Fantasyscrub

Nikola Jokic 2019-2020 Outlook

Recommended Posts

I know he's never going to be an Adonis, but Joker looks genuinely unfit right now

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 minutes ago, Quazza said:

I know he's never going to be an Adonis, but Joker looks genuinely unfit right now

You watch World Cup game? He usually plays for Serbia much worse than for Denver.

Edited by apatas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, apatas said:

You watch World Cup game? He usually plays for Serbia much worse than for Denver.

 

I've watched all their games, yes. He looks fatter than he normally does

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The question is, how much we can rely on these national team matches? There are many NBA players who almost never had played very good for his national team, Vucevic is also good example. Also I think such a stars like Giannis and Gobert have not played entirely in their usual level. But there are many other NBA players at World Cup who have played quite good: Bogdanovic, Fournier, Rubio, Baynes, Mills, Satoransky and maybe almost at their level M. Gasol, Ingles, Batum. I didn't mention USA players because they are all from NBA, nobody has special task to be leader.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm really not talking about how he's playing at this tournament. I'm talking about him not being in NBA shape right now 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rotoworld: Jokic can now turn his focus to Denver's upcoming season and should have a head start on his conditioning.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You don't have to be jacked to be an All-Star as basketball is a skill sport.  Often when you see people put on more muscle it actually makes them worse as a player because it seems to impact their outside shooting.  The only sort of conditioning you need is cardiovascular, and you can't tell simply by looking at Jokic from the outside how efficiently that system is operating.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 minutes ago, StifleTower2 said:

You don't have to be jacked to be an All-Star as basketball is a skill sport.  Often when you see people put on more muscle it actually makes them worse as a player because it seems to impact their outside shooting.  The only sort of conditioning you need is cardiovascular, and you can't tell simply by looking at Jokic from the outside how efficiently that system is operating.

Excellent post. I've said this for years in other threads. Everyone gets so hyped when players are jacked and put on a bunch of muscle in the offseason. In reality, it means next to nothing in the NBA. So many people don't realize that and it's shocking actually. 

 

As far as Jokic goes, he might be a little out of shape but it's not like he put on 50 pounds or something. Nothing a few weeks of Mike Malone conditioning can't fix in training camp.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, RedRaider27 said:

Excellent post. I've said this for years in other threads. Everyone gets so hyped when players are jacked and put on a bunch of muscle in the offseason. In reality, it means next to nothing in the NBA. So many people don't realize that and it's shocking actually. 

 

As far as Jokic goes, he might be a little out of shape but it's not like he put on 50 pounds or something. Nothing a few weeks of Mike Malone conditioning can't fix in training camp.

Critics made fun of Marc Gasol for being obese when he was drafted.  Now he was a key cog in a championship team.  Or Ingles because he doesn't "look the part", people even said Dirk would never win a title.  Making fun of white players who *look* out of shape seems a common theme when: 1) you can't really tell someone's cardio conditioning visually; 2) you don't need to be jacked to play basketball...you could be 20% bf and still dominate if you're skilled enough.

Edited by StifleTower2
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
28 minutes ago, StifleTower2 said:

Critics made fun of Marc Gasol for being obese when he was drafted.  Now he was a key cog in a championship team.  Or Ingles because he doesn't "look the part", people even said Dirk would never win a title.  Making fun of white players who *look* out of shape seems a common theme when: 1) you can't really tell someone's cardio conditioning visually; 2) you don't need to be jacked to play basketball...you could be 20% bf and still dominate if you're skilled enough.

Exactly. We've seen skinny players with almost no muscle dominate, we've seen bigger players with 20-25% body fat dominate. If your cardio is up, it doesn't matter, you don't need to be jacked. 

Edited by RedRaider27
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I think players getting jacked is more about assuming that they're taking their nutrition and overall health seriously. Always progressing to maximizing effect, and never regressing. Its just what people want to see especially in a young guy.

Edited by ssolitare

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, ssolitare said:

I think players getting jacked is more about assuming that they're taking their nutrition and overall health seriously. Always progressing to maximizing effect, and never regressing. Its just what people want to see especially in a young guy.

They’re professional athletes.  99% of them take their health seriously, and have an entire team dedicated to it, even if they don’t look “jacked”.  Time spent getting jacked over their summer is time better spent focusing on their poor shooting, Eg Scary Terry Rozier.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

 Making fun of white players who *look* out of shape seems a common theme when: 1) you can't really tell someone's cardio conditioning visually; 2) you don't need to be jacked to play basketball...you could be 20% bf and still dominate if you're skilled enough.

This might be the weirdest, most undercover homoerotic thing I've ever typed, but it's true.  Here goes: when black skin gets sweaty, under lights, the muscle definition is way, way more obvious than when white skin gets sweaty under lights.  Black guys will always look more toned/ripped/whatever because of this very basic visual thing.

Just like how in porn the "black latex" thing is pretty prevelant, cause the way light hits it accentuates a woman's curves.  White latex is way more of a niche, because when light hits it, it just looks like anything else that's tight.

Jeez I feel dirty now.

Anyway that visual aspect certainly plays a role in whether someone "looks" athletic or not.

  • Like 1
  • Haha 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Pyschout said:

This might be the weirdest, most undercover homoerotic thing I've ever typed, but it's true.  Here goes: when black skin gets sweaty, under lights, the muscle definition is way, way more obvious than when white skin gets sweaty under lights.  Black guys will always look more toned/ripped/whatever because of this very basic visual thing.

Just like how in porn the "black latex" thing is pretty prevelant, cause the way light hits it accentuates a woman's curves.  White latex is way more of a niche, because when light hits it, it just looks like anything else that's tight.

Jeez I feel dirty now.

Anyway that visual aspect certainly plays a role in whether someone "looks" athletic or not.

Oh I agree, I was going to type the same thing, but didn't.  It's the same reason why bodybuilders get so tan.  The darker you are the more it masks your flaws and highlights your strengths.  In the case of someone like Joe Ingles I also think it has something to do with the fact that he's bald and looks old.  People are way more superficial than one might think.  But these guys are professional athletes, I'm pretty sure the most dorky looking basketball player is in great shape.  Which is why "muscle watch" is pure bull****.  The "jacked" guys have no real advantage, they just look jacked.  As if being jacked had anything to do with basketball anyway.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
26 minutes ago, hipriest69 said:

James Harden is f***n fat and is perhaps the best offensive player of all time.  Case closed.  

Baron Davis and D Williams too.  Seems as if point guards who spent a lot of time driving need a little cushin for the pushin...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

weirdest discussion on this forums ever   😀

I agree that athleticism and muscles are overrated in basketball. Tim Duncan made All-NBA   and All_defensive teams on one good knee.

And he also made it to the NBA  finals and won the title

 

Edited by Gile Pile
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

They’re professional athletes.  99% of them take their health seriously, and have an entire team dedicated to it, even if they don’t look “jacked”.  Time spent getting jacked over their summer is time better spent focusing on their poor shooting, Eg Scary Terry Rozier.  

 

I'm with you. What I'm saying is that people don't like it when someone comes into training camp looking out of shape. When people transform themselves it looks like they're trying to go to an all new level, even if that's not a good assumption to make. It's all optics.

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

You don't have to be jacked to be an All-Star as basketball is a skill sport.  Often when you see people put on more muscle it actually makes them worse as a player because it seems to impact their outside shooting.  The only sort of conditioning you need is cardiovascular, and you can't tell simply by looking at Jokic from the outside how efficiently that system is operating.

 

I totally agree.

Have you watched his game though for Serbia? I'm not talking about "getting jacked". He was literally struggling to get up and down the court

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gaining muscle is not nearly as important as losing fat for someone like jokic. Jokic putting on muscle when he is his size, won't do much for him. He can already bully almost anyone and finish at the rim at an exceptional rate. But losing 20 lbs and increasing agility would do wonders for him. Jokic adding some fatty weight in my opinion, is a clear cut obvious sign of him going to have a slow start to the 1st quarter of the year. Nba analysts, I forgot which ones, on ESPN, were talking about how if jokic lost body fat he would be unstoppable. I'd think that going in the opposite direction can only mean negative things for his outlook. If hes still out of shape come the start of the season, I'd have to drop him down to the 10+ spot on my draft list, instead of his expected 6 or 7. He started off slow last year so that's very likely to repeat if he is in even worse shape come day 1. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CavQXLfWAAEV3px.jpg

 

I bet he spent most of the offseason with his family in serbia and his mom was dishing out those tasty cevapcici and sausages again 🙂 

Edited by Chrizz
  • Like 1
  • Haha 4

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 9/14/2019 at 2:14 AM, johnval1362 said:

Gaining muscle is not nearly as important as losing fat for someone like jokic. Jokic putting on muscle when he is his size, won't do much for him. He can already bully almost anyone and finish at the rim at an exceptional rate. But losing 20 lbs and increasing agility would do wonders for him. Jokic adding some fatty weight in my opinion, is a clear cut obvious sign of him going to have a slow start to the 1st quarter of the year.

 

... not to mention increasing injury risk when you need to carry more weight during basketball games.
 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.