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  1. I personally think Butler > Gilmore. IMO they overpaid for Gilmore. PFF ranked Butler the 2nd best CB last season, Gilmore wasn't in the top 25.
  2. 2016 average PPG per team was 22.7 1985 average PPG per team was 21.5 In each of Montana's 4 SBs, he had one of the best defenses in the league as well. 1981-#2 1984- #1 1988-#8 1999-#3
  3. Brady won his 5 SB with his defenses averaging 26PPG allowed Montana won his 4 SB with his defenses averaging 18 PPG allowed Peyton won his 2 SB with his defenses averaging 13 PPG allowed Brady 15:5 TD/INT ratio in 7 games Manning 3:5 TD/INT ratio in 4 games Stop.
  4. Manning with Indy- Edgerrin James: 1st round Marvin Harrison: 1st round Reggie Wayne: 1st round Dallas Clark: 1st round Marshall Faulk: 1st round
  5. Julian Edelman: 7th round Danny Amendola: undrafted Chris Hogan: undrafted Malcolm Mitchell: 4th round James White: 4th round LeGarette Blount: undrafted Martellus Bennett: 2nd Round, 1x pro bowl This is who Brady led a 25 point comeback in the Super Bowl with.
  6. Fun fact: Manning has never thrown a TD in the 4th quarter of a SB, however, he has thrown a game ending pick 6 only 1 TD in the 2nd half with 4 SB apperances is not clutch
  7. http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=14920087 Ryan Clark, who has played both multiple times, on Brady vs Manning said he would take Brady and it isn't even close. Ryan Clark said Manning was good at "getting his team in the right plays and opportunities, but he didn't do a lot...you saw a lot of the hand gestures and talking so it made it seem like he was confusing but he really was not" On Brady "everytime we played him i was nervous because he was the only player that I felt like knew exactly where we were coming from and couldn't fool"
  8. Moss 07'- 18 receptions of 20+, 9 receptions of 40+ DT 13'- 19 receptions of 20+. 5 receptions of 40+ Eric Decker 13'-19 receptions of 20+, 6 receptions of 40+
  9. Once again thats on volume. If Brady had the same number of attempts he would have the record by 2 yards. Brady's top 5 weapons in 07 Moss, Welker, Stallworth, Ben Watson and Jabar Gaffney Manning top 5 weapons in 13 DT, Julius Thomas, Eric Decker, Welker, and Moreno I agree with you that Moss was a lot better than anyone Manning had in '13, but as a complete group its close. 2013 Broncos had a lot of depth.
  10. Favre: 3x NFL MVP, 3x First-Team All-Pro, 3x Second-Team All-Pro With that logic, Favre is better than Brady right?
  11. I don't know if you can read but I said passing offense, not total offense. 2007 Brady, 398 completions, 578 attempts, 68.9 comp %, 4,806 yards, 50 TD, 8.7 TD%, 8INT, 6.3TD/INT, 117.2 QB Rating, 88.2 QBR (Best ever recorded) 2013 Manning- 450 completions, 659 attempts, 68.3 comp %, 5,477 yards, 55TD, 8.3TD%, 10INT, 5.5TD/INT, 115.1 QB Rating, 82.2QBR (8th best ever recorded) The only categories Manning beat Brady in are 100% volume dependent. Manning's 659 attempts in 2013 are 9th most all time. Brady's 578 attempts in 2007? 88th all time.
  12. Tom Brady in 07' had by far the best passing offense of the last 22 years Matt Cassel the next year the 272nd ranked passing offense of the last 22 years Please tell me more about how Brady is strictly a system QB? Brady has played 92% of his games outdoors (185 of 202) Manning has played 49% of his games outdoors (122 of 248) Brady in a dome: 67.4%, 8.64 YPA, 6.9% TD, 2.62% INT, 106.42 rating Manning in a dome: 66.16%, 7.8 YPA, 6.1% TD, 2.4% INT, 99.72 rating Brady outdoors: 63.15%, 7.35 YPA, 5.39% TD, 1.93% INT, 95.28 rating Manning outdoors: 64.97%, 7.62 YPA, 5.66% TD, 2.63% INT, 95.83 rating Also, people fail to mention Peyton had Tony Dungy and IND had one of the best defenses in the league for a few years in the mid 2000s.
  13. Peyton in his 4 postseason games in 06 when he won a SB had 3TD-7INT, including 1TD and 2 turnovers in the SB Peyton last year in the SB had 141 yards, 0TD, 2 Turnovers (obviously on the decline but still) Stop.
  14. 1. Manning had the best offensive weapons of any QB in NFL history throughout his career Players Manning played with: Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Demaryius Thomas, Emmanuel Sanders, Julius Thomas, Wes Welker, Players Brady played with: Randy Moss (1 year and broke every QB-WR record at the time), Gronk, Wes Welker, Julian Edelman (QB turned WR) 2. Forget super bowls, lets look at playoff wins 1.Tom Brady - 22-9 2.Joe Montana - 16-7 5. Peyton Manning - 12-11 3.Peyton Manning has 9, "1-and-done" playoff appearances Tom Brady has been to 9 AFC Championship games Stop the madness! And for the record Matt Cassel took a 2-14 Chiefs team to the playoffs just 2 years after getting traded. Not to mention he had a better year in 2010 with KC than he did with the Pats.
  15. Curious. Unsure if it has been mentioned in the thread already, but if Michael Jordan had 2 rings instead of 6 and underperformed in the playoffs while still dominating in the regular season do you think he would still be unanimously touted as the greatest basketball player ever? I personally don't think so.
  16. What I got out of this thread: The pro-Manning posters think Manning's receivers WRs had no skill (even though DT, Wayne and Harrison were all 1st round picks), Manning is the only reason they are what they are, but the same can't be said about Brady. Brady's receivers made Brady's stats with YAC and Brady had no impact on making anyone better (Wes Welker in Miami says hi). Some of the arguments made in this thread are a prime example of a contradiction.
  17. Talib said Manning was better while he was on the Broncos after he left NE, not much of an objective opinion when you're still in the lockeroom with Manning. Ray Lewis called Brady the greatest of greats so not sure how that backs your argument. Flowers said Manning is harder to prepare for, not that he would take Manning over Brady. Couldn't find anything on Reed. Bruschi works for ESPN as an analyst so his opinion doesn't count I thought Never said that no one said Manning isn't good. I'm saying I cant find a player saying give me Manning over Brady
  18. Who? I tried looking and only found Talib, who I would hope wouldn't go against his starting QB, so I would like to hear the others. Ryan Clark is an analyst for ESPN, he doesn't just do first take. Also, how is that opinion controversial in any way? But yes Skip definitely does take a lot of his stances way out there lol that I can agree with
  19. I was saying more so on the player analysis he gave on each. Multiple other DBs including Champ Bailey, Mannings former teammate, have said they would take Brady. Ray Lewis called Brady "the greatest of greats". I couldn't find actual NFL players (not posters on these forums) who played against both who say they would take Manning over Brady. There is obviously some that would take Manning I just couldn't find any in a quick search. mediocre pro bowl safety that started on one of the best defenses from 06-13 and played against both of them multiple times. The real question is who's opinion is valued on here?
  20. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15s36zOvtiM ^^^ Ryan Clark on first take discussing Brady vs Manning @ 3:50. Provides really good insight as a player who played against these guys.
  21. You have to break out what those players did without the QB in question to evaluate them fairly. Peyton's weapons: Marvin Harrison- Did nothing until Peyton Manning got to town. Reggie Wayne- Had 960 yards and 4 TDs without Manning/Luck in 2011. Carried by his QBs. Dallas Clark- mediocre TE carried by Manning to a 1000 yard season in 2009. Demaryius Thomas- Solid #1 WR. Eric Decker- Good #2 WR. Wes Welker- Best slot WR of his generation. Julius Thomas - Carried to two 12 TD seasons with Manning, did nothing without him. Emmanuel Sanders- Wasn't a standout WR until getting to Denver with Manning. Brady's weapons - Moss- Best WR of the past 25 years, on two of the top 5 scoring offenses of all time. Gronk- Will go down as the best receiving TE of his generation, if not all time. Welker- Best slot WR of his generation. Edelman- Ok WR, has improved a lot in the past two seasons. Bill Belichick - Best coach of the past 15 years. Brady has had a much better supporting cast than Manning did with the Colts. Once Manning got to Denver he finally had some players and coaches around him to put him in position to win another superbowl. Are you talking about strictly offensive weapons or as a whole team? To say Brady had a much better supporting cast is laughable IMO. I think Decker could be a #1 and also think it's too early to dismiss Thomas. Manning had potentially 3 HOF of the 5 skill positions on offense in Indy (Wayne, Harrison, James). Harrison was a first round pick and had just 2 season without a decent QB under his belt before Manning came to Indy. I like how you did not mention how Wayne had one of his best years in his career during Lucks rookie year in 2012. Did these players make Manning who he was? Absolutely not. Did they help, of course. His weapons helped him just as much as he helped them. You think Jeremy Kerley could've put up Harrison type numbers with Manning? Take a look at Welker's career numbers before he went to the Pats and you can see with your argument you contradict yourself. Is Welker the best slot WR of this generation or is he strictly a by product of Brady? Which one is it? You made it seem as if Wayne and Harrison sucked but Manning made them into all time greats but don't acknowledge the same for Welker with Brady. Interesting. If you put Manning or Brady on a team full of scrubs they probably won't do well. Football is a team game you need talent around you. All I am saying is Manning has consistently played with an abundance of talented players throughout his career like nearly no other QB ever has. You like to point out how all these players Manning had were "terrible" but Manning made them, however, the same can't be said about Brady? And why does everyone mention BB but doesn't mention how Manning also had a HOF coach in Dungy (He was great in Tampa before Indy so did Manning make him too?). This isn't me bashing Manning BTW, he is still an all time great QB. In early 2014 when eight NFL personnel men were asked the simple question, who is the better quarterback right now? Seven of the eight took Brady over Manning, who won his fifth MVP that year. (Mind you this was when Manning was coming off of the greatest QB season of all time). When asked what their answer would have been last year, and it was 6-2 Brady. Five years ago? That vote was tied 4-4. Overall, there was a central theme among the voters: While Manning is a more physically gifted thrower, Brady is the better overall quarterback because he has done more with less. Ryan Clark played against them both and said he would take Brady over Manning in a must win game and he doesn't even need to think about it. "When you think about Peyton Manning, you think about numbers, when you think about Tom Brady, you think about championships." - Ray Lewis
  22. Peyton Manning easily has the best stats of any QB ever there is no question about it, but how much should that matter in terms of who's better or the greatest. In 16 season Joe Montana only threw for 273TDs compared to Mannings 539TDs does that mean he is easily better than Montana? How players perform in big games and postseason matters, a lot. Same argument is used when people say Jordan is easily better than LeBron because Jordan thrived in the big games and was clutch.
  23. Ryan Clark who actually played and prepared against both of them numerous times said on First Take if he had a game to win he would go with Brady and its not even close or something you even think about. Clark thought preparing for Brady was much harder. Said something along the lines of Manning was basically a smart game manager who got his team into the right play but "didnt do alot". Clark said he was nervous playing against Brady and that he knew exactly what the Steelers were doing on nearly every play. Manning also had 5x the offensive talent that Brady did so thats why I think he put up better numbers. Brady did however have the better defense until Manning went to DEN which probably helped him get more SB and wins. People keep bringing up Bradys coach as if Manning didn't have a HOF coach in Dungy as well. What does it for me is Manning has a 3-5 TD/INT ratio and a 77.4 passer rating in 4 super bowls. Brady has a 13-4 TD/INT ratio and a 95.3 passer rating in 6 super bowls. Throughout his career Manning has always seemed to underperform when it was a big game compared to Tom who thrived when the pressure was on. In terms of who each had on offense throughout their careers: Edgerrin James- borderline HOF runningback, fastest & youngest player to 12,000 yards from scrimmage, 11th all time leading rusher Marvin Harrison- 3rd all time career reception, 5th all time career receiving TD, 7th all time receiving yards (should be in the HOF) Reggie Wayne- 7th all time reception leader , 8th all time receiving yards Dallas Clark- Great TE for a short period of time but got killed by injuries Demaryius Thomas- Stud so far Eric Decker- Stud so far Wes Welker for 1 great year then got hurt Julius Thomas - Stud so far? Emmanuel Sanders- Good WR Brady's weapons - Moss (1 year, broke nearly ever record at the time) Gronk (6 years) Welker (6 years) Edelman- Former QB turned WR
  24. I feel like this exact same thing happened a year or two ago where everyone thought the same thing thats going on right now. It's hard not to be worried when you invested a high pick on him but FWIW i think it's either his mechanics or dead arm.
  25. Since when did Lincys fastball top out at 91? Im a little worried tbh