent entering the league and a good number of 'em were on the Bulls. 

Payton was injured in the NBA Finals in 1996. Horace Grant was also very underappreciated as a Bull, a key in the Magic beating the Bulls in '95, and injured in Game 1 in '96. Also, while people give Jordan credit for the titles he didn't win because he quit on his team (twice), they also don't factor in the extra wear and tear those years would've put on him in the later years, probably costing him a couple titles on the back end. 

He also didn't have to exist in a social media world - he was prickly with the media and always felt maligned, even by the mostly flattering "The Jordan Rules" - imagine him exposed to the comments and 24-hour sports news cycle of today. He's a notoriously terrible talent evaluator - imagine if the Bulls had felt compelled to pick the players he wanted. We all know he didn't want Scottie Pippen; imagine if he had to play GM and coach and SG. Or if the Bulls weren't able to lock Scottie Pippen into a now-impossible ridiculously low contract. Jordan has a grand total of 1 playoff  GAME win without Pippen. Jordan also played in a watered-down league as the NBA expanded from 23 teams to 30, and the West was the deeper conference back then.

So basically when Jordan was winding down his prime, all his competition was ALSO winding down theirs, and most were even older than he was. LeBron, meanwhile, has had to play his last two Finals against TWO league MVPs in their prime that partnered up while his "superstar" teammates are both guys who have won a total of zero playoff games without him.
LBJ's a pass first player. 10k+ assists 10k+ boards 30k+ points will NEVER be done again. LBJ GOAT no question. Bigger, stronger, faster. Rings are a team achievement, not an individual accomplishment. Facts. Keep hating. 
 

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