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Demarcus Cousins 2018-2019 Season Outlook

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3 hours ago, jaysfansince2015 said:

i'm expecting 25/15 with stocks most nights 

 

god bless your children-to-be's.

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16 hours ago, ROTY said:

Prepare to be surprised then

i would like to be surprised, i never wish an injury to a player. but based on the injury, his position/play, the history of achilles injuries to big men, and his min restriction, considering gs doesn't really need him as a go-to scorer to make the playoffs, i think 10pts/game would be tough.

edit: not my redditt post.

 

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BBM has him at 14, 8 and 3 with a triple 1 on 45% and 75%.

 

Doesn't seem too outrageous to me.

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1 hour ago, st1010 said:

i would like to be surprised, i never wish an injury to a player. but based on the injury, his position/play, the history of achilles injuries to big men, and his min restriction, considering gs doesn't really need him as a go-to scorer to make the playoffs, i think 10pts/game would be tough.

edit: not my redditt post.

 

 

All the players in the article you linked averaged more than 12ppg the first year after their achilles injury. And aside from nique and sabonis, cousins is by far the best offensive player in the group.

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19 hours ago, simon said:

 

All the players in the article you linked averaged more than 12ppg the first year after their achilles injury. And aside from nique and sabonis, cousins is by far the best offensive player in the group.

 

Also there shouldn't be a 30 game minimum here as it's more relevant in Cousins' case how effective they were right after their returns. e.g Elton Brand put up 16/8 in his returning season before declining more in the following season

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Biggest turning point of my season. Got him for 1 dollar just before the news broke. Made adjustments accordingly and traded in injured Miro for little bit of discount, stashed Elf Payton. Still managed to score couple of a miracle wins against top level opponents. And now Cousins coming back. If he is 90 percent of what he was before I will dismantle my opponents rest of the way. If he is 80% I'm the favorite. If he is below 75% come March it was all for nothing. 

 

I owned him for couple of years and it was so frustrating. Walked away last season and regretted it before the injury and now I'm back it again. Don't know if I can handle it really. He has burned me in so many ways before.

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18 minutes ago, JormaJormala said:

Biggest turning point of my season. Got him for 1 dollar just before the news broke. Made adjustments accordingly and traded in injured Miro for little bit of discount, stashed Elf Payton. Still managed to score couple of a miracle wins against top level opponents. And now Cousins coming back. If he is 90 percent of what he was before I will dismantle my opponents rest of the way. If he is 80% I'm the favorite. If he is below 75% come March it was all for nothing. 

 

I owned him for couple of years and it was so frustrating. Walked away last season and regretted it before the injury and now I'm back it again. Don't know if I can handle it really. He has burned me in so many ways before.

what does "the news" say? its pretty much unchanged isnt it?

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News about month ago. Said he was to come back soon after x-mas.

 

I think its been consistent after that. Only that Papi guy said he wasn't close at all.

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On 12/26/2018 at 10:08 PM, simon said:

 

All the players in the article you linked averaged more than 12ppg the first year after their achilles injury. And aside from nique and sabonis, cousins is by far the best offensive player in the group.

Will Cousins be asked to take on as large a scoring role as the guys on that list? GS wants him for the playoffs, they will ease him in IMO.

The NBA speed/pace of game is a lot harder than the D League or playing against a half-hearted teammate in a full tracksuit and hoodie.

Again, I am not rooting for him to fail, I want him to be great again. I feel so bad for him, as he was on the verge of a max contract and shedding the label of best player to never make the playoffs. Then all teams pass up on him except GS, who gives him a 5.3 mil contract.

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On 12/27/2018 at 5:39 PM, akund said:

 

Also there shouldn't be a 30 game minimum here as it's more relevant in Cousins' case how effective they were right after their returns. e.g Elton Brand put up 16/8 in his returning season before declining more in the following season

So you just disagree with me stating that he won't score a lot of pts as soon as he comes back, but you agree he will dramatically decline in the yrs after, like Brand?

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1 hour ago, st1010 said:

So you just disagree with me stating that he won't score a lot of pts as soon as he comes back, but you agree he will dramatically decline in the yrs after, like Brand?

 

Yeah because your stats on Brand are just straight up wrong lol. Brand got hurt BEFORE the 07/08 season. His 07/08 season where he put up 18/8 in 8 games was AFTER he came back from his Achilles injury (after 8 months recovery nonetheless).

 

Brand didn't drop off significantly in the season he returned from injury. It wasn't until the following season that his numbers dropped off the most. Not to mention that including Brand's stats in 2016 are completely irrelevant to the discussion of how Cousins will perform this year.

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49 minutes ago, akund said:

 

Yeah because your stats on Brand are just straight up wrong lol. Brand got hurt BEFORE the 07/08 season. His 07/08 season where he put up 18/8 in 8 games was AFTER he came back from his Achilles injury (after 8 months recovery nonetheless).

 

Brand didn't drop off significantly in the season he returned from injury. It wasn't until the following season that his numbers dropped off the most. Not to mention that including Brand's stats in 2016 are completely irrelevant to the discussion of how Cousins will perform this year.

You really need to calm down there. I said it wasn't my post, so if the #s are wrong, then they are, but they aren't 'mine'. i really can't be bothered to check at this point, i really don't want this thread to become a stupid back and forth like a ton of threads on here this yr.

Brand significantly declined, and the injury played a big part. Explosiveness is never regained to pre-injury levels. Brand is a 'big man', like cousins, so they are at least more comparable than other comparisons.

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1 minute ago, st1010 said:

You really need to calm down there. I said it wasn't my post, so if the #s are wrong, then they are, but they aren't 'mine'. i really can't be bothered to check at this point, i really don't want this thread to become a stupid back and forth like a ton of threads on here this yr.

Brand significantly declined, and the injury played a big part. Explosiveness is never regained to pre-injury levels. Brand is a 'big man', like cousins, so they are at least more comparable than other comparisons.

 

Haha my bad, definitely came across a little heated. I think the main post is very misleading from that perspective. Brand definitely declined, but it's difficult to tell how much of that was due to age versus the injury. As a non-dynasty owner, my only concerns are how Cousins will perform immediately after the injury, and Brand is an example of someone who was able to immediately come back and play well in comparison to his old self, though dropped off in the following years. I don't expect Cousins to be the same player as his pre-injury self, but he's definitely capable of 18/10+ this season

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3 hours ago, akund said:

 

Haha my bad, definitely came across a little heated. I think the main post is very misleading from that perspective. Brand definitely declined, but it's difficult to tell how much of that was due to age versus the injury. As a non-dynasty owner, my only concerns are how Cousins will perform immediately after the injury, and Brand is an example of someone who was able to immediately come back and play well in comparison to his old self, though dropped off in the following years. I don't expect Cousins to be the same player as his pre-injury self, but he's definitely capable of 18/10+ this season

no worries man.

A major part of why I don't think he will avg >10 is usage. Will he really be asked to shoulder a big scoring load with the firepower GS has? will he get >15-20min/game?

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I do see how with those stats it is encouraging if you just want immediate results. I just don't think GS will rely on him for much scoring...could get some sweet kick-out ast, but I really don't know.

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GS switches everything on defence.  Can Cousins do that?    That will be one of the factors that decide his playing time.   GS does not need help on offense

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5 hours ago, Gile Pile said:

GS switches everything on defence.  Can Cousins do that?    That will be one of the factors that decide his playing time.   GS does not need help on offense

When GSW were up against the Lakers, they had clearly a misadvantage on the glass. Lakres were guarding only the shooters (klay, steph, kd) so Kevon looney was open all the time. Kerr admited that playing without a classic center is a problem at times at both ends. Looney was incapable to score easy buckets and that encourage Lakers to keep ignoring him in order to double steph, klay and KD. If Cousins was in his place... that would be a nother case. My point being, they need him on their offense as much as they need him on defense.

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