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Strckland returned from the DL with Seattle.

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Mariners activated RHP Hunter Strickland from the 60-day injured list.

Advice: Strickland has been out nearly all season with a strained lat, but he got through three rehab appearances with no issues, allowing one run while striking out four. The veteran reliever could eventually be back in the mix for saves with the Mariners, although they would figure to ease him into such a role.

 

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4 hours ago, codog24 said:

The Pirates don't need Lux. They have many MI in their system. Smith would have to be in the deal. And probably May. Vazquez has 4 more years remaining on his deal and a very cheap price. The Dodgers are really hungry for a title. It's going to have to take a "Chapman" deal like the Cubs gave a few years back. Is a title worth it LA?

No thanks.

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20 minutes ago, SpecialFNK said:

Strckland returned from the DL with Seattle.

 

 

he already pitched yesterday

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6 hours ago, secretagentman said:

The Cubs needed a closer...LAD do not as they have Jansen who is under control through 2021.  No way they are overpaying to that degree for a setup man\bullpen arm.  Pitts can certainly try to get that, but The Dodgers are not likely to be the ones going to pay it imo.  There likely will be plenty of bull pen arms around.

Yeah. I live in LA, full disclosure, and I am well aware of Yordan Alvarez's history. But in these types of deals, I think it has been pretty rare for the Dodgers to massively overpay with their system in order to get someone like Vazquez, especially since he's not going to be the closer. They could definitely give up 1 of those major prospects, but it's not like they're going to give up Smith and Lux. The reason they even have such a good farm system still is because they don't do things like that.

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Keep that trigger finger ready the next couple days. Bummer would be a nice grab if Colome gets dealt.

 

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LATEST NEWS

JUL 29, 8:49 AM CDT

Richards could be part of the Marlins' closer mix following the Sergio Romo trade, Joe Frisaro of MLB.com reports.

ANALYSIS

Only recently moved to the bullpen, Richards picked up his first career hold Sunday when he walked one batter in a scoreless seventh inning. Miami manager Don Mattingly invoked the name of another Trevor -- Hall of Famer Trevor Hoffman -- when discussing how the 26-year-old's plus changeup could be effective in relief, but calling that comparison premature would be an understatement. Even so, the Marlins have little to lose by experimenting with the closer role down the stretch to see if anyone can step up and seize it, so Richards could well get some save chances.

 

 

 

Might be worth eyeballing...

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It's possible, but doesn't Richards throw low 90's heat and walk a ton of guys?  I don't see that as a great recipe for a closer.

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6 minutes ago, cizastro said:

It's possible, but doesn't Richards throw low 90's heat and walk a ton of guys?  I don't see that as a great recipe for a closer.

Trevor Hoffman was throwing in the mid-80s into his 40's and managed a year with an ERA under 2. Richards sucks, but his fastball velocity doesn't preclude him from closing.

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14 minutes ago, miasma16 said:

Trevor Hoffman was throwing in the mid-80s into his 40's and managed a year with an ERA under 2. Richards sucks, but his fastball velocity doesn't preclude him from closing.

 

Even so, Hoffman was on a different level than Richards. I do find Mattingly's comments fascinating for what that's worth.

 

 

 

Might be worth eyeballing...

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Posted (edited)

Trevor Richards:

 

In 239 IP in the minors he had a 1.9 BB/9  (8.8 K/9).

In 237 IP in the majors he has a 3.9 BB/9  (9.3 K/9).

In his career, at all levels, 107 of his 114 appearances have been GS's.

He has never had a save at any level.

Trevor Richards averages 91.35 mph on his FB the last 2 seasons.

 

I think he's a sneaky option at closer.  If the standard applies with starters turned relievers, he could add a couple of ticks airing it out for an inning from the pen.  Being a change up specialist, his velo is less important since his FB will seem faster with the change in speeds.  Looking at his BB/9, the minor league numbers point to a guy who has pretty good control.  Maybe the task of turning over a lineup a few times caused some nibbling, or what have you, as a starter (just a guess).  I'm definitely going to keep an eye on him now.  If I had the room I might add him just to see who gets the next save chance. 

 

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Besides Trevor have there been any fastball changeup closers?   Asking.  Not questioning.

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8 minutes ago, B&F said:

Besides Trevor have there been any fastball changeup closers?   Asking.  Not questioning.

 

in the history of baseball, my guess is there has

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20 minutes ago, B&F said:

Besides Trevor have there been any fastball changeup closers?   Asking.  Not questioning.

Gagne & Rodney come to mind off the top of my head. I’m sure there are others. I could see Richards being successful if his velo plays up a tick or two in one-inning stints.

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3 hours ago, miasma16 said:

Yeah. I live in LA, full disclosure, and I am well aware of Yordan Alvarez's history. But in these types of deals, I think it has been pretty rare for the Dodgers to massively overpay with their system in order to get someone like Vazquez, especially since he's not going to be the closer. They could definitely give up 1 of those major prospects, but it's not like they're going to give up Smith and Lux. The reason they even have such a good farm system still is because they don't do things like that.

No, the reason they have a good farm system is because they spend twice as much as most of the majors. They can get who they want and then trade them away for good prospects. They can give up 2 prospects if they want. They can just sign 3 or 4 big free agents after the season and then trade them away for better prospects.

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39 minutes ago, B&F said:

Besides Trevor have there been any fastball changeup closers?   Asking.  Not questioning.

Keith Foulke?

 

2 hours ago, Backdoor Slider said:

Keep that trigger finger ready the next couple days. Bummer would be a nice grab if Colome gets dealt.

 

Any idea who might take the role if Bummer falters or gets dealt alongside Colome? Fry, maybe? Their bullpen really takes a dive after those two.

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Any spec on who the Mets closer would be if Diaz got dealt?

 

Lugo would make sense but Calloway isn't exactly in the "making sense" business 

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36 minutes ago, codog24 said:

No, the reason they have a good farm system is because they spend twice as much as most of the majors. They can get who they want and then trade them away for good prospects. They can give up 2 prospects if they want. They can just sign 3 or 4 big free agents after the season and then trade them away for better prospects.

You can remove yourself from your soapbox, my point which is completely correct is that the Dodgers rarely get hosed out of top prospects in bad trades.

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2 hours ago, miasma16 said:

Trevor Hoffman was throwing in the mid-80s into his 40's and managed a year with an ERA under 2. Richards sucks, but his fastball velocity doesn't preclude him from closing.

 

Agree that you don't need a screaming FB to be a good closer, but when you have a high walk rate as Richards does it would help to have shut-down stuff that can make up for those free passes.  Hoffman had a 2.5 BB/9 compared to Richards' 3.9 BB/9.  It just doesn't seem like a recipe for long-term success to me unless he can get his command under control and perhaps a move to the pen does that.

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24 minutes ago, to_be_quite_frank said:

Any spec on who the Mets closer would be if Diaz got dealt?

 

Lugo would make sense but Calloway isn't exactly in the "making sense" business 

 

Isn't their a pen a tire fire outside of Lugo? Familia would make sense but he's been awful

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55 minutes ago, codog24 said:

No, the reason they have a good farm system is because they spend twice as much as most of the majors. They can get who they want and then trade them away for good prospects. They can give up 2 prospects if they want. They can just sign 3 or 4 big free agents after the season and then trade them away for better prospects.

 

Wut?  Let's look at the Dodgers top 10 prospects:

 

Lux - Drafted by LA (2016; 1st round)

Smith - Drafted by LA (2016; 1st round)

Dustin May - Drafted by LA (2016; 3rd round)

Keibert Ruiz - Signed as non-drafted FA in 2014

Tony Gonsolin - Drafted by LA (2016; 9th round)

Dennis Santana - Signed by LA as an amateur free agent in 2013

DJ Peters - Drafted by LA (2016; 4th round)

Kody Hoese - Drafted by LA (2019; 1st round)

Jeter Downs - Acquired by LA from Cincy in the Puig trade

Mitchell White - Drafted by LA (2016; 2nd round)

 

So out of their entire top 10 list of prospects they have one player who was acquired via trade. 

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2 minutes ago, cizastro said:

 

Wut?  Let's look at the Dodgers top 10 prospects:

 

Lux - Drafted by LA (2016; 1st round)

Smith - Drafted by LA (2016; 1st round)

Dustin May - Drafted by LA (2016; 3rd round)

Keibert Ruiz - Signed as non-drafted FA in 2014

Tony Gonsolin - Drafted by LA (2016; 9th round)

Dennis Santana - Signed by LA as an amateur free agent in 2013

DJ Peters - Drafted by LA (2016; 4th round)

Kody Hoese - Drafted by LA (2019; 1st round)

Jeter Downs - Acquired by LA from Cincy in the Puig trade

Mitchell White - Drafted by LA (2016; 2nd round)

 

So out of their entire top 10 list of prospects they have one player who was acquired via trade. 

Enough already guys, lets stay on topic, prospects, and this back and forth,

doesn't belong here, give us a break.With all do respect gentlemen.

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Posted (edited)

Apologies, I didn't know what thread I was in when I responded.

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12 minutes ago, Topgun said:

Enough already guys, lets stay on topic, prospects, and this back and forth,

doesn't belong here, give us a break.With all do respect gentlemen.

The discussion has went far enough. My original point was completely relevant to closer speculation though; Vazquez ending up in a Dodger uni by the end of the week is possible, but doubtful unless the Pirates get themselves hosed. 

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Better be Lugo, for our ratio's sake

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Though don't the Mets like to deploy him for 1+ innings? If he ends up in the 9th maybe they use him like the A's used Treinen last year going for 4 or 5 out saves. That'd be sweet

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, B&F said:

Besides Trevor have there been any fastball changeup closers?   Asking.  Not questioning.

 

Fernando Rodney?

Edit: I see someone already mentioned him.  My bad.

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