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1 hour ago, Lifschitz said:

 

What? They don’t even go in the same round and yes I would prioritize Conley over siakam in my build but Conley isn’t the bpa nor is siakam, booker and Mitchell are.

I like siakam, I would roster him on every team if I could, not at his current valuation. I’m bypassing a big or a guard that can get me blocks and other goodies.

Lopez gets drafted two three rounds down. I don’t draft him because he doesn’t steal board or assist well, I’d be tanking assists pairing him with towns. It would be horford or bam in that area. I don’t like one dimensional players in early rounds.

 I even said Siakam fits my build, but I can’t justify his adp because I’m looking for the dominant scarce categories here. I’ll be playing catch up. That’s the premise.

 

Ok ok, Conley and Brolo weren't good exemples.

I'm going to think about what you are saying (my drafts are all next week). But for now it's hard for me to pass on Beal at 15 or Siakam at 30 because they are SG and PF...

 

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21 minutes ago, GrandGourou said:

 

Ok ok, Conley and Brolo weren't good exemples.

I'm going to think about what you are saying (my drafts are all next week). But for now it's hard for me to pass on Beal at 15 or Siakam at 30 because they are SG and PF...

 

 

Take who you like, this isn’t the bible, it’s just a build 

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1 hour ago, GrandGourou said:

 

Ok ok, Conley and Brolo weren't good exemples.

I'm going to think about what you are saying (my drafts are all next week). But for now it's hard for me to pass on Beal at 15 or Siakam at 30 because they are SG and PF...

 

One of these things is not like the other. Beal at 15 is a no brainer. Siakam at 30 isn't. 

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probably going more balance and more semi punt. take talent over build, no/less player bias, targeting players less likely to get shut down/inj

pick at near the turn im going lbj simmons, then 4 centers then fill out the assists and steals with  guards like Teague, Rubio, tomas, rondo, ect

the problem will be disguising the triple punt and you really cant piviot. once you get the lbj and simmons getting 4 punt ft centers isn't really hard. well not in the mocks so far.

 

lbj, simmons, lma, capela, adams, Harrell, Rubio, Teague is pretty ideal. and you might get gamble in ur pick in the 70's before you get ur 4th center on someone like shai.

 

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17 hours ago, colepenhagen said:

probably going more balance and more semi punt. take talent over build, no/less player bias, targeting players less likely to get shut down/inj

pick at near the turn im going lbj simmons, then 4 centers then fill out the assists and steals with  guards like Teague, Rubio, tomas, rondo, ect

the problem will be disguising the triple punt and you really cant piviot. once you get the lbj and simmons getting 4 punt ft centers isn't really hard. well not in the mocks so far.

 

lbj, simmons, lma, capela, adams, Harrell, Rubio, Teague is pretty ideal. and you might get gamble in ur pick in the 70's before you get ur 4th center on someone like shai.

 

If you go simmons/lebron I would lean towards a 3rd guard over 4 centers with the amount of blocks/reb/fg you get from those 2. 

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32 minutes ago, BMart519 said:

If you go simmons/lebron I would lean towards a 3rd guard over 4 centers with the amount of blocks/reb/fg you get from those 2. 

from personal experience the center heavy team was much better than guard heavy triple punt team.  then again I did it with Westbrook and simmons so got extra dimes from Westbrook compared to what lbj offers. still think you can get 2 guards that fit this build in rds 7/8-9. also only a couple teams can compete in dimes in the first place so its less important imo.

wiggins also fits nicely in this build as his %'s don't matter and beause ur fg% is so great and ur punting ft%. ingram as well for cross the board production. 

 

ideal would be landing a top 3 pick and getting Giannis then Drummond and simmons. that would almost be unfair front 3

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For me, I go for bigs and pgs. Especially the ones with dual positions. I play in several double double leagues as well.

Sg/sf are always the weakest links on my team

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36 minutes ago, Trade Monster said:

For me, I go for bigs and pgs. Especially the ones with dual positions. I play in several double double leagues as well.

Sg/sf are always the weakest links on my team

First pick I take best player available then I go for bigs the next 3 out of 4 picks.

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I prefer to punt because then you are taking advantage of the game.

While everyone else is competing for 9 cats, you are playing potential 8 to 7 cats - this is huge.

Suddenly Westbrook and Drummond become 1st round value players for you.

Into the season, In FA pool, I can afford to pick up a player that others are afraid to because I don't care about that weakness.

I believe your winning rate is higher with a punt strategy because you are selectively giving up a category or two and reinforcing your strengths further more.

As long as you can focus on 5 cats that you are confident in. You are on your way to championships.

 

My favorite punt is TO because players with a high TO rate tends to be dynamic in numbers as well - imagine Harden, RWB, Simmons/Doncic, etc.

I find FT% punt less attractive these days because there are many emerging centers that can shoot those - I don't find it necessary.

 

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I usually play roto but I decided to something different this year.  I'm in a H2H league that plays 15 categories.  Do you still punt some categories or do try to cover them all as best as you can??  It's a 20 team league with 16 players per team.

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39 minutes ago, willie24 said:

I usually play roto but I decided to something different this year.  I'm in a H2H league that plays 15 categories.  Do you still punt some categories or do try to cover them all as best as you can??  It's a 20 team league with 16 players per team.

 

In H2H, the more categories your league has and the deeper the league, the more advisable it is to punt cat(s).

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2 hours ago, Del Rio said:

 

In H2H, the more categories your league has and the deeper the league, the more advisable it is to punt cat(s).

Thanks for the advice.  I appreciate your input.  This will be a new strategy for me.

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Light some candles, put on some Enya and pray 

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My league runs up until the end of the NBA regular season (which I hate) so it’s a bit of a slog. Player health is highly valuable so therefore my strategy for 2019-2020 is simple: maximize games played while taking into account our playoff schedules and quality games. I’m ignoring guys that typically miss 15-20 games, came back from major surgery, or might be rested down the stretch. I typically draft BPA and will make exceptions for poor health guys that slide in the draft (PG, Butler, Lowry, Aldridge etc.). I won’t punt unless it’s an obvious punt although I almost always ignore TOs as high usage guys kill this cat anyway.

ADP vs where I project guys will finish is how I find value (and most successful teams find value) in the draft. How many championship teams was Vucevic on last year? Or Gallo? Probably a lot. I’m loving value picks like Bryant, WCJ, Lonzo (yes), Aldridge (age is a concern but I think he’ll surprise people), Favors (his ADP is mid-50s but I think he’ll still blow that out of the water), Hayward (top 40 potential that late? Yes please), Teague (top 50 potential), Garris (injury risk is real but the potential is too great, think Gallo), Warren (same as Garris tbh), and a couple of other. 
 

tldr; maximizing games played, quality games, playoff schedule, and crushing ADPs

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I always believe that you draft around your 1st pick. Take full of advantage of their skills and punt whatever weaknesses they have (ie - If I draft Harden, i'm staying away from guys like Simmons, Drummond or Gobert.) Thats worked very well for me in my league. I'd rather be great in 5-6 cats than be average or up and down in all 9. Also, stay away from guys with durability issues.

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1 hour ago, sharkpotato said:

I always believe that you draft around your 1st pick. Take full of advantage of their skills and punt whatever weaknesses they have (ie - If I draft Harden, i'm staying away from guys like Simmons, Drummond or Gobert.) Thats worked very well for me in my league. I'd rather be great in 5-6 cats than be average or up and down in all 9. Also, stay away from guys with durability issues.

 

If you draft Harden you are punting Turnovers, so now what do you do?? :D

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It is interesting that absolutely opposite to comment of Sharkpotato I never base my draft on 1st pick. In standard league (12 teams) where I play we draft 14 players and 1st round pick is exactly 1/14 of my team. He gives more stats than others but still he is just a small part of the team. Maybe in Roto the rules are different but H2H is more complicated because you can quite likely (I mean at least 30-40% possibility) to beat team who is better by their rankings (let's say BBM rankings). In H2H happens very often that some team is generally better than yours but due to the different stats favorable matching you can beat him 5:4 or even 6:3. At the same time you can lose next week to the team which is generally worse than yours. Because there is so much factors (one of them and maybe the most important is luck) for success in H2H then it is absolutely irrelevant who is your 1st pick. Team wins, team loses and that's all. No player can win league for you single-handedly.

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28 minutes ago, apatas said:

It is interesting that absolutely opposite to comment of Sharkpotato I never base my draft on 1st pick. In standard league (12 teams) where I play we draft 14 players and 1st round pick is exactly 1/14 of my team. He gives more stats than others but still he is just a small part of the team. Maybe in Roto the rules are different but H2H is more complicated because you can quite likely (I mean at least 30-40% possibility) to beat team who is better by their rankings (let's say BBM rankings). In H2H happens very often that some team is generally better than yours but due to the different stats favorable matching you can beat him 5:4 or even 6:3. At the same time you can lose next week to the team which is generally worse than yours. Because there is so much factors (one of them and maybe the most important is luck) for success in H2H then it is absolutely irrelevant who is your 1st pick. Team wins, team loses and that's all. No player can win league for you single-handedly.

 

I've never said that one player can win your league single handedly. Of course you need a lot of contribution from your other guys. But if all my guys can produce in those same 5-6 areas it takes some of the randomness and luck out of the equation. You won't win every matchup and you may not end up with the best record, but in the playoffs it's absolute money when all you need is 5 categories.

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15 minutes ago, sharkpotato said:

 

I've never said that one player can win your league single handedly. Of course you need a lot of contribution from your other guys. But if all my guys can produce in those same 5-6 areas it takes some of the randomness and luck out of the equation. You won't win every matchup and you may not end up with the best record, but in the playoffs it's absolute money when all you need is 5 categories.

Yes, I agree you didn't say that one player can win your league. But I am not a English speaking person and I have quite difficulties to explain exactly how I create my team, but one thing is clear - my further draft will NOT depend on whom I picked in 1st round. Why? Because if I do it then I am limited in picking next players. If I build my team only around 1st pick then I have to rule out majority of players only for reason that they don't fit with my 1st round pick. But if we talk about draft strategy then in my strategy one of the most important points is that I don't want to be limited. Also I want to say that it is not so easy to say: all you need is 5 categories, You can find an opponent who is very good at for example 2 of your 5 best cats and then you can lose easily. Nothing is certain at H2H.

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26 minutes ago, apatas said:

Yes, I agree you didn't say that one player can win your league. But I am not a English speaking person and I have quite difficulties to explain exactly how I create my team, but one thing is clear - my further draft will NOT depend on whom I picked in 1st round. Why? Because if I do it then I am limited in picking next players. If I build my team only around 1st pick then I have to rule out majority of players only for reason that they don't fit with my 1st round pick. But if we talk about draft strategy then in my strategy one of the most important points is that I don't want to be limited. Also I want to say that it is not so easy to say: all you need is 5 categories, You can find an opponent who is very good at for example 2 of your 5 best cats and then you can lose easily. Nothing is certain at H2H.

 

You're absolutely right, nothing is certain in H2H. I just want to clarify that when I say all you need is 5 categories - I want to create the best odds for myself when it comes to winning my matchups. If i'm winning a different category each week, I feel like I have no direction with my team and I need that. But we all have different ways of building our teams and I have nothing but respect for how you build yours.

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From a positional scarcity stand point, do you guys feel more comfortable with the guards or the bigs from rounds 4-8? I'm trying to decide if I want two of jrue Beal kyrie to start or Gobert Drummond and vucevic. 

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1 hour ago, jay2491 said:

From a positional scarcity stand point, do you guys feel more comfortable with the guards or the bigs from rounds 4-8? I'm trying to decide if I want two of jrue Beal kyrie to start or Gobert Drummond and vucevic. 

Just depends really.  I think Lowry is a lock for a top 30 player in per game and he is being drafted past 40.  Teague is a great assist/steals specialist beyond the 75th pick. I think Smart will have a better year than expected: 14/5/4 with 2 threes and 2 steals.  These are just the underrated point guards. There are other guards who I think are overvalued.  

 

If you compare this to: Jval, Bryant, Favors, etc I think there are more bigs later.  Not to mention the punt guys: Adams, Whiteside, etc.  Not to mention the deeper sleepers: Zeller (often injured but top 80 down the stretch last season and has an uncapped opportunity), Allen (solid player who knows what will happen with Jordan), Dedmon, etc.  

 

Seems as if you can get a big at any round this year while point guards are scarce.  Now if by guard you also included wings. Well then wings are never scarce.  Too many guys to list who can approximate 12 points, 2 threes, 1 steal.  

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New guy/lurker here. For some reason I can’t ask this question in the assistant coach forum so I thought this might be a good place since it has to do with strategy.

This will be my first year playing and it’s a 12 person league with 11 categories (I have pick 7). I’ve been trying to do some research but I’m sort of stumped on knowing what’s the best way to draft early on-mid rounds.

If I were to draft a center in the first round then would I go point guard in round 2, center round 3, and keep alternating until I need other positions (sf/pf) in the mid/late rounds? Vice versa if I were to draft a point guard in the first round? I’ve seen some people post that it’s good to go with a center/pg/pg or pg/center/center. I’ve also seen that just doing best player available is good as well no matter what the position is. Any help would be appreciated!

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8 hours ago, basketballfan said:

New guy/lurker here. For some reason I can’t ask this question in the assistant coach forum so I thought this might be a good place since it has to do with strategy.

This will be my first year playing and it’s a 12 person league with 11 categories (I have pick 7). I’ve been trying to do some research but I’m sort of stumped on knowing what’s the best way to draft early on-mid rounds.

If I were to draft a center in the first round then would I go point guard in round 2, center round 3, and keep alternating until I need other positions (sf/pf) in the mid/late rounds? Vice versa if I were to draft a point guard in the first round? I’ve seen some people post that it’s good to go with a center/pg/pg or pg/center/center. I’ve also seen that just doing best player available is good as well no matter what the position is. Any help would be appreciated!

It varies year to year based on which players are available in each round.  As Stifle pointed out, good PG's are scarce this year (this is a recurring trend) and bigs are more available later that offer some upside or have some established track record of being decent. I think if it's your first year, I would go first 5 rounds all big men and point guards. You don't have to alternate back and forth, just take the best big man or pg available that round but I don't recommend going more than 2 of the same position in a row, so don't go C, C, C or PG, PG, PG. 

Still there are some later round pg's that slip through that are solid targets: Ja Morant, Shai Alexander, Delon Wright, Jeff Teague, Rubio, etc. 

For bigs there are just more mid-late rounders that are intriguing...too many to list. 

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8 hours ago, basketballfan said:

This will be my first year playing and it’s a 12 person league with 11 categories

 

Advice may differ a lot depending on what the 11 categories are and what format roto or h2h. Most advice here assumes 12 team standard 8 or 9 cat.

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