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Kawhi Leonard 2017-2018 Season Outlook

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47 minutes ago, Taipan said:

A player knows his body better than any doctor and why should he have to play in pain and discomfort? My only problem with Kawhi has been the lack of information about his condition over the past months

 

Before the season started I was targeting Leonard until I heard about the injury and I pretty much completely removed him from my draft board. Not because I saw this coming, but because the Spurs play games. They have zero interest in being transparent. 

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6 minutes ago, Purple Hippo said:

Worst first round pick in fantasy basketball history?  Hard to argue against it.

Haha. So Kawhi is the Anthony Bennett of fantasy basketball.

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3 hours ago, Taipan said:

A player knows his body better than any doctor and why should he have to play in pain and discomfort? My only problem with Kawhi has been the lack of information about his condition over the past months

It sounds hard to believe but maybe Spurs are in the dark as well? Maybe Kawhi has left the team for a period of time, looked for other opinions on his own, and the team has been disconnected. It's really strange.

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46 minutes ago, Gile Pile said:

What are the expectations for next season?   Back to his old self?

 

Who knows. Maybe a minute restriction and B2B, the Embiid program

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1 hour ago, Gile Pile said:

What are the expectations for next season?   Back to his old self?

Who knows right now way too early to say anything except that the earliest you should draft kawhi (at least as a spur) is 2nd round

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Pops is putting the ball in his court and applying pressure. Kawhi will be back soon, you guys are going to look back at this post and smile. :D

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1 hour ago, Purple Hippo said:

Worst first round pick in fantasy basketball history?  Hard to argue against it.

No question. 13-14 Marc Gasol and 12-13 Josh Smith (ADP of 12, finished #92 lol) were the previous worst but they don't come close to this disaster.

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51 minutes ago, tamz07 said:

Pops is putting the ball in his court and applying pressure. Kawhi will be back soon, you guys are going to look back at this post and smile. :D

Almost 3/4 of the season gone. What's there to smile about? :) 

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This is from a reddit post on the Spurs Reddit

 

 

Actually, in all likelihood, rest will not help Kawhi's injury at all.

I’m not a doctor but played a lot of ball and have had quadricep tendinopathy.

Someone is “able” to play through quad tendinopathy but it is uncomfortable and seriously aggravates the tendons. Usually, when tendinopathy occurs, it's because rest wasn't taken initially and the injury has turned into something akin to chronic inflammation (but inflammation isn't actually present on the cellular level).

I learned, after the fact, that in playing through my tendinopathy, I turned a small injury that could have been treated with two weeks of rest, into an injury that required two years of rehabilitation and treatment. Even with treatment, I was unable to squat down to tie my shoes for the better part of three years.

Essentially, it’s an overuse issue in which the athlete has had many micro-traumas to the tendon, and as such, their body begins to dump type-3 collagen (weak scar tissue) in unorganized bundles atop the injury sites. Our tendons are made of well-organized bundles of type-1 collagen, so this is problematic. Imagine cutting a bunch of incisions into a piece of paper and then handing that piece of paper to a child and asking them to use that tacky white school glue to patch the holes — that’s sort of what’s happening within the body during tendonopathy.

As rest alone will not heal this issue, to combat the body’s response, most physiotherapy consists of eccentric loading (lowering weights very slowly) and not performing the isometric contraction (lifting the weights up). For patellar tendinopathy this would be something like wall-sitting and holding your weight on your injured leg, and then standing up from the wall-sit with your healthy leg. This more-or-less teaches or shows the body to once again deposit the collagen in tight and straight bundles.

This is problematic because the athlete needs to load to that perfect balance where they are achieving the necessary resistance/load to incur healing, but not so much resistance/load that they’re aggravating the injury. As such, the healing really feels like 2 steps forward one back. It’s a delicate affair.

Eventually, the athlete has to slowly re-introduce jumping, running, and other explosive movements in increments so as to not completely ruin their tireless rehab efforts. It’s difficult and frustrating for the average athlete, and likely even more so for a highly motivated athlete like Kawhi.

So, while he may be feeling minimal pain and have full functional movement at this point in his recovery, physiotherapists and doctors need to be very very careful not to rush him back. He'll also need to correct his biomechanics that caused the issue in the first place to ensure that he’s not re-aggravating his injury again, as once it becomes chronic, it could plague him for the rest of his career.

So, yeah, it’s really a touch-and-go scenario that is more of an active recovery than you may believe. But with the trainers and professionals he has access to, he’ll likely clear it up and never have to deal with it again. In my opinion, it's wise of him to sit and avoid aggravating the issue.

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On 2/22/2018 at 10:38 AM, Purple Hippo said:

Worst first round pick in fantasy basketball history?  Hard to argue against it.

 

Yeah, I can't really think of anyone who has been a bigger fantasy bust in basketball than Kawhi this year.

 

If we're talking about any sport though, it would simply be impossible for anyone to ever be a bigger fantasy bust than David Johnson in football this year.  Pretty unanimous #1 overall pick and played only one half of one game this year.  (Kawhi by comparison had an ADP of 8.)

 

 

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57 minutes ago, FootballFan101 said:

 

Yeah, I can't really think of anyone who has been a bigger fantasy bust in basketball than Kawhi this year.

 

If we're talking about any sport though, it would simply be impossible for anyone to ever be a bigger fantasy bust than David Johnson in football this year.  Pretty unanimous #1 overall pick and played only one half of one game this year.  (Kawhi by comparison had an ADP of 8.)

 

 

 

Going to mention this again...Andrew Bynum was going in the 1st round in a lot of leagues going into the 2012-2013 season and he literally didn’t play a game,

so that definitely trumps Kawhi this year.

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3 hours ago, jmoney23 said:

 

Going to mention this again...Andrew Bynum was going in the 1st round in a lot of leagues going into the 2012-2013 season and he literally didn’t play a game,

so that definitely trumps Kawhi this year.

 

Good catch remembering him.  Bynum was more of an early 2nd round pick on average that year though.  Bynum might trump Kawhi since Kahwi did play 9 games (pretty darn good games fantasy-wise honestly), but it doesn't come close to David Johnson in football this year.

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5 hours ago, jmoney23 said:

 

Going to mention this again...Andrew Bynum was going in the 1st round in a lot of leagues going into the 2012-2013 season and he literally didn’t play a game,

so that definitely trumps Kawhi this year.

Well, being injured/out of season is one thing. Like, DMC/Hayward (not that they were first round) got injured but at least you could drop them and move on. Kawhi cost us a roster spot all year because of his neverending injury saga. Spurs are horrible when it comes to transparency. I think this is worse than a season-ending injury.

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2 hours ago, FootballFan101 said:

 

Good catch remembering him.  Bynum was more of an early 2nd round pick on average that year though.  Bynum might trump Kawhi since Kahwi did play 9 games (pretty darn good games fantasy-wise honestly), but it doesn't come close to David Johnson in football this year.

 

He only had a positive z score on BBM for 5 of the 9 games. So he provided value for approximately 6 percent of the season while being a complete deadweight on your roster for the rest of the year. I’d rather a player have a season ending injury so you can at least replace that roster spot with some modicum of production.

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33 minutes ago, rush007 said:

Well, being injured/out of season is one thing. Like, DMC/Hayward (not that they were first round) got injured but at least you could drop them and move on. Kawhi cost us a roster spot all year because of his neverending injury saga. Spurs are horrible when it comes to transparency. I think this is worse than a season-ending injury.

 

Yup, this is why I NEVER draft Spurs unless they drop way way below their ADP.  The random resting, no news, etc is not worth the headache to me. I'd take slightly lower production with full transparency any day.

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Well it's transparent now. With the Spurs and Pop throwing Kawhi under the bus, a trade is imminent or he's walking in free agency. It sucks to be a Spurs fan right about now. 

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What could the Spurs have done differently? They said all season long they had no idea when Kawhi’s leg would get better and that he was out indefinitely. Not much they can do when Kawhi says he doesn’t feel right and refuses to play. 

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1 minute ago, Purple Hippo said:

What could the Spurs have done differently? They said all season long they had no idea when Kawhi’s leg would get better and that he was out indefinitely. Not much they can do when Kawhi says he doesn’t feel right and refuses to play. 

Do what the Sixers do. Protect their players at all cost. Look at the Fultz situation. That is even more bizarre than the Kawhi situation. Never a good sign when dirty laundry are exposed and a fight goes public.

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3 hours ago, Purple Hippo said:

 

He only had a positive z score on BBM for 5 of the 9 games. So he provided value for approximately 6 percent of the season while being a complete deadweight on your roster for the rest of the year. I’d rather a player have a season ending injury so you can at least replace that roster spot with some modicum of production.

 

Except David Johnson's initial timetable was 8-to-12 weeks, so he was supposed to return by November and he was held in almost all leagues for a long time, just like Kawhi was.

 

A lot of leagues do have IR spots at least.

 

 

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4 hours ago, mackdonald said:

He got dropped in my 14er. I wonder if it’s even worth picking him up. 

 

If you don't have an IR spot free, I wouldn't.  Kawhi would likely just be a waste of a roster spot.  I think less than 5% chance he plays again this season, and even if he does return in April, he's going to be on a very strict minute regulation (probably 15 or 20 mins at most) meaning he's not going to help you very much.

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Clearly the biggest bust of the fantasy season. 9 games of second round production plus 52 of replacement level on the season. A tough roster slot for anyone who drafted him, even if he snuck into to the second round.

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