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Nikola Jokic 2017-18 Season Outlook

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A lot of people thought I was reaching in 2nd round for the Joker last year. Turns out most people did not reach enough.

 

A lot of people will legit pick him up in the late first round this year. With another year under his belt, more strength/conditioning in the summer and another passing big in Paul Milsap feeding him, its time to unleash the BEAST.

 

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/9/14/16308136/nikola-jokic-ranked-16th-overall-on-espns-nbarank

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2017/8/17/16164624/denver-nuggets-nikola-jokic-has-odds-to-win-the-2017-2018-nba-mvp-russell-westbrook-james-harden

 

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Got him 10/11 in my 10 team league with John Wall. Really excited for him.

Projecting: .530 FG%/ .810 FT%/ 0.6 3PM/ 10.5 Reb/ 6 Ast/ 1 Stl/ 0.8 Blk/ 19.5 Pts

(seems doable, but hopefully even better then what I projected)

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In a 11 cat 10 team league. With FGM and FTM as a stat do you still choose Jokic over Boogie? I feel like with those 2 stats Boogie should be taken earlier.

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boogie will probably average close to 5PPG more than Jokic, so adding more scoring categories obviously boosts his value.

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I take Joker over Boogie in 9 cat. People gotta realize hes a center who drops triple-doubles with elite percentages, hes a unicorn.

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If you're picking Jokic you're going to be picking near the end of the first round. What's a good punting strategy for him? I'm thinking go with CP3 (if available) or Dray and punt points. Jokic's %s are good anchors for a punt points build.

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Draymond would put you in a tough spot because his percentages would basically kill Jokic's contributions there. I would probably take Wall/Kyrie/Lillard to shore up PG and still get some well rounded stats. Or overload on bigs and go Turner/Porzinigs.

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13 hours ago, BMart519 said:

Draymond would put you in a tough spot because his percentages would basically kill Jokic's contributions there. I would probably take Wall/Kyrie/Lillard to shore up PG and still get some well rounded stats. Or overload on bigs and go Turner/Porzinigs.

 

I'm only commenting on this as for my keeper league, I currently have Jokic, Lillard, Turner and Porzinigs
 

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On 9/18/2017 at 5:03 PM, SicarioSanity said:

If you're picking Jokic you're going to be picking near the end of the first round. What's a good punting strategy for him? I'm thinking go with CP3 (if available) or Dray and punt points. Jokic's %s are good anchors for a punt points build.

 

I think Wall is good because you're still competitive in blocks - somewhere around 1.2 (floor) - 1.8 (ceiling) blks/game between the two of them.  And he offers just as many assists as CP3 (or close), with elite steals, and he gives you more points (you don't have to punt points yet, say if you can get derozan or love or other high scoring options later in the draft).

 

CP3's % are probably better for your build than Drays.  But Dray has that appeal somewhat like Jokic in out of position stat diversity.  

 

Lillard you're still good in every cat but need to shore up blocks and steals...if you could land someone like Gasol in the 3rd and Millsap in the 4th, Noel later in the draft.  But then you're light on points...so maybe roll the dice with Embiid if he's there in the 3rd...

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On 15-9-2017 at 9:56 PM, rage2021 said:

A lot of people thought I was reaching in 2nd round for the Joker last year. Turns out most people did not reach enough.

 

A lot of people will legit pick him up in the late first round this year. With another year under his belt, more strength/conditioning in the summer and another passing big in Paul Milsap feeding him, its time to unleash the BEAST.

 

With all due respect but this is a sh*t topic if I ever saw one mate. You came in here to brag about how right you were without adding much, if any, substance to a thread you felt you needed to create? Man...

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2 hours ago, PuzzBeterson said:

 

With all due respect but this is a sh*t topic if I ever saw one mate. You came in here to brag about how right you were without adding much, if any, substance to a thread you felt you needed to create? Man...

 

The Joker is going to run WILD on you!! I added the two links and made a prediction he is going to take another step this year so I don't get the hate. Anyways back to topic I am predicting 22 ppg/12.5 rebs/ 6.5 assists with 55%+FG, hoping he can provide the 1/1/1 as well. If he drops those types of numbers I guess he jumps into the top 5, we'll see. My main thing with Joker is he basically hovered around ~30 mpg during his streak so there is  room for more run and I read he was working on his conditioning to last longer during the season.

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The main reason his minutes weren't that high was his propensity to commit silly, lazy fouls early in games.  It seemed like one of every three games he had 2 or 3 fouls in the 1st quarter/half which kept his minutes in check.  Hopefully he will learn that he isn't a premier shot blocker and that he can't help his team sitting on the bench.  Let's be honest, he isn't a good defender either so there's no reason for the silly fouls.  

 

Elite FG% and REB with an outside chance at a triple 1.. sign me up anytime after pick 6

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On 9/18/2017 at 11:03 PM, SicarioSanity said:

If you're picking Jokic you're going to be picking near the end of the first round. What's a good punting strategy for him? I'm thinking go with CP3 (if available) or Dray and punt points. Jokic's %s are good anchors for a punt points build.

 

Punt blocks. Get a Lillard, Kyrie type to pair early to help with points and go for other bigs with low blocks that dime with decent %s and ok steals, horford, K-Love (FG% might hurt a bit, but should have a good year), Blake Griffin, Willy Hernangomez, maybe even thad (who could have a decent year on a bad team as he has done in the past), JaM Green, 

 

People rarely ever punts blocks and its never an easy cat to dominate unless to get one or even two of the elite shot blockers. You'll need some steals specialist somewhere though. Probs mid rounds

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58 minutes ago, Jake the snake said:

 

Punt blocks. Get a Lillard, Kyrie type to pair early to help with points and go for other bigs with low blocks that dime with decent %s and ok steals, horford, K-Love (FG% might hurt a bit, but should have a good year), Blake Griffin, Willy Hernangomez, maybe even thad (who could have a decent year on a bad team as he has done in the past), JaM Green, 

 

People rarely ever punts blocks and its never an easy cat to dominate unless to get one or even two of the elite shot blockers. You'll need some steals specialist somewhere though. Probs mid rounds

Thanks man, appreciate the detailed feedback. I've never punted blocks before, seems like a good strat. Never liked Blake though, always a head case when it comes to injury. Vucevic is a good target I'm thinking. Good point about KLove and Willy though. Assists and steals might be hard to come by though. 

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Why punt blocks?

If you pick 8-10th, you probably will have a shot at Whiteside and Gobert, and pick even someone in the later rounds as Adams or RoLo.

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i want to draft him so bad but its so tough to draft a first rounder that is neutral in threes steals and blocks. Makes you compensate somewhere else and you end up reaching for guys.

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5 hours ago, dekciw_1 said:

Why punt blocks?

If you pick 8-10th, you probably will have a shot at Whiteside and Gobert, and pick even someone in the later rounds as Adams or RoLo.

 

Sure but you're very low on points...beasting on boards FG and blocks tho

 

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2 hours ago, verismo said:

i want to draft him so bad but its so tough to draft a first rounder that is neutral in threes steals and blocks. Makes you compensate somewhere else and you end up reaching for guys.

 

Not necessarily...in fact he gives you out of position 3's which is a plus.  So he's a little light in steals and blocks but isn't weak in those cats either, and does have some monster games which is great for H2H.  

 

If you pair with Wall then you're doing very well in steals and blocks (out of position blocks from PG slot), elite in assists, average in 3's, good in points.  CP3 (who is more likely to be available) also shores up steals and 3's.  From there you could punt blocks and take Love and Griffin with your next two picks, giving you an initial lineup of 

CP3

Jokic

Love

Griffin

Not quite sure how I feel about that.  But % wise you're doing pretty good, assists and boards are beast mode, 3's are good, you're still good in points, TO are relatively manageable, probably need some steals with your next two picks (Rubio/Russel/Ro-co/Middleton/Noel).  Thoughts?

 

 

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12 minutes ago, hipriest69 said:

 

Not necessarily...in fact he gives you out of position 3's which is a plus.  So he's a little light in steals and blocks but isn't weak in those cats either, and does have some monster games which is great for H2H.  

 

If you pair with Wall then you're doing very well in steals and blocks (out of position blocks from PG slot), elite in assists, average in 3's, good in points.  CP3 (who is more likely to be available) also shores up steals and 3's.  From there you could punt blocks and take Love and Griffin with your next two picks, giving you an initial lineup of 

CP3

Jokic

Love

Griffin

Not quite sure how I feel about that.  But % wise you're doing pretty good, assists and boards are beast mode, 3's are good, you're still good in points, TO are relatively manageable, probably need some steals with your next two picks (Rubio/Russel/Ro-co/Middleton/Noel).  Thoughts?

 

 

I like the thought.  Between Wall and CP3, you're correct that CP3 is more likely available.  He's a better fit anyway.  IMO the biggest strength of Jokic is his incredible efficiency, an elite FG anchor without hurting you elsewhere.  Combine that with CP3, who is one of the most efficient players in the league (excellent FG for a big man, best  A/TO ratio in the league, elite FT%), and you're well on your way to elite efficiency.  In theory I like following that up with Love/Griffin.  In reality I've rarely seen both of them make it back to the turn of the third.  Additionally, you're not getting Rubio, Russell, or Middleton back in the 5th.  Even if you do pull it off, you're likely punting blocks, which is fine.  But I think punting points with that pair is a lot more likely as most GMs overdraft points.  

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14 hours ago, hipriest69 said:

 

Not necessarily...in fact he gives you out of position 3's which is a plus.  So he's a little light in steals and blocks but isn't weak in those cats either, and does have some monster games which is great for H2H.  

 

If you pair with Wall then you're doing very well in steals and blocks (out of position blocks from PG slot), elite in assists, average in 3's, good in points.  CP3 (who is more likely to be available) also shores up steals and 3's.  From there you could punt blocks and take Love and Griffin with your next two picks, giving you an initial lineup of 

CP3

Jokic

Love

Griffin

Not quite sure how I feel about that.  But % wise you're doing pretty good, assists and boards are beast mode, 3's are good, you're still good in points, TO are relatively manageable, probably need some steals with your next two picks (Rubio/Russel/Ro-co/Middleton/Noel).  Thoughts?

 

 

 

griffin leaves you mediocre in ft%, i don't think cp3 and love are good enough anchors to help you beat the best ft% teams.

you'll still be below average in steals, rubio is not going to be available in the 5th, and if you draft russell/noel, you're bringing your ft% down even more.

Love and cp3 are not good enough to make you a top dog in 3s, and the first 4 rounds should dictate your dominating stats, so what're you really dominating? Rebounds, fg% and tos. Thats it

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3 hours ago, verismo said:

 

griffin leaves you mediocre in ft%, i don't think cp3 and love are good enough anchors to help you beat the best ft% teams.

you'll still be below average in steals, rubio is not going to be available in the 5th, and if you draft russell/noel, you're bringing your ft% down even more.

Love and cp3 are not good enough to make you a top dog in 3s, and the first 4 rounds should dictate your dominating stats, so what're you really dominating? Rebounds, fg% and tos. Thats it

 

I think I'm going to defend my point a bit.  

 

Actually I think this team would be elite in FT since you have two bigs that are well above average in FT in Jokic and Love.  Griffin isn't terrible at FT either, he shot 76% last year and 72% the previous two years.  And who are these hypothetical best ft% teams?  It would be better to state something like "this team (up to this point) should win FT most weeks and it will be a toss up against the other teams with good ft shooters".  Because really that's the truth in every category.  You can aim to "dominate" but the reality is that they still have to play the games, and all you can do is hope for the best, averages and percentages be dammed.  If you're worried about your FT so much then take other players who give you steals without hurting your FT.  

 

The fact that this team has Love and Jokic, both provide out of position 3's.  CP3 in Houston will be elite in 3's, so I believe this combo is enough to give you a base to be elite or close to it.  

 

And you're elite in assists, as CP3 will lead the league or be close to it, Jokic and Griffin are also elite at their positions for assists.  You basically have 3 points guards on your team so far.  Griffin will be handling the ball even more without CP3, so expecting 5/game is totally reasonable.  

 

I think we're doing great in most categories and elite (or close to "dominating") in assists, rebounds, 3's, FT%...while still being very good in points and TO, competitive to above average in FG%, and competitive in steals with the opportunity to makeup steals and even blocks depending on who's available (although its a punt blocks build), if you're competitive you might win a week or two here and there against the worst block teams.  

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How do you guys think will Millsap's presence impact Jokic? Would you pick Jokic over someone like Lebron? I'm picking 11 in a 12 team H2H league. From what I know those two will be the best players available.

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