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On ‎12‎/‎29‎/‎2017 at 11:36 PM, hoppychokes said:

I've played in leagues with couples and never had issues of collusion. I'm honestly curious as to why there are would be worries about collusion, do the same worries occur in poker or other games?

 

 

I think the point is that if you're playing in the same league with your SO there is more likely of a chance of collusion than if its a bunch of buddies or strangers. 

 

For example If one member of the relationship is doing well and on the verge of playoffs while the other is already eliminated, if given the chance some couples may exploit the advantage of having two teams to better the chances of the playoff hopeful team getting in.  I don't think its that much of a stretch to see a scenario of one asking the other to pickup a player to block his or her opponent. 

 

That being said, I don't see anything wrong with discussing sit/starts but Im on the fence about pickups and drops.  You could make a case that they would have an advantage over the other teams in the league by knowing which player each is selecting and/or for how much.

 

For the poker item, TBH when my buddy and I go to the casino and play against strangers we do have a signal that we use when one of us has a very good hand.  Its not for the purpose of the other betting up the pot its to save him from giving more money to the house and potentially the other player if the other were to lose.  I would consider that cheating because one player at the table is privileged with information that the others do not have, same could be said about the example above. 

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59 minutes ago, CooL said:

 

No disrespect meant, as there are certainly leagues of all shapes and sizes.  But I think if my entry fee is $25, it just wouldn't be worth the mental anguish to worry about people colluding...

 

Agreed. It's a friends league and it was actually a free league before I met her. I convinced her to create an entry fee and a prize pool because people actually pay a little closer attention when there's something on the line.

 

Of course, I'm competitive enough that I'd be watching people for colluding in a free league :D

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14 minutes ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said:

That's why you gotta remove those abilities from the hands of the league and just put it in the hands of the commissioner who should basically just push every trade through.  Even TRAPES.  TRAPES are a part of the game.  If you are fortunate enough to be on the good side of one of those you know how much work you put into it and how amazing it felt when that clown hit the accept button lol.

 

Couldn't agree with this more.  A good commish is going to look at every trade from an unbiased stance and if no collusion is determined, trade processes.

 

I had a guy in my league trade Diggs for Amendola this year after week 4 when Diggs was the #1 WR.  I went cross-eyed when I first looked at it and couldn't understand why the one owner was basically giving Diggs away.  I shot him a text asking him why he wanted to do the trade and he responded by saying he wasn't super confident in Diggs and felt better about Amendola.  Trade processed. 

 

Turns out he was right about Diggs, he did regress from that point.  But he was wrong about the player he was getting in return, either way no one can see the future let owners run their own teams.

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34 minutes ago, CooL said:

TRAPES.  Ha, I've never heard that term.  But I've seen a lot of TRAPES in the past and they just get pushed through.  Usually it happens when one guy way overvalues somebody and believes him to be a league winner.

 

And completely agree about the "find a new league" comment.  If you're playing with your childhood friends, and you've got this stupid rule in place that you don't like, you're not just going to leave the league with all your friends.  You're going to have an adult discussion about it.  You're going to present your arguments for changing the rule.  And you're going to make your league better for it.  My league is so much happier when we got rid of the veto rule.  They were happier when we finally moved to FAAB.  You tinker with your league settings and rules to make it more enjoyable for all, which after all, is the name of the game.  (Aside from winning the MFing trophy and some money.)

 

lol totally agree and well said.  My league made both changes you mentioned BTW.  

 

We created an argument for the changes, presented the evidence for the changes (lot of it was from places like this), then voted on the changes.  The evidence FOR really helped in swaying some votes IMO and I've definitely enjoyed it and think we've been better for the changes.

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32 minutes ago, Flynfiesta6 said:

 

That being said, I don't see anything wrong with discussing sit/starts but Im on the fence about pickups and drops.  You could make a case that they would have an advantage over the other teams in the league by knowing which player each is selecting and/or for how much.

 

 

Yeah, just wait for the day when one partner knows the other is trying to claim some hyped waiver player for $35 and they use that knowledge to bid $36 and steal the claim.

 

You'll find that collusion will no longer be a problem between those two :D

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1 minute ago, bwarbiany said:

 

Yeah, just wait for the day when one partner knows the other is trying to claim some hyped waiver player for $35 and they use that knowledge to bid $36 and steal the claim.

 

You'll find that collusion will no longer be a problem between those two :D

 

Lol yeah I would imagine!

 

But redirecting that amount to another player to bid on was more what I was getting at.

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34 minutes ago, Corleone said:

Everyone's league is unique, but here's how I look at the whole veto thing. My main league is a league full of friends and has a veto system...but we haven't had one trade blocked in 12 years. There have been an occasional stray vetoes thrown out here or there, but nothing to lead to it going to commish review for the final review (I personally have never used the veto myself). How have we accomplished this across 12 seasons, in which every owner does their best to win?

 

1. We don't make collusive trades that would warrant a veto and overturn.

2. We don't make non-collusive but blatantly unfair deals that would cause an uproar. This is accomplished by having owners that know their stuff.

3. We treat others the way we want to be treated. Perhaps that's a cliche, but nobody wants to see their own deal vetoed...so why do it to others and create a poisonous environment?

 

With that said, for those in leagues where vetoes are a problem, it makes sense to get rid of the veto system and see what happens from there. 

 

If you played in a 1 TE league and had Gronk and Ertz and at trade deadline were trying to deal Gronk for a WR1 and were already a playoff team before the trade, I'd veto you for sure.

 

Would I want it to be done to me?  Of course not. 

 

Would it be collusive?  Nope, it would probably be a completely fair deal. 

Would it cause an uproar if someone looked at this trade without looking at the rest of your roster before and after?  Probably not.

But would I want to play against you in the playoffs?  Hell no.  And if I have recourse to slow you down a bit, I probably would.

 

Is it scummy?  Sure, but why would you ever leave your fate in my hands to decide...

 

That being said, your league is clearly better people than my league if it's worked for 12 years, so keep doing you and congrats to be playing with the Sportsmen of the year lol.

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1 hour ago, SharkSwimmer said:

I think every team manager should play to win within the rules and league settings of the league they are in.  If your league has majority vote veto, you should scare up some votes and veto any trades that help your opponents.  My rival has two great TEs and he can't start them both?  Block him from trading  one of them with a veto.  But I would prefer not to be in a league like that...

I'd kick you out if that was your explanation for a veto...simple.

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Leagues should have "commissioner only" veto.  That lets team managers trade in a way they believe will improve their team.

 

But if leagues allow majority vote veto, a team manager should use it if he or she thinks the trade will make a dangerous rival stronger.

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1 minute ago, psygolf said:

I'd kick you out if that was your explanation for a veto...simple.

For using the league settings for maximum competitive advantage?  Interesting philosophy...

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Just now, SharkSwimmer said:

For using the league settings for maximum competitive advantage?  Interesting philosophy...

"an honest man's pillow is his peace of mind"

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12 minutes ago, psygolf said:

I'd kick you out if that was your explanation for a veto...simple.

 

4 minutes ago, psygolf said:

"an honest man's pillow is his peace of mind"

So you would take the high moral ground and play "fairly", while the rest of your league maximizes the rule and setting to their own advantage?  Good luck.  Nobody wins in fantasy football for being virtuous.  I'd kick you out as commissioner if you had this rule in place and you feel that you can kick people out for using it.

 

Does the NFL allow the other 30 teams to vote on a potential trade between two teams?  I think not.

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1 hour ago, Flynfiesta6 said:

For the poker item, TBH when my buddy and I go to the casino and play against strangers we do have a signal that we use when one of us has a very good hand.  Its not for the purpose of the other betting up the pot its to save him from giving more money to the house and potentially the other player if the other were to lose.  I would consider that cheating because one player at the table is privileged with information that the others do not have, same could be said about the example above. 

 

Dude, this is one of the worst forms of cheating possible. There is no way that you can justify doing this. Not a great example to use to make your point.

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4 minutes ago, nonstopfan said:

 

Dude, this is one of the worst forms of cheating possible. There is no way that you can justify doing this. Not a great example to use to make your point.

 

lol, I was kind of thinking that when I read that post too.

 

Not only is it "wrong", but pretty sure that's the kind of thing that gets you thrown into the basement's of casinos and beaten up for if you're caught.  

 

Basically equivalent of super collusion in fantasy football lol.

 

At least the post clearly admits he knows this is cheating.

Edited by Dreams And Dwightmares

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Just now, CooL said:

 

So you would take the high moral ground and play "fairly", while the rest of your league maximizes the rule and setting to their own advantage?  Good luck.  Nobody wins in fantasy football for being virtuous.  I'd kick you out as commissioner if you had this rule in place and you feel that you can kick people out for using it.

 

Does the NFL allow the other 30 teams to vote on a potential trade between two teams?  I think not.

I am in a 16 team league that has a mere 4 veto vote needed to stop a trade, a few of my trades have been stopped by one (immature) owner...I never retaliated.  Our commissioner eventually warned this owner that he would be removed for a "spite veto" in the future.

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50 minutes ago, psygolf said:

I am in a 16 team league that has a mere 4 veto vote needed to stop a trade, a few of my trades have been stopped by one (immature) owner...I never retaliated.  Our commissioner eventually warned this owner that he would be removed for a "spite veto" in the future.

I understand where you are coming from, but I think you are still not quite getting it.  Let's try a different example.  You get to the championship game, and you have 3 good running backs that you decide to play.  But your opponent only has two good running backs, and there is a good running back available in free agency because the starter on his real NFL team got hurt.  You have more FAAB dollars than your opponent, but you would not consider starting the free agent running back over your three.  Would you consider it "spiteful" to outbid your opponent, denying him the free agent running back, only to bench him and keep your opponent from playing him?

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1 hour ago, nonstopfan said:

 

Dude, this is one of the worst forms of cheating possible. There is no way that you can justify doing this. Not a great example to use to make your point.

 

Not only that, but a very large leak for any player at the table who figures out what’s going on

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1 hour ago, SharkSwimmer said:

I understand where you are coming from, but I think you are still not quite getting it.  Let's try a different example.  You get to the championship game, and you have 3 good running backs that you decide to play.  But your opponent only has two good running backs, and there is a good running back available in free agency because the starter on his real NFL team got hurt.  You have more FAAB dollars than your opponent, but you would not consider starting the free agent running back over your three.  Would you consider it "spiteful" to outbid your opponent, denying him the free agent running back, only to bench him and keep your opponent from playing him?

Do unspent FAAB dollars carry over to next year...like vacation time?

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2 hours ago, nonstopfan said:

 

Dude, this is one of the worst forms of cheating possible. There is no way that you can justify doing this. Not a great example to use to make your point.

 

Disagree but respect your opinion. 

 

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11 minutes ago, psygolf said:

Do unspent FAAB dollars carry over to next year...like vacation time?

No, you have to spend them or you lose them.

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2 hours ago, Dreams And Dwightmares said:

 

lol, I was kind of thinking that when I read that post too.

 

Not only is it "wrong", but pretty sure that's the kind of thing that gets you thrown into the basement's of casinos and beaten up for if you're caught.  

 

Basically equivalent of super collusion in fantasy football lol.

 

At least the post clearly admits he knows this is cheating.

 

Im not playing for 3 stacks of high society so I doubt there would be any beatings! 

 

Like I said, I only do it with my buddy at a casino against strangers and its a very subtle hint to which he can choose to play off of or not.  As for my other opponents at the table, I don't know them and they don't know my hand or the fact that I let my friend know that I had a strong hand.  Therefore they are going to play as they would have if we had a signal or not.  You could also make the case that I am hurting myself more times than not, if a stranger was sitting in my buddies seat I would be earning less money if I were to win the hand.

 

I don't know If you or the other guy has played at a casino with a rake or not but the less money you can give to the house the better.

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Just now, SharkSwimmer said:

No, you have to spend them or you lose them.

Then, not only would having the most FAAB money come week 16 be poor team management, but not spending would also be a perpetuation of living dangerously ...I mean, you brought up a fairly random scenario above, but what if your RB1 pulled his hamstring in warm-ups, and you foolishly sat on your purse because of a false sense of confidence?   I wouldn't recommend it.

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3 hours ago, nonstopfan said:

There is no way that you can justify doing this. Not a great example to use to make your point.

 

I was making the reference to sharing information that the others at the table (or in the league) are not privy too.  Is that an unfair advantage? Absolutely.  Same could be said about a couple who are in the same league and share information and cause an effect in how things would normally shake out.

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19 minutes ago, psygolf said:

Then, not only would having the most FAAB money come week 16 be poor team management, but not spending would also be a perpetuation of living dangerously ...I mean, you brought up a fairly random scenario above, but what if your RB1 pulled his hamstring in warm-ups, and you foolishly sat on your purse because of a false sense of confidence?   I wouldn't recommend it.

You didn't answer my question.  

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