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2018 Rookie WR Class

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14 minutes ago, Wild Thing said:

 

Not to completely hijack the thread but for me it’s guice or Michel depending on landing spot. And to bring it back to the WRs, this year I would not draft a WR until John Kelly and Mark Walton are off the board. That’s just me though.

 

I completely agree... since James Washington is built like a RB. IMO Washington is the only top 16 dynasty pick WR-wise in this draft. I think this class ends up being deep in flex WRs. This is a great year for me in my RSO league. Lot's of opportunities for cheap contributors, just not at WR.

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9 minutes ago, thebrowns said:

 

I completely agree... since James Washington is built like a RB. IMO Washington is the only top 16 dynasty pick WR-wise in this draft. I think this class ends up being deep in flex WRs. This is a great year for me in my RSO league. Lot's of opportunities for cheap contributors, just not at WR.

D.J. Moore should be a 1st round pick.  Definitely over Washington.

 

I don't quite understand the love for Washington, he's supposed to be a deep threat and he ran a 4.54

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11 minutes ago, RMJ_12 said:

D.J. Moore should be a 1st round pick.  Definitely over Washington.

 

I don't quite understand the love for Washington, he's supposed to be a deep threat and he ran a 4.54

 

I love Moore. I just prefer guys like Washington and Gallup who have film skills that back up their production. The combine is one of my favorite parts of the year because it helps me see where I will get value. I think that Washington could be available outside of the first round in most dynasty drafts which makes him a value pick.

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I'll save my opinion for rookie 2018 WR's when they become 2019 sophmores.  So rare to see a rookie wr become a fantasy stud.

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1 hour ago, dashoe said:

I'll save my opinion for rookie 2018 WR's when they become 2019 sophmores.  So rare to see a rookie wr become a fantasy stud.

First off, no one needs to draft a rookie wr high enough where would would expect/need "stud" production.  Secondly, by sitting on the sidelines, you would've missed out on: Hilton, Jones, Green, OBJ, Evans, Cooper, Thomas... ...

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2 hours ago, RMJ_12 said:

D.J. Moore should be a 1st round pick.  Definitely over Washington.

 

I don't quite understand the love for Washington, he's supposed to be a deep threat and he ran a 4.54

Faster than Jerry

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8 minutes ago, psygolf said:

First off, no one needs to draft a rookie wr high enough where would would expect/need "stud" production.  Secondly, by sitting on the sidelines, you would've missed out on: Hilton, Jones, Green, OBJ, Evans, Cooper, Thomas... ...

Keenan Allen, Kelvin Benjamin, Tyreek Hill, Brandin Cooks, Jarvis Landry, Sammy Watkins

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Download and sort kiddos.

 

NFL Draft grade is on the left.  Combine results are on the right.

 

I like to screen by vertical and height first. This shows who will win jump ball TDs: 6'-3" with a 40" vertical his really really high.

NFL grade tell us whether he is good enough to be on the field:  5.7 is a starter, 6.5 is opening day pro-bowl caliber.

40 time tells us if he will be going deep between the 20s for long TDs.

 

Chark, Moore, and Moore are solid picks for standard dynasty and redraft.

Ridley will be a high volume slot receiver with little TD upside.  Great for PPR.

Everyone else depends on their situation post draft.

 

This always puts guys like ODB, Sterling Shepard, Martavis Bryant, Davante Adams, etc...at the top of my list.

Give Chark, Moore, and More 1-3 years to produce.  Go for the value ADPs.

 

 

NFL.com Grade Player School Height Weight Arm Hand 40 Yard Vertical Broad Bench
5.7 CHARK, D.J. Louisiana State 6-3 199 32.375 9.25 4.34 40″ 10’9″ 16
5.7 MOORE, D.J.* Maryland 6-0 210 31.625 9 4.42 39.5″ 11′ 15
5.3 LAZARD, ALLEN Iowa State 6-5 225 32.25 9.75 4.55 38″ 10’2″ 17
5.6 MOORE, J'MON Missouri 6-3 207 32.875 9.375 4.6 38″ 10’0″ 21
5.3 WEAH, JESTER Pittsburgh 6-2 210 31.125 9.625 4.43 38″ 10’9″ 15
5.5 CALLAWAY, ANTONIO* Florida 5-11 200 31.5 9.5 4.41 38.5″ 10’1″  
4.9 CANTRELL, DYLAN Texas Tech 6-3 226 31.375 9.25 4.59 38.5″ 10’10” 18
5.4 WILSON, CEDRICK Boise State 6-2 188 31.5 9.75 4.55 37″ 10’1″ 9
5.5 SMITH, TRE'QUAN Central Florida 6-2 210 33.375 9.5 4.49 37.5″ 10’10” 16
5.4 CARRINGTON II, DARREN Utah 6-2 199 32.75 10.375   36″ 10’0″  
5.7 GALLUP, MICHAEL Colorado State 6-1 205 31.5 9.25 4.51 36″ 10’2″ 10
5.2 JAMES, RICHIE Mid. Tennessee St. 5-10 178 31.25 9.25 4.48 35.5″ 10’2″ 6
5.8 KIRK, CHRISTIAN Texas A&M 5-10 201 30.375 9.875 4.47 35.5″ 9’7″ 20
5.8 SUTTON, COURTLAND Southern Methodist 6-3 218 32.375 9.75 4.54 35.5″ 10’4″ 20
5.5 ATEMAN, MARCELL Oklahoma State 6-4 216 32.875 9 4.62 34″ 10’1″ 13
4.9 ROBERTSON, KOREY Southern Mississippi 6-1 212 32.875 9.125 4.56 34″ 10’3″ 15
5.3 WIENEKE, JAKE South Dakota State 6-4 221 33 9.875 4.67 34″ 9’6″ 9
5.7 COUTEE, KEKE* Texas Tech 5-10 181 29.875 8.375 4.43 34.5″ 9’5″ 14
5.2 GRAYSON, DAVON East Carolina 6-1 187 31.375 9.375 4.51 34.5″ 10’4″ 19
5.5 HAMILTON, DAESEAN Penn State 6-1 203 31 9.375   34.5″ 9’10”  
5.8 LASLEY, JORDAN UCLA 6-1 203 32.75 9.625 4.5 34.5″ 9’4″ 8
4.8 MCCLOUD, RAY-RAY* Clemson 5-10 190 30.25 9.25 4.53 34.5″ 9’5″ 13
5.3 SCOTT, JALEEL New Mexico State 6-5 218 33.5 10 4.56 34.5″ 10’4″ 13
5.7 WASHINGTON, JAMES Oklahoma State 5-11 213 32.375 9.75 4.54 34.5″ 10’0″ 14
5.9 CAIN, DEON* Clemson 6-2 202 33 8.75 4.43 33.5″ 9’7″ 11
4.9 LACY, CHRIS Oklahoma State 6-3 205 31.25 9.75 4.51 33.5″ 10’0″ 11
5.2 PRINGLE, BYRON* Kansas State 6-1 205 32 9.25 4.46 33.5″ 10’0″  
5.1 QUINN, TREY* Southern Methodist 5-11 203 30.75 10.125 4.55 33.5″ 9’8″ 15
5.1 WHITE, KA'RAUN West Virginia 6-1 199 32.25 9.625 4.52 33.5″ 9’10” 24
5.3 WIMS, JAVON Georgia 6-3 215 31.5 9.25 4.53 33.5″ 9’5″  
5.4 HENDERSON, QUADREE Pittsburgh 5-8 190 29.5 9.875 4.5 32.5″ 10’0″ 12
5.2 MITCHELL, STEVEN Southern Cal 5-10 189 30.375 9.375 4.56 32.5″ 10’1″ 13
5.1 FOSTER, ROBERT Alabama 6-2 196 32.125 9.25 4.41 31″ 9’8″  
6.8 RIDLEY, CALVIN* Alabama 6-0 189 31.625 9.125 4.43 31″ 9’2″ 17
5.4 TATE, AUDEN* Florida State 6-5 228 33.75 9.375 4.68 31″ 9’4″ 18
5.1 MARTIN, TAVARES* Washington State 6-1 185 32.125 9.125 4.8 31.5″    
5.3 COBBS, SIMMIE Indiana 6-3 220 32 9.25 4.64 30″ 9’5″ 11
5.2 VALDES-SCANTLING, MARQUEZ South Florida 6-4 206 32.25 10 4.37 30.5″ 10’4″ 15
4.8 BADET, JEFF                  
5.3 BERRIOS, BRAXTON Miami (FL) 5-9 184 28 9.25       11
4.9 BOBO, BRYCE                  
4.9 BOYD, DEVONTE                  
5.4 BURNETT, DEONTAY* Southern Cal 6-0 186 31.5 8.625        
4.8 CIBASU, REGIS                  
5.6 MILLER, ANTHONY Memphis 5-11 201 31.625 10       22
5.8 PETTIS , DANTE Washington 6-0 186 32.25 9.5        
5 PHILLIPS, CAM Virginia Tech 6-0 195 30.5 8.875        
5.5 ST. BROWN, EQUANIMEOUS* Notre Dame 6-5 214 33 9.75 4.48     12
4.9 WATSON, JUSTIN                  

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1 hour ago, dashoe said:

I'll save my opinion for rookie 2018 WR's when they become 2019 sophmores.  So rare to see a rookie wr become a fantasy stud.

You're going to save your opinion until after you see how good they are?  I guess you'll never be wrong that way.

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9 minutes ago, RMJ_12 said:

Keenan Allen, Kelvin Benjamin, Tyreek Hill, Brandin Cooks, Jarvis Landry, Sammy Watkins

One needs to analyze their situation also...or just continue to read the Monday newspaper.  If it works for you, dash...don't change for us.

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4 minutes ago, RMJ_12 said:

Keenan Allen, Kelvin Benjamin, Tyreek Hill, Brandin Cooks, Jarvis Landry, Sammy Watkins

 

All those guys are also gone by the 8th round.

 

That's when you need to know which rookies have value ADP.

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1 hour ago, jmausen said:

 

All those guys are also gone by the 8th round.

 

That's when you need to know which rookies have value ADP.

Pretty sure some of them were waiver pickups in their rookie season.

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15 minutes ago, RMJ_12 said:

Pretty sure some of them were waiver pickups in their rookie season.

 

Every NFL team starts 1 QB, 1 RB, 2-3 WRs, and 0-2 receiving TEs. People good at math draft 4 RBs in the first 6 rounds and always make the playoffs. 

 

You are 1000% right. Easiest position to fill is WR. Issac Newton and Albert Einstein would both agree.

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2 hours ago, psygolf said:

First off, no one needs to draft a rookie wr high enough where would would expect/need "stud" production.  Secondly, by sitting on the sidelines, you would've missed out on: Hilton, Jones, Green, OBJ, Evans, Cooper, Thomas... ...

 

You know you are naming exceptions and not the norms and even then alot of their rookie production was inconsistent?  

 

Like I said I'll talk about the 2018 rookie wr's  when they are 2019 starters :lol:

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2 hours ago, RMJ_12 said:

You're going to save your opinion until after you see how good they are?  I guess you'll never be wrong that way.

 

Exactly! Rookie wr's are the most fickle position outcome to predict next to TE, wr in general is fickle but rookies in particular.   Alot of trust and rapport has to be built with the Vet QB he doesnt have many reps with and knowing where to be on the field in specific situations and play calling and gaining confidence of the coaching staff, So many moving parts for wr's who don't simply run go routes have to learn.

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Just now, dashoe said:

 

Exactly! Rookie wr's are the most fickle position outcome to predict next to TE, wr in general is fickle but rookies in particular.   Alot of trust and rapport has to be built with the Vet QB he doesnt have many reps with and knowing where to be on the field in specific situations and play calling and gaining confidence of the coaching staff, So many moving parts for wr's who don't simply run go routes have to learn.

 

Did you read my list?

 

Guess who picked up ODB two weeks before he returned from his hammy injury his rookie year and rode him to the bank?  This guy.  

 

Only surprise disappointing combine with a high draft grade: AJ Green. Slow and can't jump. Can't measure his three arms and one hand catches.

 

Last year's class was all NFL over drafted bums. I called it. Look it up.

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12 minutes ago, jmausen said:

 

Did you read my list?

 

Guess who picked up ODB two weeks before he returned from his hammy injury his rookie year and rode him to the bank?  This guy.  

 

Only surprise disappointing combine with a high draft grade: AJ Green. Slow and can't jump. Can't measure his three arms and one hand catches.

 

Last year's class was all NFL over drafted bums. I called it. Look it up.

Guess who traded Green & Jones for Marshall before their rookie year started...?

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53 minutes ago, psygolf said:

 

Guess who traded Green & Jones for Marshall before their rookie year started...?

 

We're older and wiser now.

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14 minutes ago, jmausen said:

 

We're older and wiser now.

There were cries of veto because I was getting the proven vet.

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12 hours ago, psygolf said:

Faster than Jerry

 

I was just gonna say that. Some guys have track speed, some guys have game speed.

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25 minutes ago, petekrum said:

 

I was just gonna say that. Some guys have track speed, some guys have game speed.

Washington definitely looks like he still times a 4.5 in full pads.

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https://www.foxsports.com/watch/undisputed/video/1190436419706

(Christian Kirk interview)

 

Skip Bayless managed not to be Skip Bayless for almost 6 minutes.  

 

I still love Kirk.  Still my irrational fanboy, "[Christian Kirk] no matter what" Kevin Costner prospect.  But I also love DJ Moore this year.  Not quite as much because I don't have a sense of the guy off the field, but on field I think he's the kind of guy that's going to come in and succeed (long-term) as a non-tall WR. 

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On 3/6/2018 at 2:29 PM, RMJ_12 said:

"... I don't quite understand the love for Washington, he's supposed to be a deep threat and he ran a 4.54."

 

You want to watch him, it's as others say, the guy is a gamer. There's this at draft tracker:
 

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"Awkward early steps into route develop into powerful, driving strides eight yards in. Surprises [CBs] with build up speed and consistently gets by them."  http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/james-washington?id=2559927 

 

I looked for that and vs press he'll ease into his route and when the DB opens his hips or looks to sit thinking something short is happening, that's when Washington sinks and will get underneath the defender & even burrow past him. He shifts gears and catches them with his burst & long speed. Can definitely elevate & plucks the ball out of the air, excellent catch radius & use of his hands to secure space. As already noted, he has the look & physicality of a ball carrier, with the slip and short area elusiveness to go with it. Even with all that production, no surprise he's proven durable.     

 

At draft tracker it suggests he lined up pretty much all over the formation, but in the 5 or 6 games I watched he was almost exclusively in the z-slot. Perhaps, but I don't believe he's going to be a legit primary in the pros. Has skills and those intangibles, but no exceptional trait. Didn't work the whole tree, something vertical along the boundary, post route & a deep in or cross out of a basic spread. There were exceptions but that's largely how they used him. Rudolph has some ability to extent plays & Washington wasn't the guy he'd look for more often when things broke down. Again, can track & elevate, but too often he doesn't get turned around to locate the ball in a timely manner. Passive when he needs to elevate & a DB is right there contesting the reception. Elevates, but doesn't command the space over the DB, attempts to reach over him instead. 

 

His situation was very favorable, no doubt, but he's going to go high, 1st-2nd round.


 

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