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Serge Ibaka 2012-2013 Season Outlook

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To be honest, I think he can keep it going at a 14-15 PT clip given his silky midrange pop and put backs / easy flush dimes at the basket. Perkins isn't really involved in the offensive game and only so many scorers on this team outside of Durant and Westbrook

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Kevin Martin

To be honest, I think he can keep it going at a 14-15 PT clip given his silky midrange pop and put backs / easy flush dimes at the basket. Perkins isn't really involved in the offensive game and only so many scorers on this team outside of Durant and Westbrook

I agree--I meant to include Martin.

So if KD / RWB / Martin average 70 a game, about 20-30 have to come from else where!

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I don't think it's outlandish or unrealistic for Ibaka to average around 15 PPG. I personally have always thought once he busted onto the scene, that he had the talent to develop into a very good all around player(not just a defensive specialist). As Durant and Westbrook continue to develop into better playmakers, not just for themselves, but for others, Ibaka will continue to benefit (and show his talent).

There has already been some very good discussion on Ibaka's potential in his past threads over the last couple years.

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Unless he becomes a double digit rebounder, I can't touch him in the 2nd. I'd rather draft so many other bigs over him since he's so one dimensional. Give me a Gasol over him any day. I got him in the 4th round (10 tm) last yr and I thought it was a reach especially since he didn't warm up and start having block parties until later on in the season. Brooks screwing with his mins. last yr was a pain :angry: . 3rd round, if he there's, I might just take a second glance.

You was way wrong.

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11 minutes in first half? What's up in OKC? Dude has been beasting and this s insane? Scott Brooks, wake up and smell the coffee.

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That's what you got from that link? I'd rather he get another 2 rebounds a game. The 14-15ppg is a nice bump in line with the uptick in minutes. Haven't seen the same on the glass.

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My god. Monster tonight. Past two nights guys been rebounding more. Hopefully he can keep it up.

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First monster rebounding game of the year. Hopefully more of these to come in the future.

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Great game for Ibaka. I'm sure he had extra motivation tonight with SJax in SA's lineup.

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This dude paired with Chris Paul, or a strong point guard in general, is the perfect key to win a league. He's rebounding like an animal lately, and showing serious offensive skills. Top 5 player if he keeps this up. Even his FT% is strong, and I don't mean for a big man. I mean strong for any position in the NBA.

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This dude paired with Chris Paul, or a strong point guard in general, is the perfect key to win a league. He's rebounding like an animal lately, and showing serious offensive skills. Top 5 player if he keeps this up. Even his FT% is strong, and I don't mean for a big man. I mean strong for any position in the NBA.

My 1st RD pick was Chris Paul. My 3rd RD pick was Serge Ibaka.

I also got Goran Dragic and Anthony Davis. (Both scaled down versions but also offer similar strengths)

I am in 9th place. :mellow:

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This dude paired with Chris Paul, or a strong point guard in general, is the perfect key to win a league. He's rebounding like an animal lately, and showing serious offensive skills. Top 5 player if he keeps this up. Even his FT% is strong, and I don't mean for a big man. I mean strong for any position in the NBA.

My 1st RD pick was Chris Paul. My 3rd RD pick was Serge Ibaka.

I also got Goran Dragic and Anthony Davis. (Both scaled down versions but also offer similar strengths)

I am in 9th place. :mellow:

Davis hasn't helped you much with his injuries. You should post your team in your signature.

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My 1st RD pick was Chris Paul. My 3rd RD pick was Serge Ibaka.

I also got Goran Dragic and Anthony Davis. (Both scaled down versions but also offer similar strengths)

I am in 9th place. :mellow:

I know this isn't really the appropriate place to be talking about individual team performance, but I just had to investigate your odd situation. And seeing that Dirk, Davis, and Leonard have each missed significant time, as well as Klay starting the season off slowly, it's no surprise your team is underperforming. I can assure you it won't for much longer though as it rounds into shape. Sometimes a long season is a good thing!

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Sell high or expect more of the same?

I wouldn' expect numbers like today on the regular, or he'd be ranked like #1 or #2, but I'm holding. He's growing as a player right in front of our eyes. Everytime I think he's hit his ceiling, including last year, he blows the roof off, and has a block party, or a monster double double.

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Sell high or expect more of the same?

There won't be many more offensive outbursts to the scale of tonight, but his expanded offensive abilities certainly isn't a fluke. He's got a much improved release on the ball, which has resulted in much better shooting percentages for both FG and FT. Of course, better percentages means more points, so maintaining his current 14.2ppg mark isn't going to be difficult at all. If anything, Ibaka can only improve as this season progresses, as his rebounding rate is below last season and the year before.

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My 1st RD pick was Chris Paul. My 3rd RD pick was Serge Ibaka.

I also got Goran Dragic and Anthony Davis. (Both scaled down versions but also offer similar strengths)

I am in 9th place. :mellow:

I know this isn't really the appropriate place to be talking about individual team performance, but I just had to investigate your odd situation. And seeing that Dirk, Davis, and Leonard have each missed significant time, as well as Klay starting the season off slowly, it's no surprise your team is underperforming. I can assure you it won't for much longer though as it rounds into shape. Sometimes a long season is a good thing!

If Dirk comes back healthy, that team DOES look pretty solid.

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Ibaka is my favorite big man in fantasy. Great percentages and good peripherals (minus assists). Him and Maec Gasol are really getting it done this year

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I don't think the average Ibaka-less team owner understands just how valuable this guy is. Unless your getting back stupid talent in a trade (Lebron, Durant, Paul, Kobe, Jefferson, etc) you will likely sell for less than he's worth. Keep em

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My 1st RD pick was Chris Paul. My 3rd RD pick was Serge Ibaka.

I also got Goran Dragic and Anthony Davis. (Both scaled down versions but also offer similar strengths)

I am in 9th place. :mellow:

I know this isn't really the appropriate place to be talking about individual team performance, but I just had to investigate your odd situation. And seeing that Dirk, Davis, and Leonard have each missed significant time, as well as Klay starting the season off slowly, it's no surprise your team is underperforming. I can assure you it won't for much longer though as it rounds into shape. Sometimes a long season is a good thing!

If Dirk comes back healthy, that team DOES look pretty solid.

Its pretty funny because I have a collective record of 4-3 but my categories are under 0.500 and out of those 4 wins two matchups have been against the teams in 1st and 2nd overall. I was agonizing between him and Curry when I drafted and either way it would've worked but I figured I needed Ibaka more than Curry. Not even I expected this type of growth though. When I picked him I envisioned having Serge dominate BLKs and Paul dominate STLs. He was the first player mentioned by opposing teams when we were talking trade, it was almost comical. I am not ever one to say anybody is untouchable but most of the offers were just crap. I just gracefully decline. I am tempted to go full AC Forum with you guys and discuss some trade scenarios but I must refrain. It kind of pisses me off seeing the caliber of players NOT on my team anymore though.

We should get back to Serge specifically though... I think he finishes the year ranked 8th overall. His hyper efficiency combined with his elite BLK totals is really an insane combo. Considering the minutes/skill increase I am surprised he does not get more REBs. His FT% looks to decrease, but thankfully that is not a big part of his value. I am not surprised he is averaging less BLKs though. It seems to be the trend that when your offensive game expands and you take on more responsibility your BLKing decreases. I have no really analysis to support this though. Just kind of a gut thing.

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My theory of why Ibaka doesn't rebound as strongly as other Centers directly coincides with his blocking effort. Your average PF/C, on defense, stands with his chest to the hoop during and after a shot against his team on most occasions. These strong rebounders focus on fighting for positioning to rebound. Ibaka, Diandre Jordan, Javale Mcgee, and even Brook Lopez more often then not, stand either sideways, or with their back to the hoop, and chest to the opposition, anticipating a block attempt. This puts these shot-blockers at a disadvantage for rebounds.

This isn't always the case on every play, but it is something you can watch during games, and see for yourself. It makes you wonder, is it worth committing to blocks and leading the league, or is it more effective just to block the very necessary shots while his presence alone alters the driving players' shot. I think this is exactly what Ibaka is experimenting with lately, and thus, has rebounded a bit better. Just food for thought, I guess.

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My theory of why Ibaka doesn't rebound as strongly as other Centers directly coincides with his blocking effort. Your average PF/C, on defense, stands with his chest to the hoop during and after a shot against his team on most occasions. These strong rebounders focus on fighting for positioning to rebound. Ibaka, Diandre Jordan, Javale Mcgee, and even Brook Lopez more often then not, stand either sideways, or with their back to the hoop, and chest to the opposition, anticipating a block attempt. This puts these shot-blockers at a disadvantage for rebounds.

This isn't always the case on every play, but it is something you can watch during games, and see for yourself. It makes you wonder, is it worth committing to blocks and leading the league, or is it more effective just to block the very necessary shots while his presence alone alters the driving players' shot. I think this is exactly what Ibaka is experimenting with lately, and thus, has rebounded a bit better. Just food for thought, I guess.

Interesting point, but both his blocks and rebounding rates are down this year when looking at per-36s. With his expanded offense, I hope he's not committing too much focus on that side of the court and slacking off a bit defensively.

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