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Isaiah Thomas 2019-2020 Outlook

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Likely the starting PG for the Wiz for this entire upcoming season. He claims for the first time since his injury with the Celtics he feels 100% and could focus on working on his game all off-season instead of rehabbing.

 

I think he's going to surprise a lot of people and he can be landed for cheap. He's a good get right now.

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I will let my competition enjoy his bounce back if it happens. I don't say it's impossible, just there are plenty of sleepers with bigger upside IMO.

Thomas needs to be really in top form to overcome his weaknesses. Having a well built team around him also would help.
The latter is not the case as we all know.
As for the former - I don't really believe in him coming back to his top speed after all those injury plagued years and not getting younger anymore.

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54 minutes ago, slmroz said:

I will let my competition enjoy his bounce back if it happens. I don't say it's impossible, just there are plenty of sleepers with bigger upside IMO.

Thomas needs to be really in top form to overcome his weaknesses. Having a well built team around him also would help.
The latter is not the case as we all know.
As for the former - I don't really believe in him coming back to his top speed after all those injury plagued years and not getting younger anymore.

That doesn't need to happen for him to be a valuable fantasy asset. Especially at his price...

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I think he has upside but I'm not too hopeful. I think it's more likely he puts up #s close to Reggie Jackson numbers last year, which are decent counting stats on some nights (~14 pts ~4 ast ~0.7 stl) but the efficiency means he still wasn't T130 value in 9-cat. R-Jax also shot 42% from the field and 86% from the line, I'm not even sure IT is ready to get back to those levels of efficiency tbh. He's also 30 years old at this point, so it would be tough for him to be what he was at 26/27 years old.

 

That said, if he could even mimic what he used to be as a 6th man he would break T80 value. But I'm not too hopeful, R-Jax, Ish Smith, and Augustin have continued to prove that just because the guy is starting doesn't necessarily make him fantasy relevant for the season. I might rather gamble on a rookie like Darius Garland or go with other guys like DSJ or Sato. I think Fournier or Barton will put up better #s at a similar current ADP, but I could always be wrong. 

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Who's saying he's getting back. Do you remember where he ranked pre-injury? I'm saying he's top 100 and I'm sticking to that. I will draft him, and then later trade him for a profit as soon as the market warms up.

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We went from Mitchell robinson and Siakam too Isaiah Thomas and Terry Rozier lol. It’s getting bad in here.

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I've stashed him on my bench in a couple of dynasty leagues and I've drafted him the last round in redraft.  It's just a dart throw at this point.  He's a good shooter from the line, and I don't think that will go away, but I'm not sure he can get that volume if his hip is hurt bc he might not be able to drive.  He's also a good shooter from deep.  He's never been a primary passer, more like he looks to score, and dumps off to an outlet if he's stopped.  The other problem is that he's an atrocious rebounder and gets no stocks as he's shorter than most of us.  Ish is whatever so the opportunity is there but IT2 had so many holes anyway.  I think optimistically: 15/5 assists (horrible stocks and rebounds).  A couple of threes. 85% from the line or better.  Sub 45% from the field, 2 TO.  I think a good way to look at him would be as a 3pt specialist, with a couple more assists than other such shooters, and put him in the same camp as Terrence Ross or so.

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I'll love a IT renaissance, but I think the Cavaliers broke him beyond repair.

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29 minutes ago, Trench Mob said:

I'll love a IT renaissance, but I think the Cavaliers broke him beyond repair.

Emotionally or physically.  My main concern is that his will is broken, despite how strong it was. 

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52 minutes ago, StifleTower2 said:

Emotionally or physically.  My main concern is that his will is broken, despite how strong it was. 

 

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From that moment on he was never the same.

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18 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

Emotionally or physically.  My main concern is that his will is broken, despite how strong it was. 

 

Nah I follow him on instagram and twitter.  His will is stronger than eva! 

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25 minutes ago, hipriest69 said:

 

Nah I follow him on instagram and twitter.  His will is stronger than eva! 

Is it stronger than ever or is he saying it’s stronger than ever?

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On 9/1/2019 at 7:08 AM, StifleTower2 said:

Is it stronger than ever or is he saying it’s stronger than ever?

 

Exactly  - social media is the easiest place to portray whatever it is you want people to see 

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Still I think he can be a possible pick in last two rounds because anyway you have to keep at least 2 spots for drop/add. Any pick in last two rounds of the draft is not risky for this reason.

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The problem with him was he wasn't healthy. If he is 100% now he is surely worth a pick in last couple rounds. He just needs 25-30 mins to be valuable in a punt fg% format with 15 points and 5 assists and his only competition is Ish Smith. Thomas is not old, he is 30. 

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1 hour ago, RipCity0 said:

The problem with him was he wasn't healthy. If he is 100% now he is surely worth a pick in last couple rounds. He just needs 25-30 mins to be valuable in a punt fg% format with 15 points and 5 assists and his only competition is Ish Smith. Thomas is not old, he is 30. 

Careful now.  According to the majority of the fantasy world, anyone over 25 is ancient...despite the fact that men don’t even reach their physical peak until around 30.

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He's said hes going to surprise people multiple times already before this off season, and failed every time. He might be backing it up this time but he's always talking himself up. His ego is not reliable. He is one of those "I know I'm not the goat but I like to think I am to play to best of my ability" type players. 

I'd grab him last round because his upside is still great. 

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2 hours ago, StifleTower2 said:

Careful now.  According to the majority of the fantasy world, anyone over 25 is ancient...despite the fact that men don’t even reach their physical peak until around 30.

Roger Federer is superold!

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Haha I meant that it seems like he's been working extremely hard and I would never doubt this man's drive.  He's worked out with Kobe, with Damon Stoudamire (learning tricks from another small lefty guard).  It's obvious he has a desire to continually improve and get better.  Whether or not his body holds up I have no idea. 

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Several depth charts still list Ish Smith as the starter for the Wiz. If that's how it plays out, how does that affect IT's value? Or do people still think it'll be Thomas's job to lose? 

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2 minutes ago, jnormy said:

Several depth charts still list Ish Smith as the starter for the Wiz. If that's how it plays out, how does that affect IT's value? Or do people still think it'll be Thomas's job to lose? 

It’s been stated that Ish is the starter, and Thomas makes more sense off the bench anyway.  He can play off or on ball.  Maybe a LouWill type season. 

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Expecting a 1819 LouWill or 1718 Will Barton-type season this year. Maybe a Lite version, but I think he would be productive enough to roster at a 14-teamer or more. 

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 Isaiah Thomas underwent successful surgery to repair a rupture of the radial collateral ligament of his left thumb today. The injury occurred during routine workouts on Monday. Thomas is expected to miss 6-8 weeks before returning to action.


 

 

https://www.nba.com/wizards/isaiah-thomas-injury-update-thumb-9-18-19

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