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1 hour ago, TrueToTheBlue said:

Who would you say is the better add right now between Soria and Jones for CWS?

 

 

People talk about Jones like he's the closer of the future, he's 32 years old, Soria is 33.  They are paying Soria $9M this year, with a $10M option, $1M buyout next year. Jones is on the final year of a 3 year/$8M total deal and has team options after that.  Which one do you think this team wants most to trade at the deadline?  They may end up with the same number of saves at the end of the year, but if he doesn't suck, I would expect Soria to get the majority between now and July.

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Regarding Soria and others:

 

In my heart of hearts, I really think this idea of manipulating a reliever to "bump up" their trade value through the arbitrary stat of saves is dying. Or at least dwindling. I believe these young GMs are wising up. What's still behind the times is the arbitration negotiations.

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White Sox: does it really make a difference whether Soria or Jones are the closer in terms of boosting their trade value for the Sox? I doubt either of them would be traded to another team to close so I don't know who it matters would get the saves. if Jones is the closer and Soria is great in the set up IMO Soria would still have the same trade value.

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3 hours ago, Palmetto08 said:

Does AJ Minter have a shot at closing to open the season or is it Vizcaino?  Thoughts on if or when Minter takes over?

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If Vizcaino continues to pitch well, it's highly possible that Minter doesn't close at all this year. If he pitches like he did in 2015 and 2017, I'd be a little surprised if Minter displaces him. If Vizcaino pitches like he did in 2016...well, then it'll be sooner than later. I wouldn't just assume that Minter becomes the Braves closer in 2018. 

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What are your guys' opinion on Melancon?  My gut tells me he's done ability wise but he could smoke and mirrors his way to a decent saves total by the end of the year if his arm holds up.  This is the kind of guy Bochy will cling to until the bitter end.

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• Jeurys Familia is the Mets' nominal closer, but AJ Ramos, Jerry Blevins and Anthony Swarzak could also receive save chances as the Mets look to find ideal matchups for their relievers.

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6 minutes ago, Bill Blazejowski said:

What are your guys' opinion on Melancon?  My gut tells me he's done ability wise but he could smoke and mirrors his way to a decent saves total by the end of the year if his arm holds up.  This is the kind of guy Bochy will cling to until the bitter end.

 

He slipped in all my drafts. It seems like everyone is doubting him. He could be a steal if he stays healthy and last year was an aberration but I have a feeling he's not gonna hold up

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29 minutes ago, fletch44 said:

 

He slipped in all my drafts. It seems like everyone is doubting him. He could be a steal if he stays healthy and last year was an aberration but I have a feeling he's not gonna hold up

He was on my non official do not draft list but when the 19th/20th round looms near, Melancon looks pretty good at the spot.  Personally, I think I'm going to sit him for the first couple of weeks and see how he looks.  He faces the Dodgers twice in a week and a half stretch and it wouldn't surprise me if he got lit up.  Not that the Giants are going to have any save opps during that period anyway.

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I don't have much confidence in Melancon to stay healthy, Dyson is one of the spec handcuffs I'll consider. I also believe there is close to no chance that Morrow stays healthy for a full season. If Cishek wasn't complicating the situation I would already be rostering Carl Edwards Jr (I'm not in a holds league) for some stat padding and a high upside potential saves source. Am also considering Reed as a spec handcuff b/c Rodney gonna Rodney. Ramos might be the one I actually go grab very soon with Familia's problems but sounds like a committee. If anyone is more knowledgeable about the Mets situation let me know. 

 

 Hopefully I won't need any of these guys and Archie Bradley just gets the damn gig. My biggest draft regretwas taking him in the 17th without handcuffing Boxberger. I thought the job was essentially his. But how is Boxberger going to be relied on for being able to pitch consecutive days with his injury history and soreness problems just as recent as this month? That's like one of the biggest conditions for a closer, need to be able to pitch back to back days. Any news on the AZ front? Not overly confident that Bradley just gets it, but he is the guy establishing himself as a leader of the bullpen. 

 

Who we like best for most likely to end up getting saves?

Reed, Ramos, Dyson, or CJ's?

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What's everyone's opinion of O'Day? Will he get some Save chances in the early going?

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14 minutes ago, lavaman said:

What's everyone's opinion of O'Day? Will he get some Save chances in the early going?

 

FWIW, Showalter said the exact same thing when Britton went down last year.

 

"Showalter said he planned to use setup man Brad Brach on Saturday if the Orioles had a save opportunity, but the manager will fill Britton's closer role on a situational basis. Mychal Givens and Darren O'Day also are options to close games.

"We have good options and we'll kind of play it accordingly," Showalter told reporters."

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/19170882/baltimore-orioles-closer-zach-britton-dl-sore-forearm

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45 minutes ago, lavaman said:

What's everyone's opinion of O'Day? Will he get some Save chances in the early going?

 

he'll get chances on Brach's rest days. In other words, he's just a vulture watch type for daily IMO.

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7 hours ago, TopChuckie said:

 

People talk about Jones like he's the closer of the future, he's 32 years old, Soria is 33.  They are paying Soria $9M this year, with a $10M option, $1M buyout next year. Jones is on the final year of a 3 year/$8M total deal and has team options after that.  Which one do you think this team wants most to trade at the deadline?  They may end up with the same number of saves at the end of the year, but if he doesn't suck, I would expect Soria to get the majority between now and July.

 

It's hard to know everything about everyone, but I had no idea he was 32.  Seems like he should be 26-27.  

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15 minutes ago, kidtwentytwo said:

 

It's hard to know everything about everyone, but I had no idea he was 32.  Seems like he should be 26-27.  

 

Yeah, that was my point.  I'm quite sure you weren't alone in that misconception, because I had the same one until I got Soria for $2 at the end of a mixed league draft a couple weeks ago and looked deeper into the White Sox situation.

 

Also, with regard to increasing a player's trade value by closing, it's not so much that GM's are more impressed by the saves, though I do think it helps to know the guy is getting the job done in pressure situations, I think it's more about the visibility of the closer role and the anonymity of the setup role, out of sight, out of mind sort of thing.  Everyone is aware if a closer is doing well or not, but there are always middle relievers who have excellent, under-the-radar seasons.

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On 3/25/2018 at 2:27 PM, jimbo504 said:

What's the status of the Angels' situation? Bedrosian? Parker?

 

With the Sciosciapath "managing" the pen, there's zero clarity. The smart money is on no true closer being named the entire season. If it's like last year, the pitcher who seems to be pitching best will be brought in for the 6th inning. I would not be at all surprised if it's a committee of four that includes both Middleton and Jim Johnson.  He's that crazy.  Then again, maybe crazy is the only way that decimated staff won 80 games in 2017.

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It was Parker in the 9th last night. Gave up a HR, walk to go with 2 Ks.

It may or may be him but I can assure you (from experience last year) that following this Angels closer situation's gonna give you the biggest headache.

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53 minutes ago, fingy said:

It was Parker in the 9th last night. Gave up a HR, walk to go with 2 Ks.

It may or may be him but I can assure you (from experience last year) that following this Angels closer situation's gonna give you the biggest headache.

 

Reports are saying that Parker starts the season with the job. 

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I agree with those above that melancon isn't a great bet to hold up all year.   I'm very skeptical of guys coming off flexor mass strains though. 

 

Is Dyson really the cuff?

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1 minute ago, 96mnc said:

 

Reports are saying that Parker starts the season with the job. 

Yea I think that was based on Parker pitching the ninth tonight. And he gave up a HR. 

 

Sucks but but you have to stash both. And Johnson. Or Maybe Key. Sigh

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4 hours ago, Fuzzy_Slippers said:

 

Last night saw Bradley pitch the 7th, Boxberger the 8th, and Hirano the 9th.  I've kept my mouth shut on Hirano the last few days while I waited for guys to be DL'd so I could grab Hirano for my squads before posting this.  I honestly think he's going to get the gig - based on my reading of the tea leaves, but that's what we're all doing.

 

We just saw the Angels use Parker in the 9th last night, followed by smoke that he's going to start the year as the closer.  Well, Hirano pitched the 9th last night for Arizona, facing the minimum.  A few days ago he struck out the side, followed by Lovullo saying, "It was a great inning ... a great inning."  Fox Sports Arizona described Lovullo as "impressed."

 

This is the team that ran Fernando Rodney out last year despite the presence of Bradley on the roster.  Lovullo realized the value of Bradley in the fireman's role, and there have been comments this spring sprinkled about that both the team and Bradley prefer to leave him in that role.  As for Boxberger vs. Hirano, it's just a gut feeling, and I could be wrong, but Hirano saved 31, 40, 12, 31, and 29 games over the last 5 years in Japan.  He's closed spring strong.  Say it with me now: Managers are cowards.  They still believe in experience in the role, which Boxberger has as well, but not since 2015.  It's a bonus that Hirano's the cheapest as well.  I'm not sure I have a ton of faith in him, but you can't be choosy chasing saves.

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18 hours ago, Flyman75 said:

 

If Vizcaino continues to pitch well, it's highly possible that Minter doesn't close at all this year. If he pitches like he did in 2015 and 2017, I'd be a little surprised if Minter displaces him. If Vizcaino pitches like he did in 2016...well, then it'll be sooner than later. I wouldn't just assume that Minter becomes the Braves closer in 2018. 

 

Thanks for your reply.  Always enjoy reading your posts

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pitcherlist.com has an update on top 30 closers.

 

http://www.pitcherlist.com/closing-time-3-27-the-top-30-closers-for-2018/

 

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1 Kenley Jansen 1 Pedro Baez
2 Craig Kimbrel 2 Matt Barnes
3 Aroldis Chapman 3 David Robertson
4 +1 Roberto Osuna 5 Ryan Tepera
5 -1 Ken Giles 4 Joe Smith
6 Corey Knebel 6 Josh Hader
7 Felipe Rivero 7 Michael Feliz
8 +1 Cody Allen 9 Andrew Miller
9 -1 Edwin Diaz 8 Juan Nicasio
10 Sean Doolittle 10 Ryan Madson
11 Brad Hand 11 Kirby Yates
12 Raisel Iglesias 12 David Hernandez
13 +1 Wade Davis 14 Jake McGee
14 -1 Hector Neris 13 Pat Neshek
15 Mark Melancon 15 Sam Dyson
16 Brandon Morrow 16 Carl Edwards Jr.
17 +1 Jeurys Familia 18 A.J. Ramos
18 UR Dominic Leone UR Tyler Lyons
19 Blake Treinen 19 Emilio Pagan
20 Alex Colome 20 Sergio Romo
21 Arodys Vizcaino 21 A.J. Minter
22 Kelvin Herrera 22 Brandon Maurer
23 Fernando Rodney 23 Addison Reed
24 +4 Brad Brach 28 Mychal Givens
25 +4 Shane Greene 29 Joe Jimenez
26 +4 Brad Ziegler 30 Drew Steckenrider
27 -7 Blake Parker UR Cam Bedrosian
28 -2 Brad Boxberger 26 Archie Bradley
29 -2 Keone Kela 27 Alex Claudio
30 UR Nate Jones UR Joakim Soria

 

With Spring Training winding down and opening day just 2 days away, we will be here every week updating our relief pitcher rankings, starting with closers on Tuesdays.

There haven’t been too many changes since the initial February release, but there are some new names to the closer market which led to a few movers around the list.

  • No changes in the top 3, with that grouping separating from the rest of the pack in my mind. I’m expecting a big bounce-back season from Aroldis Chapman. After a shaky spring debut, he has been dominant in his last 4 appearances and should build off his September turn around.
  • While both Roberto Osuna and Ken Giles were good this spring, and have as much upside as anyone else from spots 4-30, but I’m leaning more towards Osuna being the safer option after AJ Hinch suggested he wouldn’t shy away from using Giles in some non-save, high leverage situations if they were to arise. I think that may just be coach speak and don’t see it playing out, but it’s still something to remember.
  • Cody Allen deserved a bump up, as I was admittedly sleeping on him a little in my earlier ranks. He is probably the safest bet in this second tier, which runs from Osuna (4) to Edwin Diaz (9).
  • Similar to the Giles situation, I moved Hector Neris down a spot not because I’m all of a sudden down on him, but because Gabe Kapler hasn’t exactly sounded too committed to using him as the team’s strict 9th inning guy. He’s still one of my favorite mid-late round targets and has a safe spot in tier 3, which goes from Sean Doolittle (10) to Brandon Morrow (16).
  • I’ve liked Dominic Leone a lot for some time now, and while I had a feeling he’d get save chances this year, I was not expecting them to come this early in the season. With Luke Gregerson on the DL for an uncertain amount of time, Leone should see the bulk of the save opportunities for the Cardinals to begin the year and I think there is a high probability he hangs on to the job. Tyler Lyons may get some chances, but it looks like it’s still going to be Leone’s job to lose. Tier 4 runs from Jeurys Familia (17) to Arodys Vizcaino (21).
  • Brad Brach, Shane Greene, and Brad Ziegler all get a nice 4 spot bump in the ranks, strictly because they have secured their respective jobs for the start of the season. They are less than ideal RP candidates but should be able to help you out in the save category if you are desperate.  Consider Tier 5 Kelvin Herrera (22) to Ziegler (26).
  • Tier 6 represents the 4 teams that refuse to name a closer or have named co-closers (that’s still a thing?). Blake Parker (he has the job again…?) and Keone Kela have some nice upside with their strikeout ability, but it’s become impossible to trust anything Mike Scioscia says, even when he does name someone to the role, and the only thing we really know in Texas is that Alex Claudio probably won’t be used in the 9th inning. Brad Boxberger may (probably?) get the first chance at saves in Arizona, as the team likely prefers Archie Bradley in that “fireman” role. If Fernando Rodney could provide solid value last year, I don’t see why Boxberger can’t, especially given the fact he is basically a free add right now in most leagues. Nate Jones and Joakim Soria are co-closing for a team projected to win 68 games. If you need to choose one, I’d go with Jones.

 

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8 minutes ago, SpecialFNK said:

pitcherlist.com has an update on top 30 closers.

 

http://www.pitcherlist.com/closing-time-3-27-the-top-30-closers-for-2018/

 

 

 

Brad Brach ... all get a nice 4 spot bump in the ranks, strictly because they have secured their respective jobs for the start of the season.

 

When did that happen?
For all I know is:
"Orioles manager Buck Showalter told reporters on Friday that both Brad Brach and Darren O'Day will both get closing opportunities. "
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/6814/brad-brach

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