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2019 July Closer Thread

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2 hours ago, professorbaseball said:

Is Gant dead or something?

Wondering that myself. Hmmmm

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yates in some trouble to no fault of his own....

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I almost posted something about this the other day and thought better of it, however, with Jimenez getting pulverized again tonight but with basically no other competition for the closer job when Greene gets dealt -- is there any way that the corpse of Trevor Rosenthal finds a path to saves in Detroit? I know its far-fetched but Jimenez is just god awful.

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8 minutes ago, JameisofThrones said:

I almost posted something about this the other day and thought better of it, however, with Jimenez getting pulverized again tonight but with basically no other competition for the closer job when Greene gets dealt -- is there any way that the corpse of Trevor Rosenthal finds a path to saves in Detroit? I know its far-fetched but Jimenez is just god awful.

 

Doesnt rosenthal suck too?

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8 minutes ago, kidtwentytwo said:

 

Doesnt rosenthal suck too?

 

True. It's an idea more born of the frustration that there seems to be absolutely no other option for a gig that is ripe for the taking. Rosenthal has a fresh slate and did throw a scoreless inning in his Tigers debut (although I guess he was still kind of all over the place). If Jimenez continues to blow and Rosenthal strings together some good appearances, maybe they throw their hands up and say, screw it, let's see what can do. Still throws triple digits. Probably a pipe dream, but Jimenez getting on my nerves.

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Anything can happen.  Maybe they see something in rosenthal they think they can fix? 

 

If Greene is dealt tomorrow, Jimenez or Farmer are probably closing.  It’s not going to be pretty 

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13 hours ago, Cmilne23 said:

Hansel is so hot right now though.  Only one run allowed since June 1st.  Let’s show him some love.

As someone who watched Hansel stink it up on the Mets, I’m utterly shocked that he’s been this good. 

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Is Hunter Strickland the reliever to stash? I just feel like Elias is too valuable as a lefty specialist. Idk

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1 hour ago, kidtwentytwo said:

Anything can happen.  Maybe they see something in rosenthal they think they can fix?

If Greene is dealt tomorrow, Jimenez or Farmer are probably closing.  It’s not going to be pretty 

Yeah I think speculating on Tigers closers post-Greene isn't the best idea. Detroit is a bad team that's going to get worse at the deadline. Save opportunities will be few and far between, but ratio damage will be regular.

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58 minutes ago, Yourbettstulo said:

As someone who watched Hansel stink it up on the Mets, I’m utterly shocked that he’s been this good. 

 

Outside of Chapman he has the best command of any pitcher I have seen that throws 100 mph.  He doesn't even really have another swing and miss pitch.  His slider is more of a changeup that gets batters in front.  Little movement.  When his velocity drops in a year or two he might have issues.  For now he is a fine reliever.

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1 hour ago, Yourbettstulo said:

As someone who watched Hansel stink it up on the Mets, I’m utterly shocked that he’s been this good. 

Agreed.  I sold him shortly after taking over thinking he’d turn into a pumpkin.  I was wrong on that one.  Relievers are so fickle year to year it’s ridiculous.

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Anyone else concerned about Neris? His ERA is over 4 and he has allowed runs 3/4 appearances...including 2 blown saves

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4 hours ago, JameisofThrones said:

I almost posted something about this the other day and thought better of it, however, with Jimenez getting pulverized again tonight but with basically no other competition for the closer job when Greene gets dealt -- is there any way that the corpse of Trevor Rosenthal finds a path to saves in Detroit? I know its far-fetched but Jimenez is just god awful.

 

I've been thinking the same. 

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8 hours ago, Yourbettstulo said:

Is Hunter Strickland the reliever to stash? I just feel like Elias is too valuable as a lefty specialist. Idk

 

"too valuable" aren't words I'd expect to see in the same sentence as Roenis Elias. But I wouldn't be surprised at all if Strickland got the job back once he finally returns.

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If you have a free DL spot then sure stash Strickland but I don't think he's going to be anyone's savior. A) It's Hunter Strickland who is pretty average when healthy. B )I'm guessing they'll be somewhat cautious with him. Assuming he's back around August 1st we'll be talking a 4 month absence here so I doubt they'll just throw him into the fire. I think he'll get a few low leverage situations and if all goes well, regain the closer role (or at least a share).   So after rostering him for a couple weeks and hoping all goes well maybe you get 1-1.5 months of Hunter Strickland in the closer role if everything break right ? 

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1 hour ago, fletch44 said:

If you have a free DL spot then sure stash Strickland but I don't think he's going to be anyone's savior. A) It's Hunter Strickland who is pretty average when healthy. B )I'm guessing they'll be somewhat cautious with him. Assuming he's back around August 1st we'll be talking a 4 month absence here so I doubt they'll just throw him into the fire. I think he'll get a few low leverage situations and if all goes well, regain the closer role (or at least a share).   So after rostering him for a couple weeks and hoping all goes well maybe you get 1-1.5 months of Hunter Strickland in the closer role if everything break right ? 

 

That is a strategy a lot of fantasy owners use.  Then move onto the next closer.

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Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said Kenley Jansen (ankle) should be available on Thursday against the Phillies.

Jansen suffered a bruised right ankle when he got struck by a comebacker in the ninth inning Tuesday night against the Phillies. He stayed in the game and blew a save in ugly fashion, before later acknowledging that he probably should have been pulled. It's clearly not a serious injury, though.

 

 

Hope nobody wasted an add or dropped anyone of possible use, as i was advising haha

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Granted it is the minor leagues, but Eovaldi throwing heat like a closer today. 

Here's hoping that it is still the Red Sox intentions to put him in that role.  Given their struggles in the bullpen, a quicker path to utilizing him in their pitching, and even his openness to take on whatever role is asked of him, I think the signs look promising. 

With the success of the team and this far out in the season, this is a great potential pickup/stash if you need a closer compared to all other options. 

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Why would Eovaldi get the closer job? Hes been mediocre his entire career and injury prone while Workman has been really good this year.

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Mediocre starters frequently become shutdown closers.  Workman is doing well, but the Sox have a lot more money committed to Eovaldi, and I'm sure they'd rather keep both than have to overpay Workman if he adds a bunch of saves to his resume.  Workman in the high leverage fireman role to get a handful of saves and Eovaldi getting a bulk of the 9th inning save-getting work is probably what they're aiming for.

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8 minutes ago, sjs1890 said:

Why would Eovaldi get the closer job? Hes been mediocre his entire career and injury prone while Workman has been really good this year.

 

1. he's injury prone, this is good way to limit his innings

2. he pumps 100 and velo typically rises in the bullpen

3. he was great out of the pen in the playoffs

4. despite workman pitching well, the rest of their bullpen has been bad

5. if eovaldi is good they can limit him to the 9th inning while workman can work 1-2 in relief

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3 minutes ago, tonycpsu said:

Mediocre starters frequently become shutdown closers.  Workman is doing well, but the Sox have a lot more money committed to Eovaldi, and I'm sure they'd rather keep both than have to overpay Workman if he adds a bunch of saves to his resume.  Workman in the high leverage fireman role to get a handful of saves and Eovaldi getting a bulk of the 9th inning save-getting work is probably what they're aiming for.

Mediocre starters frequently become shutdown closers? like who? Kennedy and CMart are alright but just seems weird trying to tinker with your late innings while being in a playoff hunt. Workman has been the 5th ranked reliever in the league for what its worth.

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12 minutes ago, sjs1890 said:

Mediocre starters frequently become shutdown closers? like who? Kennedy and CMart are alright but just seems weird trying to tinker with your late innings while being in a playoff hunt. Workman has been the 5th ranked reliever in the league for what its worth.

Many of them. Brad Hand, Kirby Yates are just a couple others who were starters in the minor leagues and when that doesn’t work, they move them to reliever. Doesn’t always happen after being starters in the majors, but this transition is definitely the norm.

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1 hour ago, kmoore1521 said:

Dodgers manager Dave Roberts said Kenley Jansen (ankle) should be available on Thursday against the Phillies.

Jansen suffered a bruised right ankle when he got struck by a comebacker in the ninth inning Tuesday night against the Phillies. He stayed in the game and blew a save in ugly fashion, before later acknowledging that he probably should have been pulled. It's clearly not a serious injury, though.

 

 

Hope nobody wasted an add or dropped anyone of possible use, as i was advising haha

 

And if you speculated on Baez like I advised you got a win last night......and can now move on to the next guy. Maybe a three-day ride for Adam Morgan coming up soon?

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15 minutes ago, sjs1890 said:

Mediocre starters frequently become shutdown closers? like who? Kennedy and CMart are alright but just seems weird trying to tinker with your late innings while being in a playoff hunt. Workman has been the 5th ranked reliever in the league for what its worth.

Brad Hand, Shane Greene, Wade Davis and Raisel Iglesias all made that transition a few years ago. All of them raised their K rates in the pen.

Boston’s tied for 3rd in MLB in blown saves, so I think some tinkering is warranted.

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