I just saw this thread, as I rarely read Football, so maybe all things been said here on 70 pages, but I find it shocking to even consider this idea, so I decided to add what I learned over the years watching Manning and Brady teams.
Payton Manning was probably the greatest game manager I've ever seen.
Had a great arm too.
To me, Manning is the best QB of the era after the Montana Marino Elway era.
While Brady is nothing more then a mediocre QB who happened to be at the right place at the right time.
Bill Belichick on Brady: "Works very hard, he is very smart. He has trained hard, worked hard on his throwing mechanics. He has worked hard on his mental understanding of the game, and process. He is not a great natural athlete. He is a very smart instinctive football player. It's not all about talent, it's about dependability, consistency. "
So according to his coach, who is clearly one of the greatest coaches of all time, Brady is not that talented, and not a natural athlete.
Fairly evident if you look at his QB challenge tape on Youtube. Finished with zero point in accuracy.
What was evident over the years, that Brady can't do crap behind an average O-line with no receivers like Welker, Edelman, Randy Moss, Gronk and the mostly forgotten man Troy Brown.
While with Randy Moss it was easy, as Randy Moss made even Dante Culpepper look like a Hall of Famer.
The other one who was catching medium distance throws was Gronk, who is a Hall of Fame TE, who would have been easily great with any QB in the league with his size, strength and good hands.
These are the facts.
Troy Brown was like Welker and Edelman, it's just back then those type of players were overlooked. Mostly, but not by Bill Belichick. And those pesky Wide Receivers allowed Brady to throw short easy completions. And what not many people know, that despite Brady was use to be a top yardage QB in every season, his Air Yards sucked, as his was nearly always bottom half in the league, while the Patriots receivers YAC was one of the best in the league. Now combine that with huge volume and you get a mediocre QB getting these numbers.
Ok, one could argue that for this much volume you need to throw a lot, but that is where the O-Line came into picture.
His O-line (or sometimes the referees) gave him enough time to make the easy throw.
I wonder which NFL level QB can't do what Brady did. Standing there in great protection waiting for his speedy receiver or the Hall of Famer receiver to get open. Many times he had so much time that he could have had a danish and coffee and reading the morning news while waiting for the receiver to get open. And the refs rarely called offensive holding on the Patriots for "whatever reason".
Well I said Im wondering, but actually not much of a wondering, since Im sure every NFL caliber QB could do this who has the brain to understand simple things, as DO NOT SCREW UP. That is all he had to do.
Belichick made life easy for Brady.
All in all Brady is a mediocre QB who would have never survived on any other team. He was an afterthought on draft day for a very good reason. He is nothing special, just been in the right place at the right time.